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G.O.A.T.
And i wish Fed had played the Clay swing this year .
This is becoming boring now without in form Djoker, there is no decent Player to compete against a' good Nadal' on Clay .
Fed is hiding he wants no part of Rafa on the dirt.
And i wish Fed had played the Clay swing this year .
This is becoming boring now without in form Djoker, there is no decent Player to compete against a' good Nadal' on Clay .
Djokovic is no longer "the best". Andy Murray can't even make it to a final. The only true test would be meeting Fed on clay, which may not happen. Fed may still be in Nadal's head (for the first time ever and no one is not in another's head when they lose that many times in a row), even as well as Nadal is playing. Right now Nadal has yet to play a hot Wawrinka, a hot Fed, a hot Djoker, a hot Murray, etc on clay. He had trouble with Fognini again, so he isn't in peak form, either. Everyone else is just a pretender.Nadal's first win over Djokovic in THREE years. Sounds crazy!
This should boost Nadal's confidence even more with Rome and then RG just round the corner. No longer is he just beating lower-ranked players, he is now back to beating the best!!
Salutations, Senti-man! As well as can be in these strange times we all are living through. What about you?
How are things around here? Strong or weak poasting era? Is the fresh green army replenishing its ranks at an acceptable rate?
Hey, I just looked at my join date. 10 years already! Man, I'm getting old for this, I should retire.
You chaps who watch DVR recordings of matches later, should stay OFF the internet till you've seen the match.lolol well that kind of gives me an idea so I think you just spoiled the matchActually @Sentinel almost gave it away earlier
Thanks Steve and @Poisoned Slice![]()
Nadal is now back to beating the best!!
I really don't get all this "Nole is finished" nonsense. Have we learned nothing from Federer and Nadal? How many times did we read that both would never win another important tournament again. These ATGs are all time greats for a reason.
Why is boring? This is normality before a couple years. Well, welcome to normalityAnd i wish Fed had played the Clay swing this year .
This is becoming boring now without in form Djoker, there is no decent Player to compete against a' good Nadal' on Clay .
The true test in 2017 is going to be if Nadal continues to dominate Thiem.Djolo
Djokovic is no longer "the best". Andy Murray can't even make it to a final. The only true test would be meeting Fed on clay, which may not happen. Fed may still be in Nadal's head (for the first time ever and no one is not in another's head when they lose that many times in a row), even as well as Nadal is playing. Right now Nadal has yet to play a hot Wawrinka, a hot Fed, a hot Djoker, a hot Murray, etc on clay. He had trouble with Fognini again, so he isn't in peak form, either. Everyone else is just a pretender.
You are not humiliated if you lose when unfit on the other hand humiliation is when you are fit and well and still lose. You'll find that Djoker is the one who is humiliated.Djokovic has humiliated Nadal for a few years when Nadal was struggling.
Nadal swept the clay season for years with all aboard. What are you talking about?Why is boring? This is normality before a couple years. Well, welcome to normality![]()
But we shouldn’t forget that despite the well-known bad H2H Federer was always the second biggest threat to Nadal after an in-form Djokovic.And we're talking about in-form Nadal, which is even more impressive.
LOL
surely Nadal is the smart choice, but I can't get past the feeling that Novak really knows how to play Nadal. If he's up for it, he should still possess the level to be a tougher challenge than the Goffins and Thiems Nadal has been feasting on this clay season.
What are your expectations going into the match?
The true test in 2017 is going to be if Nadal continues to dominate Thiem.
Thiem by my stats has easily been the second best clay player of this year and is very much in the range right now of clay specialists in the 90s.
He has not quite hit the level of peak Fed and Djokovic, but he is very close. Fed is getting too much credit this year on clay when he has not even played on clay.
Djokovic and Murray are simply not major factors on clay this year. It would be a miracle for them to totally turn their play around for Rome and RG. They would have to pull a Stan to do it, but there history does not indicate coming out of nowhere in the manner of Stan.
I think we are missing each other.Thiem just reached his career first CC masters final and had to save 5 MPs in the 4th round to do so. To say that it's premature to compare him to 90s CC specialists or peak Fed and Novak would be an understatement.
Kuerten, 2001, won RG, 61% of games for the year on clay, 55% of points, 88% of games won on serve. Just on those stats I would pick him as a likely RG winner, knowing nothing at all about his game.Performances in big tourneys are what makes player a star and earns respect/reputation, not a stats sheet. No one remembers of the top of their head Guga's serve/return % but they do know his 3 FO titles or even his routing of peak Fed in 2004 at the FO.
Again, I just went down my list. I have the same stats for everyone who won RG over the last 25 years or so, and games for some people way earlier.We should also keep in mind that performances in CC warm-ups historically aren't the best indicators for FO aside from the unique case of Nadal. Plenty of examples at FO of players going deep/winning who otherwise did diddly squat on clay that year.
No problem! Different People, different preferences.
But how is it when you check the result? Or the moments before that? Not worried about a heart attack then? That can be way more dramatic than a live match which may always be a whitewash without critical situations as well. I couldn't stand the 50/50 moment of just looking for the result to be honest.![]()
I really don't get all this "Nole is finished" nonsense. Have we learned nothing from Federer and Nadal? How many times did we read that both would never win another important tournament again. These ATGs are all time greats for a reason.
Otherwise, i think you should come back. An infusion of some maturity would do this forum good.
I just answerd a post calling boring this. And I didn't agree . It's normal for Nadal to rule clay season exept last two years.Nadal swept the clay season for years with all aboard. What are you talking about?
