2017 Australian Open SF: [4] S Wawrinka vs. [17] R Federer

Who wins?

  • Federer in 3

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • Federer in 4

    Votes: 67 41.4%
  • Federer in 5

    Votes: 20 12.3%
  • Wawrinka in 3

    Votes: 3 1.9%
  • Wawrinka in 4

    Votes: 39 24.1%
  • Wawrinka in 5

    Votes: 14 8.6%

  • Total voters
    162

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I imagine you as generally stern and a tad grumpy if Fed is stinking up the joint, maybe with some suspicious eye movement but generally a quite still face? I'm totally guessing here based on reading posts on a forum - lol! I'm quite different. ;)

You're almost right, I think. I shake a lot of Federer's errors (and sometimes there's a lot) off these days. Probably better than I used to. I usually laugh at them in an incredulous way if they're easy. Like "Hahaha Roger how did you miss that you absolute (this may be an expletive depending on my mood) noob." If he makes the right decision and it's a "good miss" I'll take it. Maybe others think I'm grumpy, but I think stern is an accurate word.

Suspicious eye movement is in there somewhere. And yes you are quite different. It's good to have you back.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
So what is this Injury Federer has now ??????????? does this mean he has NO chance and will be boring blowout final against RAFA ??

I'm no mind reader but I'm not convinced that wasn't partially to get in Stan's head. They both looked a bit meek in the 5th physically. Then again Wawrinka always looks like hes about to keel over and die so it's hard to tell how injured he really is.

If Federer was THAT injured there's no way he wins the 5th, Stan had all of the momentum and Federer was forced to make big shots and serves to stay alive.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I'm no mind reader but I'm not convinced that wasn't partially to get in Stan's head. They both looked a bit meek in the 5th physically. Then again Wawrinka always looks like hes about to keel over and die so it's hard to tell how injured he really is.

If Federer was THAT injured there's no way he wins the 5th, Stan had all of the momentum and Federer was forced to make big shots and serves to stay alive.
RAFA can beat healthy Federer easily so RAFA should win this one. and he will be again the favorite to win French open. only chance only chance Roger has is he gets back to 100 % and sunday final be closed Roof, Fast indoor match. that is only chance he has.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
That's exactly what I meant though. The draw wasn't lucky at all, it was a minefield. Given how out of form everyone expected him to be, I find it impossible to not think he has been fortunate to get this far. He said himself never in his wildest dreams did he expect to be in the final. Now he has 2 tricky but beatable possible opponents for the final. I don't think it's fair to just proclaim a winner one way or the other. Especially if it's Federer Dimitrov, I'd consider him a sizable favorite to win that.
Yes, all my worries concern the possibility of Dimi not making the final because if it's him I'd be happy with either of them winning. So yeah. Also, Roger didn't look very good today. That makes me worried because if Dull makes it, it could be BH abuse plus a blowout. It's all very confusing at the moment.
 

joekapa

Legend
I'm no mind reader but I'm not convinced that wasn't partially to get in Stan's head. They both looked a bit meek in the 5th physically. Then again Wawrinka always looks like hes about to keel over and die so it's hard to tell how injured he really is.

If Federer was THAT injured there's no way he wins the 5th, Stan had all of the momentum and Federer was forced to make big shots and serves to stay alive.
I don't think it was like that at all.

In the 1st set, the momentum was with Wawrinka. You kept thinking it was any minute that he was going to break. He ended up gifting the set.
In the 5th set the same. he had Fed on the ropes, in the first four games. He lost a break point, and ended up collapsing and choking mentally. Federer did not look like he had the steam to reach 6-6. Stan choked, and choked hard.

That being said, Fed did EXACTLY all he needed to do to win it, and credit must be given where it is due. He seems pumped enough to meet everybody.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
The double career slam means very little in my opinion tbh. The versality of these players is well documented across their entire careers, Nadal put any doubts about his HC play to bed in 2013. The stakes are higher for Federer I feel. Hopefully he handles them better than tonight, I doubt Nadal will let him off the hook in a fifth set.

If Rafa reaches the final, whoever wins it will be a nightmare for Novak fans. Wonder if Novak will even bother to watch it.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think it was like that at all.

