2017 Miami SF - [4] Roger Federer vs [12] Nick Kyrgios

[Chadillac]

The third, He had 2 MP in the 2nd set

Were the MP's in the 2nd on his serve or kryios? I cant remember but i think they were against the monster serve and nick came up big

 

[Dilexson]

Purely because of tennis's strange scoring system.

For example: at 3-2 Fed, Federer had won ELEVEN points on Nick's serve and Nick had won TWO. Nick had played three return games and Fed only 2. Federer completely outplayed Nick over the first five games but the match was essentially tied.

By match's end, Federer had won 19 more points on return (the possible equivalent of almost 5 return games), won 9 more points overall, hit more than 20 more winners from the baseline, won most of the longer rallies, won more points at the net and a greater % of them, won a greater % of points in first AND second serve.

Tennis's archaic scoring system allows big servers to sneakily stay in matches in which they are being outplayed.

Good points. It felt like (apart from the close tiebreaks) Fed was the better player in the first two sets by a big margin. Even in third set too. He was all over the Nick service games right from the start.

As for your last bit i think the archaic scoring system could be a blessing for the tour currently as it would never put the game solely on baseliners' racquets.

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[Mr Feeny]

Overhyped for sure. I can guarantee that the final won't be half as close or exciting as this SF.

Did you not find the Australian open final half as exciting as this?
Wimbledon 2008? Australian 2009?
I don't think matches need to be super close to be exciting. Fedal matches always are because they're between the 2 (arguably) greatest players of all time. Are you not into their matches?

 

[Fedinkum]

If Nick thinks that he doesn't need a psychologist, then he is deluded...

I say a psychiatrist would be more appropriate

 

[Chadillac]

Fedal matches always are because they're between the 2 (arguably) greatest players of all time.

Please stop gravey training Fed, he is in a different league than Nadal. Fed alone sells the match in any match he plays, nadal needs fed or parents to take their kids to the tournament to be as popular

 

[marc45]

1. Brad Gilbert‏Verified account @bgtennisnation 26m26 minutes ago
   I felt bad that so few people rooted for Cheerios Kyrgios he gave everything he had out there tonight vs Fedfan
   
   
   
2. ivo karlovic‏Verified account @ivokarlovic 55s56 seconds ago
   It's like that for everyone vs Fedfan. Except maybe Rafa

.........

Kyrgios:"Wasn't expecting anything less of this match, the crowd."

 

[AceSalvo]

Well, let's just agree to disagree.

Fine. Thats a SAD ending because someone called out on Fed's important point as well. Also you are wrong when you IMAGINE that Nick's antics cannot falter an opponent.

Its upto Cheerios to play the game with sportsmanship. He chose not to, crowd responded in kind.

 

[marc45]

Please stop gravey training Fed, he is in a different league than Nadal. Fed alone sells the match in any match he plays, nadal needs fed or parents to take their kids to the tournament to be as popular

weird gravy train, lots of steak and potatoes there for Nadal too vs. Fed..please

 

[Mr Feeny]

If that's how you see it. To me it didn't look like Kyrgios taking longer between the serve affected Federer's game. On the other hand, people booing or making noise when Kyrgios was due to serve - I imagine all of that was interfering with Nick's game.

I'm with @AceSalvo
It doesn't matter whether it "looked to you" that Kyrgios going over the limit affected federer. It's cheating. There's a rule and you're not supposed to break it. He not only did that but did it consistently, not more than a day after he hypocritical ly called out Nadal for doing it.
The crowd booing a guy who's acting like a brat isn't something he should be shocked about or outraged.
Kyrgios cheating is an issue and just because Federer didn't make a big deal out of it, it doesn't make it alright.

 

[Chadillac]

weird gravy train, lots of steak and potatoes there for Nadal too vs. Fed..please

Yep, Fed is the steak, Nadal is the potatoe. You can have a steak without a potatoe but not a potatoe without the steak.

 

[Sereger]

1. Brad Gilbert‏Verified account @bgtennisnation 26m26 minutes ago
   I felt bad that so few people rooted for Cheerios Kyrgios he gave everything he had out there tonight vs Fedfan
   
   
   
2. ivo karlovic‏Verified account @ivokarlovic 55s56 seconds ago
   It's like that for everyone vs Fedfan. Except maybe Rafa

.........

Kyrgios:"Wasn't expecting anything less of this match, the crowd."

and Delpo

 

[Mr Feeny]

Fine. Thats a SAD ending because someone called out on Fed's important point as well. Also you are wrong when you IMAGINE that Nick's antics cannot falter an opponent.

