2017 Miami QF - [12] Nick Kyrgios vs [16] Alexander Zverev

Who wins?


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The Green Mile

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These two meet for the 2nd straight tournament, with Nick defeating Zverev previously in Indian Wells 6/3 6/4.
Alex gunning for his first Masters SF, while Nick is defending a SF appearance.
Their Indian Wells match didn't live up to expectations, hopefully they play a better match here.


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Meles

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These two meet for the 2nd straight tournament, with Nick defeating Zverev previously in Indian Wells 6/3 6/4.
Alex gunning for his first Masters SF, while Nick is defending a SF appearance.
Their Indian Wells match didn't live up to expectations, hopefully they play a better match here.


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Well at least they had a friendly handshake.

Zverev stated he just played his best tennis in his last two sets with Stan. Kyrgios just pulled off a magic act against Goffin and its the best I've seen him play. Miami should be a great, great match.:p Kyrgios in two tight sets.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Well at least they had a friendly handshake.

Zverev stated he just played his best tennis in his last two sets with Stan. Kyrgios just pulled off a magic act against Goffin and its the best I've seen him play. Miami should be a great, great match.:p Kyrgios in two tight sets.
I think that was when they were partnering in doubles. Yeah, I think Nick pulls out the win also. Didn't see the Kyrgios match. Best you've seen him play? Exaggeration? Or not? Tokyo against Monfils, Marseille against Gasquet and Berdych, even recently in Acapulco against Novak? His best match regardless of opponent was Elias at the AO this year IMO. Utter domination from start to finish. Definitely a 9.5/10 performance.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I think that was when they were partnering in doubles. Yeah, I think Nick pulls out the win also. Didn't see the Kyrgios match. Best you've seen him play? Exaggeration? Or not? Tokyo against Monfils, Marseille against Gasquet and Berdych, even recently in Acapulco against Novak? His best match regardless of opponent was Elias at the AO this year IMO. Utter domination from start to finish. Definitely a 9.5/10 performance.
The IW handshake was pretty friendly too. Goffin Miami was his best match. Goffin had him under immense pressure. Walking over Elias or toying with Dzumhur may look fun, but Nick was deadly serious and sharp tonight against a goating Goffin.:eek:
 
I think that was when they were partnering in doubles. Yeah, I think Nick pulls out the win also. Didn't see the Kyrgios match. Best you've seen him play? Exaggeration? Or not? Tokyo against Monfils, Marseille against Gasquet and Berdych, even recently in Acapulco against Novak? His best match regardless of opponent was Elias at the AO this year IMO. Utter domination from start to finish. Definitely a 9.5/10 performance.
Wimby 2014 against Nadaaaaal.
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arvind13

Professional
Regardless of outcome we know - Zverev is future while Kyrgios is BUM.

kyrgios is actually buckling down and focusing these past two tournaments. If it continues then he's no longer a BUM. I feel these two will be the top two in the future, trading slams
 
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chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
This will be an important match for Zverev. Psychology is important in sports and losing twice in 2 straight tournaments can have some psychological effect on the future outcome of the matches between these two guys. Maybe in 2-3 year's time, Zverev will be able to overcome that mental barrier as he matures and gets stronger, but he may suffer from inferiority complex for the next couple of years if he loses this one. Just my thoughts.
 
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1HBH-DownTheLine

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this is a tough one to call. I'm going to say Sasha in 3 sets.
 

BeatlesFan

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Zverev stated he just played his best tennis in his last two sets with Stan.

And Stan admitted he was "exhausted" and basically tanked those sets, so Zverev's best sets were against a guy who wasn't interested in winning.

I think Nick is winning this entire thing and he'll beat Z-man in straight sets. Nick is focused and scary good this week. He'll beat Federer and Nadal (or whoever else ends up in the final). He's officially arrived as a true force in the men's game. The opposition should feel happy clay is coming and Nick will disappear until grass season.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Kyrgios playing better now than he did in that match.

Grass is his best surface. Kyrgios to win Wimbledon. I thought next year was the time, but Im starting to think he is ready already 2017.

I actually agree with you. I was hoping Roger could win #8 but this kid has massive game. The last time I felt like this with a new star was when Boris won Wimbledon in '85 and when Pete won the USO.

Zverev? No way will he dominate the game with his physique. No #1 has ever been 6'6. His body will continually break down like Raonic.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
And Stan admitted he was "exhausted" and basically tanked those sets, so Zverev's best sets were against a guy who wasn't interested in winning.

I think Nick is winning this entire thing and he'll beat Z-man in straight sets. Nick is focused and scary good this week. He'll beat Federer and Nadal (or whoever else ends up in the final). He's officially arrived as a true force in the men's game. The opposition should feel happy clay is coming and Nick will disappear until grass season.
Wow. Stan was exhausted after day off and a two set match the day before? Link? That's pretty pathetic for him to pull out that excuse.

I basically agree with you, though I think its close enough that I picked Zverev in 3 sets in league to give myself a shot of getting near the lead. Kyrgios won only 50.0% of the points in the Goffin match; he's not completely invincible. Still think Kyrgios in 2 tough sets based on IW, but in the long run Zverev has the game to challenge Kyrgios because his reach will allow him to luck into some patches of decent returning of first serves and Nick's big 2nd serve.
 

guitarra

Professional
Would slightly favour Kyrgios here. He looked stronger of the two in previous rounds plus Zverev seems to have problems dealing with big servers...
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Kyrgios will win. I doubt Zverev can hit through him or will handle his serve as well as Joffrey did yesterday.
Zverev will not consistently return as well as Goffin, but he just has to put it together in a few games. Zverev has reach and a formidable first return which is the perfect antidote to the big serving of Kyrgios. If the tower snags a few hot first returns in a game, it may add up to a break and that will put a ton of pressure on Kyrgios.