Fed himself would be the first to tell you that his chances on clay against Nadal would be slim. Even before he and all of us realized how good Nadal is this year on clay he was intent on skipping most of the clay season.We are traveling with the baby so have not been following much.
1) it's clear that Djokovic and Murray are undergoing massive crises.
2) it's also clear no one currently on tour has the belief to stop Nadal on clay
3) which makes me think Federer will jump in the fray and try and steal a French open. And I'm bullish about his chances.
You are not humiliated if you lose when unfit on the other hand humiliation is when you are fit and well and still lose. You'll find that Djoker is the one who is humiliated.
If you believe tennis analysts you'll believe anything. Not one of them correctly forecast the AO 2017 Champion nor the runner-up.Again, not a single tennis analyst believes that Nadal's drop in level since early 2014 is due to injuries.
Grow up. I think you are using the word 'humiliate' as some kind of therapy.Djokovic humiliated Nadal in 2011 when Nadal was in his very prime. Please! Djokovic also did a nice job of humiliating Nadal in the past two years even though Nadal was struggling. It doesn't matter why he was struggling. He took to the court to play and Djokovic was the better player in the past two years. Don't be a hypocrite now that Djokovic is facing his hard times and Nadal is in better shape. Their rivalry has always been a good one with the winning streaks going back and forth between them. What is clear to me however is that on clay Nadal is the much better player than Djokovic when he's in decent form. If Djokovic isn't at his best he won't beat Nadal on clay IMO.
Grow up.
You sound like someone suffering from depression and you are making your self feel better by belittling Nadal. Sadly, he doesn't care what you think.Djokovic humiliated Nadal in 2011 when Nadal was in his very prime. Please! Djokovic also did a nice job of humiliating Nadal in the past two years even though Nadal was struggling. It doesn't matter why he was struggling.
At least I did not come here and put Djokovic down, I allowed his fans to enjoy his glory, unlike his fans.What a response!
It's you who needs to grow up. You've been hiding in your cave for two and a half years while Djokovic was swatting a struggling Nadal away like a fly. Now the tables have turned but their rivalry and winning streaks have always gone back and forth. On slow hard court Djokovic is the better player. On clay Nadal is the better player. Try and be a tiny bit objective!![]()
What a response!
It's you who needs to grow up. You've been hiding in your cave for two and a half years while Djokovic was swatting a struggling Nadal away like a fly. Now the tables have turned but their rivalry and winning streaks have always gone back and forth. On slow hard court Djokovic is the better player. On clay Nadal is the better player. Try and be a tiny bit objective!![]()
I think I'll leave you guys to wallow in your misery.Hiding in your cave...
Roflmaooooo
Hell, forget the past two years ....how about til after this past January and March, lmaoooo
I think I'll leave you guys to wallow in your misery.
At least I did not come here and put Djokovic down, I allowed his fans to enjoy his glory, unlike his fans.
You sound like someone suffering from depression and you are making your self feel better by belittling Nadal. Sadly, he doesn't care what you think.
Nadal was not at his peak in 2011, just stop contaminating your otherwise reasonable post.Lying? I don't think so. I said outside of 2011 Madrid and Rome which was a year Djokovic dominated a Nadal in peakity peak form everywhere, Nadal had the upper hand over Djokovic on clay. The last time I checked the FO was played on clay and is the biggest clay event in the sport and you want to discount it? If you look at the FO record which is 6-1 for Nadal and then we are left with the Masters 1000 record outside of 2011, it was 7-4 in favor of Nadal. Thus my comment that Nadal had the upper hand on clay over Djokovic outside of 2011 was correct as the FO + Masters 1000 record during that time was 13-5 for Nadal.
Got it? Nadal is the superior clay court player and their h2h on clay proves that vividly. Nadal at his best on clay trumps Djokovic on clay. 2011 outside of the FO was the outlier where Nadal was his very peak and lost to Djokovic a couple of times at Masters 1000s. Unless Djokovic is at his best or close to it, he won't beat a good form Nadal on clay as I tried to tell people before this Madrid semi-final because we see what happened.
Nadal was not at his peak in 2011, just stop contaminating your otherwise reasonable post.
The true test in 2017 is going to be if Nadal continues to dominate Thiem.
Nadal was not at his peak in 2011, just stop contaminating your otherwise reasonable post.
You sound like someone suffering from depression and you are making your self feel better by belittling Nadal. Sadly, he doesn't care what you think.
Dude, Nadal never, ever, ever blamed his low level since mid 2014 on injuries.
That deserves a signature. I just gave you one.What has Thiem done this year, exactly? I totally fail to see why people hype this guy who has no results and is almost 24 years old. Nadal could dominate him until 2025 if he chooses to play that long. Nadal will annihilate him today, watch and see.
Fed could be woken up at 4:00 am in Dubai (after playing on nothing but HC's the last month) and dispose of Thiem on clay with little problem. People speak about Thiem like he's vintage Borg, I have no clue why.
That deserves a signature. I just gave you one.
If Nadal destroys Thiem today, you may look smart.
Personally I hate making predictions like that. They come back to haunt me about 50% of the time.![]()
Three slam titles in 2010. Kept that form into 2011 where he made three other slam finals and bunch of masters finals and wins.
Djokovic was the reason Nadal didn't win another 3 that year. Nadal was as much peak/prime whatever you wanna call it, as he was in 2010 or any other multislam year he had, but the difference was Djokovic.
when has Nadal ever had peak years back to back?Stop please! Of course he was.