Its upto Cheerios to play the game with sportsmanship. He chose not to, crowd responded in kind.

Exactly. I don't knw what planet this guy is living on. When a guy says "I imagine player x isn't affecting player Y with his cheating so it's ok", you can only scratch your head.

Some absolutely senseless posts here.

 

[The Green Mile]

Interested to see their press conferences. Usually how long until they're out on YouTube? Anyone?

 

[Mr Feeny]

Please stop gravey training Fed, he is in a different league than Nadal. Fed alone sells the match in any match he plays, nadal needs fed or parents to take their kids to the tournament to be as popular

Completely agree. But I'm just saying there's more appeal in a fed vs nadal match than a fed vs nobody match.

 

[marc45]

Yep, Fed is the steak, Nadal is the potatoe. You can have a steak without a potatoe but not a potatoe without the steak.

Nadal's eaten Fed for lunch too many times to remember...unless you just started watching this year...sorry Beef, they all count

 

[Jackuar]

And crowd factor definitely the x-factor here. Cheering a guy almost every time he misses a first serve at a crucial point is disgraceful.

Cheer Roger all you want, but don't cheer when the opponent misses a first serve. Reminds me of the 2015 USO F.

I said the same in the thread "Nick talent is underrated". Talent will only get you some distance. You have to behave and win the people's support. Crowd support will be a big factor in top level of any sport for that matter when you're competing on thin margins. Expect to see the same with people going behind Zverev in few years.

 

[AceSalvo]

When a guy says "I imagine player x isn't affecting player Y with his cheating so it's ok", you can only scratch your head.

Some absolutely senseless posts here.

yes, Senseless on the highest level.

Example:
Australian Cricket players think that sledging makes them more aggressive and this could get them a wicket. Meaning, If I frustrate the opponent he will falter!

Its the Aussie way, a disgusting trait.

 

[Sereger]

Were the MP's in the 2nd on his serve or kryios? I cant remember but i think they were against the monster serve and nick came up big

Both on Fed's hand. He served at 6-5 and then 8-7

 

[Chadillac]

Nadal's eaten Fed for lunch too many times to remember...unless you just started watching this year...sorry Beef, they all count

Join date is 2015, ive never seen nadal beat fed

 

[marc45]

• 
  
• The Associated Press

KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. -- Roger Federer's season of resurgence took another thrilling turn Friday night when he won a seesaw semifinal against Nick Kyrgios at the Miami Open, 7-6 (9), 6-7 (9), 7-6 (5).

Federer was unable to convert two match points in the second-set tiebreaker but finished off the flashy, unpredictable Kyrgios an hour later.

When Federer hit a service winner on the final point, Kyrgios angrily whacked his racket three times against the hard court. Federer patiently waited until the Aussie was done before triumphantly swatting a ball into the stands.

Kyrgios then gave his racket a fling as the crowd booed before sharing a warm, weary exchange with Federer at the net.

Federer saved two match points in his quarterfinal win over Tomas Berdych. Now he's in the final Sunday against Rafael Nadal, 13 years after their first career encounter, also at Key Biscayne.

There will be a first-time Miami Open women's champion Saturday when Caroline Wozniacki plays Johanna Konta.

Federer won Key Biscayne in 2005 and 2006 and hasn't been to the final since. But the 18-time Grand Slam champion is on the rise at age 35.

He's 18-1 this year, his best start since 2006, including titles at the Australian Open in January and at Indian Wells two weeks ago, and has won 10 matches in a row. None was more harrowing than the latest victory.

A sellout crowd was firmly in Federer's corner, and the big-hitter Kyrgios played the role of unpopular spoiler brilliantly. He drew jeers every time he took his frustration out on his racket, received code violations for swearing and slow play, and complained about the fans when they shouted during a rally in the final tiebreaker.

And then there was Kyrgios' high-wire game, including huge groundstrokes that forced his opponent to play some dazzling defense.

Federer rallied from a break down in the first set, and overcame two set points in the first tiebreaker. He didn't face a break point in the final two sets.

Kyrgios' final risky shot backfired -- a 128-mph second serve sailed long for a double fault. That gave Federer his third match point -- the last one he needed.

The victory was payback for Federer after Kyrgios overcame two match points to win their only other meeting, at Madrid in 2015. That match also was a three-setter with three tiebreakers.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[marc45]

Join date is 2015, ive never seen nadal beat fed

YouTube

 

[The Fedfather]

Fine. Thats a SAD ending because someone called out on Fed's important point as well. Also you are wrong when you IMAGINE that Nick's antics cannot falter an opponent.