Goffin and Kyrgios have great 2nd return games. Zverev less so, but his first return game may save him in this match. First return is the one area where Zverev is better than Kyrgios.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Wow Stan plays two matches this week that are straight set affairs and not that hard and he's out of it? Obviously he doesn't know what makes his own game tick or he'd have a lot more success by now.:confused:

{“I had one bad game to start the second set and then it was tough for me,” Wawrinka, the reigning US Open champion, said. “I don’t know. I completely went down physically and mentally, and also my tennis was completely out. I had no more energy.”

“For sure it’s a disappointing match. I think the level was quite up and down. We were both fighting a little bit in the first set to find a good level. It was really humid, not easy to play some great tennis,” he added.

The 19-year-old Zverev saved four of five break points and won 75 percent of his service points.

“I had to be aggressive. I felt like he was the one controlling all the points all the time, so I had to change that. It worked out well for me,” Zverev said.}

I still think Zed rope a doped Stan a bit with his pushing in the first stages of the match. Zed absolutely took it up a gear or two and Wawrinka never was able to adjust. Some pace variation and a lot more depth/pace in general and Wawrinka never got the adrenaline running to keep up. The writer used the word exhausted. Wawrinka thought he went down physically and mentally..... had no more energy. I think Stan will get depressed on court some of the time. I love the excuses from the writer and the player when there is no basis for Stan to be drained with the amount he played before the match.:eek:
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Wow Stan plays two matches this week that are straight set affairs and not that hard and he's out of it? Obviously he doesn't know what makes his own game tick or he'd have a lot more success by now.:confused:

{“I had one bad game to start the second set and then it was tough for me,” Wawrinka, the reigning US Open champion, said. “I don’t know. I completely went down physically and mentally, and also my tennis was completely out. I had no more energy.”

“For sure it’s a disappointing match. I think the level was quite up and down. We were both fighting a little bit in the first set to find a good level. It was really humid, not easy to play some great tennis,” he added.

The 19-year-old Zverev saved four of five break points and won 75 percent of his service points.

“I had to be aggressive. I felt like he was the one controlling all the points all the time, so I had to change that. It worked out well for me,” Zverev said.}

I still think Zed rope a doped Stan a bit with his pushing in the first stages of the match. Zed absolutely took it up a gear or two and Wawrinka never was able to adjust. Some pace variation and a lot more depth/pace in general and Wawrinka never got the adrenaline running to keep up. The writer used the word exhausted. Wawrinka thought he went down physically and mentally..... had no more energy. I think Stan will get depressed on court some of the time. I love the excuses from the writer and the player when there is no basis for Stan to be drained with the amount he played before the match.:eek:
Is Wawrinka really using fatigue as an "excuse" or just explaining how he dropped off so quickly in form? At age 32 and carrying a bit more bulk physically than his near-20 opponent, it's not hard to imagine he could drain faster in very humid conditions.

Just a bad day at the office vs a very mentally resilient opponent with younger legs to overcome back to back one set deficits. That is all.

Much more success? Who's won more slams since the beginning of '14? The list is quite short. If he had found Norman earlier, the conquests would be even more numerable.
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
I still think KG has the edge. I usually root for Nick but I can't do that vs Alex :(

How deep does your fandom run? For example, I want the winner of the match to win Miami. That means beating Federer.. or in your case, potentially Nadal. At a Slam it would be different but it's time for someone to breakthrough at bare minimum at the Masters level.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
How deep does your fandom run? For example, I want the winner of the match to win Miami. That means beating Federer.. or in your case, potentially Nadal. At a Slam it would be different but it's time for someone to breakthrough at bare minimum at the Masters level.
I would agree in general but Miami is a bit special because it is an event that Nadal has never won despite coming very close several times. I have no illusion though. And I would love to see Nick or Alex win their 1st master. Anyone but Fed ;) because if Fed keeps winning I'm gonna have to switch to golf and golf is super boring :D
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
I would agree in general but Miami is a bit special because it is an event that Nadal has never won despite coming very close several times. I have no illusion though. And I would love to see Nick or Alex win their 1st master. Anyone but Fed ;) because if Fed keeps winning I'm gonna have to switch to golf and golf is super boring :D

Not just that but Nadal didn't win AO or Acapulco etc. It's been a while that he's had big success and if Federer was in that position I think I'd still favour him over Kyrgios/Zverev. As it is right now though, I want one of them to win the title.
 

ANDYbhGENIUS

Professional
Kyrgios will win. I doubt Zverev can hit through him or will handle his serve as well as Joffrey did yesterday.

Oh he can and then some, but Nick wasting his energy on linecalls was jumping out there, meles saying he was deadly serious, must again be trolling. At times Nick was all over the place, and shaping up is OBLIGATORY if he wants to go all the way.

But clearly NK does things his own way, Mr Sinatra.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
And Stan admitted he was "exhausted" and basically tanked those sets, so Zverev's best sets were against a guy who wasn't interested in winning.

I think Nick is winning this entire thing and he'll beat Z-man in straight sets. Nick is focused and scary good this week. He'll beat Federer and Nadal (or whoever else ends up in the final). He's officially arrived as a true force in the men's game. The opposition should feel happy clay is coming and Nick will disappear until grass season.

Zeverev said that was the best 2 sets of his life, but watching the match. Stan just dumped shots into the net.......

Stan admitted he was not there....
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
I'll go with Zverev. Nick gets flustered too easy.

One of these young guns has to break out eventually, but it still doesn't look good for any of them yet.
 
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