2017 Federer vs 2024 Sinner

Who's season will end up better?

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Sinner's 2024 season, when I saw it, made me immediately think of Federer's 2017 season; especially the first two stats.

Will Sinner's 2024 season be considered better than Federer's 2017 after he completes this season?

Sinner 2024:
55-5, .917 overall record
1.42 Dominance Ratio
2 slam titles
2 Masters titles
10-4, .714 vs top-10 with a 1.22 Dominance Ratio

Federer 2017
54-5, .915 overall record
1.42 Dominance Ratio
2 slam titles
3 Masters titles
14-2, .875 vs top-10 with a 1.39 Dominance Ratio
 
Poisoned Slice said:
Federer 2024 > Sinner 2024.
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Sinner is leading 2-1 so far. I get it. He made a lot more deep runs and he's not done with 2024 yet either. So he'll likely add to it.

That said, I'm still picking Federer. The guy was a wrecking ball against top players that year.
 
Federer's will always be more legendary for obvious reasons, but results wise (which is the only objective metric by which to analyze these things) it's obviously Sinner
 
Fed 2017 is like cheating I think. He was winning huge short points but skipped entire clay season because he knew outside of fast courts it would be difficult. I would love to see Sinner 2024 vs Fed 2017 in IW where Stan Wawrinka took him to 3.

It was huge collapse of top order that is Djokovic and Murray which aided with Fed blitzing the field. While in 2024, Sinner is beating everyone week in and out. He has not had let down. Field is almost the same as last year, except Djokovic in BO3 but Djokovic was not a factor in BO3 till Cincy last year as well.
 
Federer is 91% hold and 26.7% break in 2017. He played almost same matches as Sinner today.
Sinner is 91% hold and 28.3% break in 2024. That includes clay which is not his best surface. Still he is above Fed till now.

In the end, tennis is young player's sport.
 
Pheasant said:
Sinner's 2024 season, when I saw it, made me immediately think of Federer's 2017 season; especially the first two stats.

Will Sinner's 2024 season be considered better than Federer's 2017 after he completes this season?

Sinner 2024:
55-5, .917 overall record
1.42 Dominance Ratio
2 slam titles
2 Masters titles
10-4, .714 vs top-10 with a 1.22 Dominance Ratio

Federer 2017
54-5, .915 overall record
1.42 Dominance Ratio
2 slam titles
3 Masters titles
14-2, .875 vs top-10 with a 1.39 Dominance Ratio
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Federer points till the USOpen 7660 (changed to new system and calculated)

Sinner's points till the USOpen 9000 (400 removed already)

Sinner is actually close to 2000 points ahead but removing IW, he is still 1340 points ahead.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Federer points till the USOpen 7660 (changed to new system and calculated)

Sinner's points till the USOpen 9000 (400 removed already)

Sinner is actually close to 2000 points ahead but removing IW, he is still 1340 points ahead.
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I'd include IW. He was found innocent. Also, I don't want this to be another "Sinner juiced" thread for the 1 billionth time.

I wanted to see how people would vote on this. Sinner has the aggregate counting total in his favor in a big way. Fed's efficiency was wicked-good that year-- he won 3 of the 4 Masters events that he played while the 4th was a runner up finish. Of course, Sinner isn't done with this year yet. There are a lot more points on the table for him.
 
Pheasant said:
I'd include IW. He was found innocent. Also, I don't want this to be another "Sinner juiced" thread for the 1 billionth time.

I wanted to see how people would vote on this. Sinner has the aggregate counting total in his favor in a big way. Fed's efficiency was wicked-good that year-- he won 3 of the 4 Masters events that he played while the 4th was a runner up finish. Of course, Sinner isn't done with this year yet. There are a lot more points on the table for him.
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Yes I just counted points till USO. Fed went on to have successful fall season and we will see if Sinner can do similar.
As of now, Sinner is far ahead, because of his consistency on all surfaces.
Fed was injured in 2017 USOpen or he would probably challenge for third slam title.
 
