2017 Miami QF - [12] Nick Kyrgios vs [16] Alexander Zverev

Who wins?

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Hopefully both guys can and think they will be top 10 by the end of this season.

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Murray
4. Wawrinka
5. Djokovic
6. Kyrgios
7. Zverev
8. Thiem
9. Cilic
10. Tsonga/Raonic/Nishikori etc

Would be cool.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Zverev is too passive to be interesting to watch; he's like a taller version of Thiem. He's now played Nick twice and failed to get a single BP on Nick's serve.
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At least Zverev can think his way through points and often shows good tactical acumen. Did you watch Thiem in Miami? It's hard to put it into words. Should work on clay, however.
 
red rook said:
Nick Kyrgios is a d*ck. Yelling at the ball kids and the line judge? Pathetic.
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Actually Nick has been extremely nice to the ball kids at Miami, exemplary. Tricky Nicky likes being cranky and getting on the officiating; just seems to make him tick and pick up intensity so I doubt he'll change his ways.:rolleyes:
 
Tennis wizard said:
No doubt he stayed focused during the match

I'm talking about him yelling at the line judges, umpires, and ball boys
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Kyrgios should get rid of this disgusting habit of berating umpires after the point has been awarded to him. He comes across as a real arse. Maybe he means to cultivate this tough guy persona but doing it after people have actually awarded you a point they could have easily made you replay makes you look like a clueless bogan. Oh wait... maybe this is the image he is trying to cultivate? My bad, then...
 
KINGROGER said:
Hopefully both guys can and think they will be top 10 by the end of this season.

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Murray
4. Wawrinka
5. Djokovic
6. Kyrgios
7. Zverev
8. Thiem
9. Cilic
10. Tsonga/Raonic/Nishikori etc

Would be cool.
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It's a cool list but there is absolutely no chance that Zverev will be higher than Thiem by the end of the year. Nishi and Raonic will also both be way, way higher imo.

Interesting placement of Djokovic at 5. I can't quite figure out what he is going to do for the rest of the season. His role in the clay season could be fascinating.
 
KINGROGER said:
Hopefully both guys can and think they will be top 10 by the end of this season.

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Murray
4. Wawrinka
5. Djokovic
6. Kyrgios
7. Zverev
8. Thiem
9. Cilic
10. Tsonga/Raonic/Nishikori etc

Would be cool.
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I think you rate Djokovic too highly, but agree on Federer. Murray is suddenly in doubt too with his elbow issue; he's got a truck load of points to defend this Fall and Kyrgios and Zverev will be a threat to him even though Murray's return game has owned Kyrgios. The Fedal throwback is looking extremely good.:p I'm really looking forward to them battling with the younglings who have nice head to heads with both.:D Nishikori's loss to Fog really has him in doubt for clay so not a bad call. Raonic when healthy has enough game to make WTF, but his injury issues not stopping and he may be a tad slower this year.:oops: Thiem will be really interesting on clay as will Zverev this year.:)
 
every7 said:
It's a cool list but there is absolutely no chance that Zverev will be higher than Thiem by the end of the year. Nishi and Raonic will also both be way, way higher imo.

Interesting placement of Djokovic at 5. I can't quite figure out what he is going to do for the rest of the season. His role in the clay season could be fascinating.
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True Thiem should be ready for a big clay season. Clay for me will determine a lot. If the points are well spread out with no single player dominating then top 2 will likely still be clearly Federer and Nadal.

Really hope Fed wins Miami which gives him a nice cushion.
 
every7 said:
It's a cool list but there is absolutely no chance that Zverev will be higher than Thiem by the end of the year. Nishi and Raonic will also both be way, way higher imo.

Interesting placement of Djokovic at 5. I can't quite figure out what he is going to do for the rest of the season. His role in the clay season could be fascinating.
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Djokovic is absolutely declined on hard courts, but his serving issues may not cost him too badly on clay. Will be very interesting to see Nadal and Djokovic play on clay.
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Meles said:
Djokovic is absolutely declined on hard courts, but his serving issues may not cost him too badly on clay. Will be very interesting to see Nadal and Djokovic play on clay.
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Yeah djokovic has been beaten by a big serving Kyrgios twice and a GOATsmin at AO but on clay his ground game should still be enough to grind out good results. Then even in late 2016 he was still reaching the odd SF/F so he should be good for top 8 finish maybe higher depending on his clay season.
 