In the 1st set, the momentum was with Wawrinka. You kept thinking it was any minute that he was going to break. He ended up gifting the set.
In the 5th set the same. he had Fed on the ropes, in the first four games. He lost a break point, and ended up collapsing and choking mentally. Federer did not look like he had the steam to reach 6-6. Stan choked, and choked hard.

That being said, Fed did EXACTLY all he needed to do to win it, and credit must be given where it is due. He seems pumped enough to meet everybody.

I don't disagree with any of this. Like I said, I'm not a mind-reader after all. Would be nice to be one though :p. Mainly just really hard to tell how fatigued the two were. When one looked dead and you thought the other guy had him right where he wanted him, it would suddenly change completely. Crazy match. Pretty much about as crazy as I expected. I certainly wasn't confident enough to think Federer would get it done easily, even at 2-0 I was a bit nervous as Federer has had a propensity in his older age to lose matches he's had nice leads in.
 

Feather

Legend
Roger seemed as daunted as I do at the prospect of playing the final. I'm not saying this isn't a good result overall but him losing another major final getting his BH pounded was plainly not what I had in mind or hoped for. And TBH it seemed as though neither Stan nor Roger really wanted to win that match. I don't know what to make of the MTO either but it's a 90% guaranteed ruined Sunday for me. I just hope his problems don't linger past the AO. We've seen this happen in 08, '13 and then 2016 although that was post the SF. He'll need all the luck he can get at Wimbledon because he certainly didn't get much of it here.

Stan came from two sets down because he hate Roger and wanted Roger to play five sets, right? What an asinine comment

How do you know that Grigor doesn't beat Rafa?

Even if he loses to Rafa in the final, it's a tremendous achievement! Coming back to play after an injury and reaching the final. You would rather want Stan to win, right? LOL, speaking like a teen age kid

I, for once, do think and believe that he will win AO 2017
 

joekapa

Legend
And another small comment, and it might seem petty, but it ain't.

Stan, deep down, just doesn't want to beat his mentor, Federer. You could tell that from the first set. He had ripe chances to drill him a couple of times at the net, maybe not at the body, but close to it, but didn't, sending the ball wide. He was "respectful". He told Federer to challenge a serve, which was called out. Once again showing "respect".

After trash talking with Tsonga, and drilling Klizan to the groin (no matter what anybody says, he did that on purpose), I would of thought he would of come into this match with the same kind of fire. No "come ons". No glaring at the other side of the net. It was almost like he was taming the Stanimal inside of him.

And make no mistake. The third set was gifted from Fed, to save energy. Stan did not win it outright.
 

Gytha

Legend
Was about an hour and a half behind with the match as I had to go out.

Wow, after set 2 I thought this would be a 3 setter - then suddenly at *1-2 in the 3rd, Roger started missing everything o_O then Stan got on a roll, and it's a damn 5 setter.

Still, a slam final for the old man! Amazing, legendary, GOAT etc :D

Also Mirka, please burn that jumper, it's the ugliest item of clothing I've ever seen
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Was about an hour and a half behind with the match as I had to go out.

Wow, after set 2 I thought this would be a 3 setter - then suddenly at *1-2 in the 3rd, Roger started missing everything o_O then Stan got on a roll, and it's a damn 5 setter.

Still, a slam final for the old man! Amazing, legendary, GOAT etc :D

Also Mirka, please burn that jumper, it's the ugliest item of clothing I've ever seen

https://twitter.com/rharris334/status/824587353129787392

I'm sure she's not gonna burn that away...
 

Feather

Legend

He meant Roger should be able to achieve what Agassi achieved since he is the "goat". It doesn't mean that he will agree to the point that Roger is a GOAT. As he has only achieved what Agassi did!

I also don't believe in a GOAT. It's pure nonsense. It's impossible to compare objectively legends of the game who played the sport at different time periods using different technique and different racquets. Calling one person GOAT when the game has changed so much in years is such a disservice to all the previous greats
 
And another small comment, and it might seem petty, but it ain't.