Phenomenal said:
Fed who played tons of 5 setters in both HC slam wouldn't, no way straight setting Sinner on HC.
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Exactly. People think past is always good.

Sinner is one dimensional more than most (maybe all) world number 1s in history but he is far more powerful than most world number 1s as well.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Exactly. People think past is always good.

Sinner is one dimensional more than most (maybe all) world number 1s in history but he is far more powerful than most world number 1s as well.
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Yes exactly. Sinner also started to use net more but his baseline game is so strong and consistent. Has little flaws and uses drop shots slices more aswell even though sometimes silly: )
 
Phenomenal said:
Yes exactly. Sinner also started to use net more but his baseline game is so strong and consistent. Has little flaws uses drop shots slices more aswell even though sometimes silly: )
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All court game is for oldies mostly now. Its percentage play and he is at his best at that.
Last night both he and Fritz came to net maybe 10 times each. Maybe less.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
All court game is for oldies mostly now. Its percentage play and he is at his best at that.
Last night both he and Fritz came to net maybe 10 times each. Maybe less.
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Game is also very fast. Not easy to come to the net. Though in this USO it also favours good approaches since it is fast and easy to put away balls. I saw Sinner use net often in some earlier though not sure.
 
Phenomenal said:
Game is also very fast. Not easy to come to the net. Though in this USO it also favours good approaches since it is fast and easy to put away balls. I saw Sinner use net often in some earlier though not sure.
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I don't agree with this completely though. Sinner knew Fritz won't come to net so he stood deep on return in set 2 when Fritz serve started running hot. Fritz should have tried a bit more.

Sinner doesn't use net as often even in his best 12 months stretch. Look at this. His net frequency and especially S&V frequency is very poor.


But was Djokovic in 2011 really doing ANY s&v? I don't think at all. If I can find stat then ok.
The young players use their movement to make opponent hit more errors. No need to take risk.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I don't agree with this completely though. Sinner knew Fritz won't come to net so he stood deep on return in set 2 when Fritz serve started running hot. Fritz should have tried a bit more.

Sinner doesn't use net as often even in his best 12 months stretch. Look at this. His net frequency and especially S&V frequency is very poor.


But was Djokovic in 2011 really doing ANY s&v? I don't think at all. If I can find stat then ok.
The young players use their movement to make opponent hit more errors. No need to take risk.
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True mine was bit contradicting. I missed the first 2 set of final. But it makes sense yeah Fritz should have used net more maybe thats his weakness since he doesn't use it and he is good from baseline for his height etc.

No S&V anymore i don't think any great baseliners use it often. I mean going to the net in rallies.
 
Phenomenal said:
True mine was bit contradicting. I missed the first 2 set of final. But it makes sense yeah Fritz should have used net more maybe thats his weakness since he doesn't use it and he is good from baseline for his height etc.

No S&V anymore i don't think any great baseliners use it often. I mean going to the net in rallies.
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Alcaraz is great baseliner in today's game and he uses it often. Just like Federer's career numbers of S&V forced.
I think players are using it more now and to good use. But we thankfully will never go to 90s or 80s days again.
 
At AO, Federer wins easily if it's the final. Sinner played awful in that match due to nerves. If it's semifinal or before, it will be a much closer much but i still take Federer with the serve being a difference maker.

At Wimbledon, Fred wins easily. Sinner couldn't even beat Medvedev who's a non factor on grass.

At US Open, Sinner wins since Federer lost to Del Potro and looked unimpressive.
 
Racquet_smash said:
At AO, Federer wins easily if it's the final. Sinner played awful in that match due to nerves. If it's semifinal or before, it will be a much closer much but i still take Federer with the serve being a difference maker.

At Wimbledon, Fred wins easily. Sinner couldn't even beat Medvedev who's a non factor on grass.