KINGROGER said:
True Thiem should be ready for a big clay season. Clay for me will determine a lot. If the points are well spread out with no single player dominating then top 2 will likely still be clearly Federer and Nadal.

Really hope Fed wins Miami which gives him a nice cushion.
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He's on fumes. I think on clay he'll only play Madrid before RG. It would be epic if he were to win Miami as he's got his work cut out especially given his record at the event. Nicky likes Miami no doubt (SF last year too.) As a Thiem fan I must say Nadal looked disturbingly good in his last match. He looks to be getting revved up for clay.:confused: Had some bad matches early at Miami, but Nadal momentum is a disturbing thought.
 
Murray, Djokovic and Cilic have been the three biggest shocks to me this year as far as disappointing results. Monfils has started a heavy, sad decline now (with maybe wellbeing issues involved) but that wasn't as suprising.
 
KINGROGER said:
Yeah djokovic has been beaten by a big serving Kyrgios twice and a GOATsmin at AO but on clay his ground game should still be enough to grind out good results. Then even in late 2016 he was still reaching the odd SF/F so he should be good for top 8 finish maybe higher depending on his clay season.
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We'll soon find out; can hardly wait for clay.:D I'm sad Fed looks a bit haggered in Miami as I thought he might troll Rafa and wildcard into Barcelona. At this point I think most Fed fans will be pleased with just Madrid on the schedule which he might well win.:p
 
every7 said:
Murray, Djokovic and Cilic have been the three biggest shocks to me this year as far as disappointing results. Monfils has started a heavy, sad decline now (with maybe wellbeing issues involved) but that wasn't as suprising.
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Cilic looking suprisingly old in a lot of matches. Monfils really looked dangerous at IW after absolutely toying with Isner. Thiem mauled him badly, but suprised to here of his injuries. Hopefully they are an exaggeration.:oops: He was great at Monte Carlo last year and then injured.:(
 
Vrad said:
What's been interesting about Federer's resurgence this year is that his draws have been the toughest and most interesting as well.

It's probably because of his quality play and low seeding.
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They have been horrible. He lucked out with that fruit smoothie at IW, but finally we'll get to see that match tomorrow; I hope.:confused:
 
Sereger said:
I cant figure out what else Alex has beside the groundstrokes and some rare lob shots
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You must be referring to his weapons?:rolleyes: His backhand really kept in the match with Kyrgios tonight so its absolutely an asset. His forehand is not a weapon. Zverev showed some strong returning promise last Fall and we got to see a bit of tonight as he troubled Kyrgios on serve the whole 3rd set and was within 2 points of a break in almost every game. His defense was very solid against Kyrgios and he was winning most of the baseline rallys in the match which is quite impressive given his height. Zed kept the ace count pretty low tonight, but never really got a hot hand returning the Kyrgios first serve.

Because of his weak forehand and developing net game, Zverev's serve game is quite weak (improved a touch this year over 2016). He'll never catch Kyrgios in that department, but his serve numbers will steadily improve for many years to come. Pretty soon he'll be getting in more tiebreakers and he's handled him self very well in TBs at Miami.:p

A lot of upside on Zverev as he's sure to improve the forehand some and may develop a strong net game (learning from Mischa.;)) Zverev was one of the top first serve returners on grass last year and is extremely good on clay. It all adds up to a very bright future for him.:D
 
Winners or Errors said:
Kyrgios won and behaved himself.

Shame on the umpire for allowing that late challenge. It cost Zverev his focus in that game, and ultimately the match. I was waiting for Zverev to call the umpire the "pits of the world," but I guess that was another time, and Zverev is too polite for such comments.