Stan, deep down, just doesn't want to beat his mentor, Federer. You could tell that from the first set. He had ripe chances to drill him a couple of times at the net, maybe not at the body, but close to it, but didn't, sending the ball wide. He was "respectful". He told Federer to challenge a serve, which was called out. Once again showing "respect".

After trash talking with Tsonga, and drilling Klizan to the groin (no matter what anybody says, he did that on purpose), I would of thought he would of come into this match with the same kind of fire. No "come ons". No glaring at the other side of the net. It was almost like he was taming the Stanimal inside of him.

And make no mistake. The third set was gifted from Fed, to save energy. Stan did not win it outright.

Yep-Stan deserves a lot more respect than he gets, but by the same token he has to physically hurt his Sensei at every opportunity. Knock his block off if possible, Fed didn't get to where he is by playing nice & his wife tried to distract Stan not that long ago.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
He meant Roger should be able to achieve what Agassi achieved since he is the "goat". It doesn't mean that he will agree to the point that Roger is a GOAT. As he has only achieved what Agassi did!

I also don't believe in a GOAT. It's pure nonsense. It's impossible to compare objectively legends of the game who played the sport at different time periods using different technique and different racquets. Calling one person GOAT when the game has changed so much in years is such a disservice to all the previous greats

My comment was a joke. I wasn't being serious ;)

I agree. Tell that to the media who constantly bring up a GOAT.

By the way, Fed has done better than Agassi. He has reached this final at an older age and has beaten tougher opposition too.

Federer has officially outperformed Agassi in longevity.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Part of Fed's press regarding the abductor:

Q. What did you think when you were playing the fifth set? Was it struggling a lot or not?
ROGER FEDERER: No. Like I said on court, the leg wasn't better or worse in the fifth. I felt tightness throughout the match, and I felt like it slowed me down.

I just hoped that maybe having the physio work on it, that it would make me feel better. But it didn't. It's not something I'm necessarily really worried about in any way. So that's a good thing.

In the fifth, I just knew I had to find my energy again, you know. Play with intensity, play more aggressive, take the ball early, believe in myself, serve good, try not to get in too many tough moments early on, which then I did.

It was an awkward match. Always against Stan, it was always never going to be easy. Especially how the third and fourth set went by, I needed to react really, because he had the upper hand from the baseline.

I thought it was going to be tough in the fifth. I think he gave me a cheap break in the fifth. After that, I never looked back.

I'm happy with my attitude in the fifth. So I'm very pleased, of course.

Q. Are you saying the leg is not going to affect you in Sunday in any way?
ROGER FEDERER: I mean, no. If I had to say anything right now, no.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Stan came from two sets down because he hate Roger and wanted Roger to play five sets, right? What an asinine comment

How do you know that Grigor doesn't beat Rafa?

Even if he loses to Rafa in the final, it's a tremendous achievement! Coming back to play after an injury and reaching the final. You would rather want Stan to win, right? LOL, speaking like a teen age kid

I, for once, do think and believe that he will win AO 2017
That's what most of the fans claim every single time before the usual happens.
 

joekapa

Legend
Yep-Stan deserves a lot more respect than he gets, but by the same token he has to physically hurt his Sensei at every opportunity. Knock his block off if possible, Fed didn't get to where he is by playing nice & his wife tried to distract Stan not that long ago.
After this match, or the way he ended up playing it, I have lost most respect for Stan. I used to call him the "Gary Cooper" of tennis. Now I think he is the Woody Allen of tennis.

The first set was almost certainly his. If you look back at the comments on this thread, you all but expected it. The fifth looked like it was his as well. I was the only one who said that he would choke it away, almost purposely. And that he did. Even the pro-Fed Wilander had all but lost faith after the 4th set.

What happened ? He gave it to him, plain and simple. Federer was all but limping. His serve was saving him. His ground work/play was all but leaving him.

And bang, Wawrinka, double faults it away.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
I woke up to see that Federer won. And I am happy about it. I was a Djokovic fan, but I must say if this doesn't prove that Federer is the best tennis player of all times, I don't know what does.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
That said, while this match showed Fed still has some mental edge over Wawrinka, it's not as big as before. The Wawrinka of old would have never have gone 5 sets on a hardcourt against Federer. I think this is the last time Fed beats Wawrinka in a slam (apart from Wimbledon). If they meet at RG, Wawrinka will surely win.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
No offense, this defeatist attitude sucks!

