2017 Barcelona Ruud Awakening - [Q] Casper Ruud vs [10] Albert Ramos-Vinolas

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It was the same for Struff. He just needs to primarily push and spin with the backhand. This isn't junior leagues.;) Delusions of grandeur on the backhand crazy; he rarely damages on offense with that shot againt better players. Maybe work on dtl backhand, but his may be a bit spinny for that.

He needs to set up his forehand. That´s what his game revolves around.

I wish he´d just quite the net rushing, the droppers, the jumping backhands. . . Ruud´s a baseliner. And a damn good one, too!
 
He needs to set up his forehand. That´s what his game revolves around.

I wish he´d just quite the net rushing, the droppers, the jumping backhands. . . Ruud´s a baseliner. And a damn good one, too!

I can't agree. I think he should develop those things (well the net play and the drop shots). He produced a couple of good drop-shots early but it's about decision making and timing. I think his biggest sin today was ill advised DTL BHs as soon as the ball reached that wing. He lives and dies also by aggression. If he could just sometimes hold back a bit — like pretty much ever good clay player does — then he'd find more success. Obviously, all of this is a balancing act which can't just be immediately figured out. I don't think he's close to putting his game together in the holistic sense. It's fragmented at the moment, with one winning formula (incisive aggression, especially with the forehand).
 
so close

hope casper learn a lot from this. Quick! :D But its pretty clear that his FH is world class and can do a lot of destruction for the best players too.

Well this match was worthy of match thread. Ruud has wildcard to Madrid next week so we won't have to wait long for another Ruud fix.:p

Cant wait!!!
 
I can't agree. I think he should develop those things (well the net play and the drop shots). He produced a couple of good drop-shots early but it's about decision making and timing. I think his biggest sin today was ill advised DTL BHs as soon as the ball reached that wing.

Off course. I was unclear. He did those things when he was under stress, out of desperation. That´s what I meant :)
 
Off course. I was unclear. He did those things when he was under stress, out of desperation. That´s what I´m talking about :)

I'll look forward to watching him in Madrid. My interest is definitely piqued. I updated my post BTW with more of my own personal thoughts, for what it's worth. They might sound harsh but at 18 I think he's obviously one of the hot prospects.
 
I'll look forward to watching him in Madrid. My interest is definitely piqued. I updated my post BTW with more of my own personal thoughts, for what it's worth. They might sound harsh but at 18 I think he's obviously one of the hot prospects.

He´s known to have a quite cool head, but today he rushed things when ARV was ahead in the 2nd, and his consistency was way down. I reckon that was a sign of the disappointment for losing the first set. His body language was not the best today, either.

Lots of room for improvement, but already a world class forehand.
 
He´s known to have a quite cool head, but today he rushed things when ARV was ahead in the 2nd, and his consistency was way down. I reckon that was a sign of the disappointment for losing the first set. His body language was not the best today, either.

Lots of room for improvement, but already a world class forehand.

Ya, most definitely a calm and stable fellow compared to most. Quite naturally a bit more tight and nervous than usual when in a tight match against his first top 20 opponent. In contrast, I just caught the end of his peer Kozlov scraping past Melzer in Tallahassee — now that's anything but calmness, LOL.

In general I tend to find that his game is reasonably patient and methodical (but aggressive), and that's some of what stood out most to people in the Rio run. But today particularly after the tiebreak fell apart he was indeed making some ridiculously rash choices all over the board, trying to dropshot when not having enough time, and going for way harder angles than he needed and so on. Same thing when he gassed against PCB in Rio. Looks a bit to me like he's comfortable and loose when he's ahead or level in a match, such as against Albot in the previous round, but when he falls clearly behind against a good opponent the junior tennis makes its appearance. Possibly feels he has to do more than he really does, as Nate suggested, which is typical with the youngsters. Something he'll have to learn with experience I suppose.

Still a lot to improve of the obvious stuff, but the upside is definitely there.
 
Ya, most definitely a calm and stable fellow compared to most. Quite naturally a bit more tight and nervous than usual when in a tight match against his first top 20 opponent. In contrast, I just caught the end of his peer Kozlov scraping past Melzer in Tallahassee — now that's anything but calmness, LOL.

In general I tend to find that his game is reasonably patient and methodical (but aggressive), and that's some of what stood out most to people in the Rio run. But today particularly after the tiebreak fell apart he was indeed making some ridiculously rash choices all over the board, trying to dropshot when not having enough time, and going for way harder angles than he needed and so on. Same thing when he gassed against PCB in Rio. Looks a bit to me like he's comfortable and loose when he's ahead or level in a match, such as against Albot in the previous round, but when he falls clearly behind against a good opponent the junior tennis makes its appearance. Possibly feels he has to do more than he really does, as Nate suggested, which is typical with the youngsters. Something he'll have to learn with experience I suppose.

Still a lot to improve of the obvious stuff, but the upside is definitely there.

The thing is that he was close enough to ARV in level to not have to be so antsy in his play. I think you were the first to mention it even before I did earlier in the thread.
 
Someone write down all the above stuff and shoot it over to Casper!

In all seriousness, nice to read so much insight from people who obviously know a great deal about the game. With experience, age and his work ethics I am confident Casper will shine in the future (CYGS 2018-2045 or similar yes @stringertom ?).

Thanks for chipping in @Sysyphus and @-NN-
 
Someone write down all the above stuff and shoot it over to Casper!

In all seriousness, nice to read so much insight from people who obviously know a great deal about the game. With experience, age and his work ethics I am confident Casper will shine in the future (CYGS 2018-2045 or similar yes @stringertom ?).

Thanks for chipping in @Sysyphus and @-NN-


All I'll say is that based on the way tennis is trending, don't expect too much too soon. I do think space will open up over the next few years for even very young guys to start making a real mark, but it does seem to take longer for players to fully mature these days.

Yes, I always enjoy reading the thoughts of @Sysyphus and he's a very keen observer of the youngsters (and tennis in general).
 
All I'll say is that based on the way tennis is trending, don't expect too much too soon. I do think space will open up over the next few years for even very young guys to start making a real mark, but it does seem to take longer for players to fully mature these days.

It's been quite a few years since someone that young burst onto the stage winning a big title so I agree. Fed and Rafa destroying the field from their wheel chairs is telling. He's only 18, no rush before he comes of age (going with the US number of 21 for this one).
 
It's been quite a few years since someone that young burst onto the stage winning a big title so I agree. Fed and Rafa destroying the field from their wheel chairs is telling. He's only 18, no rush before he comes of age (going with the US number of 21 for this one).


To be honest I'm still not entirely sold on where tennis is trending and still think there could be a sudden influx of young talent within the next few years under the assumption that the current 17-23 generation is simply more talented than the Nishikori-Dimitrov-Raonic lot. I just think that there will be a more balanced spread of talent.. so we might have a period where there's a great 33 year old battling against someone great at 28 and someone great at 22. Especially if the game remains stable enough, I can imagine the talent at the top just getting more saturated as generations are added to the pool. It might become a game of 3-4 generations concurrently having a say at the top of the game rather than the typical 2.
 
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