I really do like Kyrgios' game more than Zverev's. It's less repeatable. It seems very "feel" oriented, which interests me. Massive talent to hit it the way he does and be as consistent as he is...
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Their future rivalry will make a nice contrast, but Kyrgios is absolutely box office in every way imaginable. Will be interesting how he handles a pro Fed crowd tomorrow.:oops:
 
That chair umpire is a joke for giving Kyrgios the challenge on that second to last Zverev service game. Pretty sure you can't cross the court like Zverev did either. Stupid way to muck up the match. Two big mistakes. Both players were great that last hour; many major wins ahead for each.
 
Harry_Wild said:
Love watching Nick play in matches. Nick's matches are part talented play, part show biz and part drama! Now that the total package! He even wears basketball shoes after wards. Tennis an entertaining world now! He is the tennis superstar and will be ranked in the top 10 after Miami!
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If Nick wins Miami he'll still be outside the top ten.:rolleyes:
 
ACE of Hearts said:
Guy has talent but i never liked his personality. I am kind of hoping fed kicks his butt tomorrow
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Not saying Federer could not do it but Nick would have to be hurt/injuried to do so! Federer has improved his game alot but Nick has won in their only get together. Federer knows that a lost to Nick is big possibility; since Nick has beaten Djokovic back to back and has had wins over many top 5 players recently! It will be interesting for sure! I like Nicks chances in two!
 
Harry_Wild said:
Not saying Federer could not do it but Nick would have to be hurt/injuried to do so! Federer has improved his game alot but Nick has won in their only get together. Federer knows that a lost to Nick is big possibility; since Nick has beaten Djokovic back to back and has had wins over many top 5 players recently! It will be interesting for sure! I like Nicks chances in two!
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Novak's more of a counterpuncher though. He clearly has lost a step but he deserves credit for both wins.
 
guanzishou said:
In a nutshell it was a Kyrgios' show.

Alex was hanging on tough to get the 2nd set. He showed how tough he is mentally in that 2nd set tiebreak.

Kyrgios was stronger mentally in the 3rd set.

Overall, I think Kyrgios has got more guts, more instinct, more creativity, more weapons and more balls.
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Could not have said it better myself, precisely why I picked Nick in 2, which I mean, it really should have been over in straights.

Credit to insane Zverev fight back but it really didn't feel like Zverev was gonna win this match at any point. Couple of tense 0-30 games but that's about it. He was on the back foot all night.
 
Meles said:
You must be referring to his weapons?:rolleyes: His backhand really kept in the match with Kyrgios tonight so its absolutely an asset. His forehand is not a weapon. Zverev showed some strong returning promise last Fall and we got to see a bit of tonight as he troubled Kyrgios on serve the whole 3rd set and was within 2 points of a break in almost every game. His defense was very solid against Kyrgios and he was winning most of the baseline rallys in the match which is quite impressive given his height. Zed kept the ace count pretty low tonight, but never really got a hot hand returning the Kyrgios first serve.

Because of his weak forehand and developing net game, Zverev's serve game is quite weak (improved a touch this year over 2016). He'll never catch Kyrgios in that department, but his serve numbers will steadily improve for many years to come. Pretty soon he'll be getting in more tiebreakers and he's handled him self very well in TBs at Miami.:p

A lot of upside on Zverev as he's sure to improve the forehand some and may develop a strong net game (learning from Mischa.;)) Zverev was one of the top first serve returners on grass last year and is extremely good on clay. It all adds up to a very bright future for him.:D
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His 2HBH may be the best of its kind in the game. It is not as consistent as Novak's but he can hit it with vicious pace. If he can get his FH a bit flatter and add more power like Delpo did, then he'll be a force to be reckoned with off the ground.
For the record, Zverev hit his ground strokes with more pace than Kyrgios tonight (70 mph to 67), but maybe that is because Kyrgios hit a tweeter every other shot.
 
chjtennis said:
Good match. Maybe Zverev can beat Kyrgios not too distant future. I think Kyrgios should fancy his chances against Federer.
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Zverev already gave him a much better match than he did at IW.
Basically, the thing I like about Zverev is that he fears no one on tour. He really should/could have beaten Nadal twice now. He has beaten Fed on grass. He is 2-0 against Stan. And hopefully he'll take down Kyrgios in the near future. He needs to figure out how to break the Kyrgios serve though, as he hasn't done it once in 5 sets now against Nick.
 