Thank god I'm not the only Federer fan that feels this way.

@joekapa I don't think your assertion Stan doesn't get up for Federer the same way because their friends is petty. There could be some truth to that. I know for me playing against people I know and love is really difficult, and that's just recreational crap for me, not serious at all. It does get hard to mentally be aggressive against your longtime buddy. I know Djokovic and him are quite chummy as well but he also hasn't been in Djokovic's shadow his whole career.
 

edberg volleys

Hall of Fame
Thanks for posting this.

Part of Fed's press regarding the abductor:

Q. What did you think when you were playing the fifth set? Was it struggling a lot or not?
ROGER FEDERER: No. Like I said on court, the leg wasn't better or worse in the fifth. I felt tightness throughout the match, and I felt like it slowed me down.

I just hoped that maybe having the physio work on it, that it would make me feel better. But it didn't. It's not something I'm necessarily really worried about in any way. So that's a good thing.

In the fifth, I just knew I had to find my energy again, you know. Play with intensity, play more aggressive, take the ball early, believe in myself, serve good, try not to get in too many tough moments early on, which then I did.

It was an awkward match. Always against Stan, it was always never going to be easy. Especially how the third and fourth set went by, I needed to react really, because he had the upper hand from the baseline.

I thought it was going to be tough in the fifth. I think he gave me a cheap break in the fifth. After that, I never looked back.

I'm happy with my attitude in the fifth. So I'm very pleased, of course.

Q. Are you saying the leg is not going to affect you in Sunday in any way?
ROGER FEDERER: I mean, no. If I had to say anything right now, no.
 

joekapa

Legend
I hope Nadal loses. I hope if Nadal wins, somebody knocks down his bottles during the final, or something. I really want Federer to win AO. Beating Nadal would be extra sweet.
If Nadal beats try-hard Federer, it's over. Nadal will not lose to Federer.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
My comment was a joke. I wasn't being serious ;)

I agree. Tell that to the media who constantly bring up a GOAT.

By the way, Fed has done better than Agassi. He has reached this final at an older age and has beaten tougher opposition too.

Federer has officially outperformed Agassi in longevity.

Blake in the USO 2005 played better than anyone Federer has faced in this draw.
 
That said, while this match showed Fed still has some mental edge over Wawrinka, it's not as big as before. The Wawrinka of old would have never have gone 5 sets on a hardcourt against Federer. I think this is the last time Fed beats Wawrinka in a slam (apart from Wimbledon). If they meet at RG, Wawrinka will surely win.

Yes. Fed will always have a mental edge over Stan for the rest of their careers, how could he not? considering all he has achieved and overwhelmed Stan as No 1 from Switzerland. Stan had his chances/half chances in this match and didn't take them, namely, in the first and fifth sets and in the end Fed was just that extra bit stronger mentally in the most important points and ultimately won. Facing Djokovic is completely different as he never over shadowed Stan given that they are from different countries. He deserves a lot of credit though in avoiding what could have ended up being a straight set rout and turned it into an epic despite a slight knee issue.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Ok, fair enough, I'll give you Blake.

But Agassi still struggled against other guys he shouldn't have struggled so much against.

Meh, even Ginepri was playing really well that summer - looked like a young guy for the future. I'm not so blown away by Federer's form this tournament, as far as I'm concerned he played 2/6 great matches. I don't see the need to make comparisons - beyond any I've already made :p
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Meh, even Ginepri was playing really well that summer - looked like a young guy for the future. I'm not so blown away by Federer's form this tournament, as far as I'm concerned he played 2/6 great matches. I don't see the need to make comparisons - beyond any I've already made :p
Still doesn't change the fact that Fed right now has reached a GS final at an older age than Agassi, relatively speaking.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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Well, I did have an account on bleacher report for a while. Back in 2012 I used to post there.

So yeah, it was probably me :D
I gave up on BR in 2012 as well, just wanted to ask you what's going on there right now, but it seems that you've left them too. :D
 
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