At US Open, Sinner wins since Federer lost to Del Potro and looked unimpressive.
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Sinner will beat Nadal of AO 2017 in 4 which fed couldn't do. Don't forget 1 hander of fed still can't match 2 hander of sinner
 
Interesting bit what Bing dug up for me:

Based on data from Tennis Abstract, here are the statistics for Jannik Sinner, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray, and Novak Djokovic regarding matches won and lost relative to their dominance ratios:

### Jannik Sinner
- **Matches Lost with Higher Dominance Ratio**: Sinner has lost **5 matches** despite having a higher dominance ratio¹.
- **Matches Won with Lower Dominance Ratio**: Sinner has won **3 matches** where his dominance ratio was lower than his opponent's¹.

### Roger Federer
- **Matches Lost with Higher Dominance Ratio**: Federer has lost **8 matches** despite having a higher dominance ratio².
- **Matches Won with Lower Dominance Ratio**: Federer has won **6 matches** where his dominance ratio was lower than his opponent's².

### Rafael Nadal
- **Matches Lost with Higher Dominance Ratio**: Nadal has lost **6 matches** despite having a higher dominance ratio³.
- **Matches Won with Lower Dominance Ratio**: Nadal has won **5 matches** where his dominance ratio was lower than his opponent's³.

### Andy Murray
- **Matches Lost with Higher Dominance Ratio**: Murray has lost **7 matches** despite having a higher dominance ratio⁴.
- **Matches Won with Lower Dominance Ratio**: Murray has won **4 matches** where his dominance ratio was lower than his opponent's⁴.

### Novak Djokovic
- **Matches Lost with Higher Dominance Ratio**: Djokovic has lost **7 matches** despite having a higher dominance ratio⁵.
- **Matches Won with Lower Dominance Ratio**: Djokovic has won **4 matches** where his dominance ratio was lower than his opponent's⁵.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Sinner in straight set

If you can do this, we can do this

Tit for tat 100%
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Have you watched tennis outside of 2024? Have you? Cause the amount of stupidity oozing from your posts on a regular basis is just next level embarassing.

Federer from 2017 would smoke Sinner. Who the hell did Sinner even beat this year of worth to compare himself to Fed who pulled 2017 out of his hat? He lost both matches to Alcaraz (pretty much the only other guy who mattered this year), beat a 37-year old clearly playing far worse than even a year before Djokovic as evidenced by Djokovic doing nothing of worth in the season outside of the Olympics (which Sinner didn't even play), barely scraped through a gassed out Medvedev in that AO final. Who else am I missing? Fritz? Draper? Federer went 4-0 against Nadal who didn't play too shabby that year either, beat Del Po several times that year, Wawrinka, a young, but already very good Zverev. You literally had to have Fed play below his good level to even pull off a win from him in 2017 - he lost 2 random matches in Dubai/Halle, lost 2 matches in the NA season due to back injury and the last match of the season due to fatigue. He did this **** at 36 too, Sinner has no excuse to be tired at 23.

Imagine Sinner going through a draw like 2017 Miami instead of some farce like he had at the USO. The dude is basically a specialist in beating Medvedev and Rublev. The same Medvedev who got pwned by a near 38-year old Fed in Miami in 2019.

Tennis is insufferable right now, Sinner is just a tier 2 mug who came to the right place at the right time and is taking full advantage of pretty much the most pathetic tour ever.
 
Fedr on grass

Fedr at the Masters

Fedr at the AO

Sinr on clay in theory, but Fedr eschewed clay so the match wouldn’t take place

Sinr at USO
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Fedr on grass

Fedr at the Masters

Fedr at the AO

Sinr on clay in theory, but Fedr eschewed clay so the match wouldn’t take place

Sinr at USO
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Why Sinner on clay? Fed was only really beatable on clay by Rafa, he even took Djoko 2011 out at RG. Fed isn't a clay mug by any means, just not quite good enough there to beat the greatest clay player of all time
 
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