-NN- said:
At least Zverev can think his way through points and often shows good tactical acumen.
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So do Murray and Djoker and both are total snooze fests to watch. Just one of Nick's nonchalant tweeners is more scintillating than 5 hours of grinding and whining from Sasha.
 
Nadalgaenger said:
His 2HBH may be the best of its kind in the game. It is not as consistent as Novak's but he can hit it with vicious pace. If he can get his FH a bit flatter and add more power like Delpo did, then he'll be a force to be reckoned with off the ground.
For the record, Zverev hit his ground strokes with more pace than Kyrgios tonight (70 mph to 67), but maybe that is because Kyrgios hit a tweeter every other shot.
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I don't doubt it on the velocity. Zverev was winning most of the baseline rallies. I'm not sure about the Zverev forehand; it may be Murray class at best in a few years.:confused:
 
Meles said:
Actually Nick has been extremely nice to the ball kids at Miami, exemplary. Tricky Nicky likes being cranky and getting on the officiating; just seems to make him tick and pick up intensity so I doubt he'll change his ways.:rolleyes:
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Another cook Kyrgios story. I was on a small court at IW a few weeks ago for a Kyrgios doubles match.
He literally walks over and takes a fan's nacho during the changeover. It was classic!
 
Both men showed a lot of growth in this match. Zverev was superb in the tiebreak, showed a lot of composure and some good planning as well. BUT...I thought Kyrgios would suffer a meltdown from that point as he has appeared to hate a fight in the past and thrown in the towel. He did not do that today. And DAT serve! If he can go through this slowass court and at night, he should be an even bigger threat in the entire post RG half of the season. His serve feels super heavy, like Sampras if I may. Fed's got a real fight on his hands; don't like his chances here given that Miami has never been a happy hunting ground for him. It's panning out very much like 2012 that way but there isn't even post prime Roddick left today to dump him out of the tournament. What a strong era this is!
 
So Kyrgios, one of the quickest servers on the tour, gets time violation warning after 23 seconds? That´s still well below Nadal´s average time between points.

And later in the match, he takes 40 seconds - and nothing happens

Nice, mr. Umpire :oops:
 
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BeatlesFan said:
No athlete 6'6 has ever been #1 in tennis, that was the salient point. If you're inferring he might get to 6'7, then that's another nail in his tennis coffin.
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Juan Martín del Potro was year-end #4 after he won the U.S. Open at 6’6”.


He’d have done better had he not had the wrist problems he had, but that doesn’t have anything to do with his height.
 
I really want Nick to be the future of tennis. His game just has that immense X-factor, the most I've seen since Federer (perhaps Nadal.) I'm not saying he's the most talented, Annaconne style, but God he's fun to watch.

I'm a little scared for Rog today. But then if I'm OK with anyone beating Roger its Nick.
 

Not sure if Nick does all that nonchalantness for nonchalantness sake or he actually thinks that's the way to go. Looks good, but might bring some bad habits. I feel he won't bring much of that against Federer.
 
Nadalgaenger said:
Zverev already gave him a much better match than he did at IW.
Basically, the thing I like about Zverev is that he fears no one on tour. He really should/could have beaten Nadal twice now. He has beaten Fed on grass. He is 2-0 against Stan. And hopefully he'll take down Kyrgios in the near future. He needs to figure out how to break the Kyrgios serve though, as he hasn't done it once in 5 sets now against Nick.
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What impressed me about Zverev in this match was that he was winning nearly all the rallies towards the end. He was almost rock solid from the baseline and, in the end, Kyrgios had to rely on his serve to carry him over the threshold.

This is turning into one of the most fascinating matchups on tour!
 
Nick is very talented player, but he has no discipline whatsoever. Big problem when it comes to winning GS.
 
What is Zverevs tiebreak winning percentage like? I have the feeling that everytime I watch Zverev he almost always wins the tiebreaks :eek:
 
It is clear that these two boys hold in their hands the future of Men's Tennis, showing the heart and spirit and creativity, along with winner instinct.

Hopefully Nick will stay the course, and a few others will join their ranks.
 
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