Its upto Cheerios to play the game with sportsmanship. He chose not to, crowd responded in kind.

So what? I'm arguing that it wasn't right for the crowd to bully Kyrgios despite his time violations. I did not say Kyrgios' "antics" cannot falter an opponent. It just looked to me like Federer had a problem with Kyrgios' ball bouncing or his slow walk to the baseline.

Yeah, cause booing for no reason and disrupting a player on his serve is the right response to time violation.

 

[Chadillac]

YouTube

Those are like vhs, 4:3 quality, was long ago, i need hd

 

[marc45]

Kyrgios on what he showed: "A lot of fight. I thought I competed for every point. I wouldn't be surprised if [people] found something bad."

 

[marc45]

Kyrgios: "I got a lot of work to do. I'm 16 in the world. There are 15 players better than me."

 

[Inanimate_object]

What a wonderful match. Crowd was difficult, but tough. It's a spectator sport. If the players knew to expect the same distractions that goes with all other major professional sports, it would be far less damaging on their concentration and play. Big things on the horizon for Kyrgios.

 

[Boom-Boom]

Were the MP's in the 2nd on his serve or kryios? I cant remember but i think they were against the monster serve and nick came up big

yes correct

 

[The Fedfather]

I'm with @AceSalvo
It doesn't matter whether it "looked to you" that Kyrgios going over the limit affected federer. It's cheating. There's a rule and you're not supposed to break it. He not only did that but did it consistently, not more than a day after he hypocritical ly called out Nadal for doing it.
The crowd booing a guy who's acting like a brat isn't something he should be shocked about or outraged.
Kyrgios cheating is an issue and just because Federer didn't make a big deal out of it, it doesn't make it alright.

No disagreement from me on the bolded. I still stand by what I said though. Booing when Kyrgios breaks the rules makes sense. Booing when he gets screwed by a loudmouth in the crowd is just stupid and spiteful.

 

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Kyrgios on what he showed: "A lot of fight. I thought I competed for every point. I wouldn't be surprised if [people] found something bad."

Kyrgios: "I got a lot of work to do. I'm 16 in the world. There are 15 players better than me."

Great attitude. Try telling me that Nick isn't turning the corner.

 

[AceSalvo]

No disagreement from me on the bolded. I still stand by what I said though. Booing when Kyrgios breaks the rules makes sense. Booing when he gets screwed by a loudmouth in the crowd is just stupid and spiteful.

Fed got screwed by a loudmouth and Fed was cool and the crowd was cool. Cheerios was jumping up and down like a clown. Crowds come to see tennis not clowns.

Caught you wrong again. You may still chose to fight your fight.

 

[marc45]

I laughed at Nick saying to the chair that he's bouncing the ball...does he not think that counts? ...gotta' little Novak thing going there, will it get worse?...has it gotten worse, thought he was a quick player before?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Much fun was had.

 

[JohnnyMac Fan!]

Doubt it. He's physically and mentally drained after gruesome 3 sets back-to-back matches.

Im pretty sure he aint

 

[marc45]

he's Nicholas now..

Nicholas Kyrgios‏Verified account @NickKyrgios 1m1 minute ago
Another few tie breakers, another epic battle. Well done

 

[The Fedfather]

Fed got screwed by a loudmouth and Fed was cool and the crowd was cool.

Caught you wrong again.

So Kyrgios wasn't as cool as Federer and? That doesn't make it any less stupid for the crowd to boo him after the incident that might've cost him the match.

You wish.

 

[AceSalvo]

I laughed at Nick saying to the chair that he's bouncing the ball...does he not think that counts? ...gotta' little Novak thing going there, will it get worse?...has it gotten worse, thought he was a quick player before?

do you think that he was genuinely ignorant or was genuinely pulling the edges of the rulebook testing its strength??

 

[ppmishra]

Giving it back like a Queen??

Glad the cameras caught her. Pathetic.

Classy wife[/

 

[AceSalvo]

So Kyrgios wasn't as cool ....

I didnt say that and if that was what your summary of my comment, then I am not sure who can help you here. Read my lips :Nick was acting like a CLOWN.

You wish.

I dont have to wish, you are showing it big time.

 

[ppmishra]

So Kyrgios wasn't as cool as Federer and? That doesn't make it any less stupid for the crowd to boo him after the incident that might've cost him the match.

You wish.

Exactly. It's one thing to call out after a point is over. Its quite another to interrupt a player in the middle of a point. Shameful. This is not Davis cup and even then there is no justification.

 

[marc45]

do you think that he was genuinely ignorant or was genuinely pulling the edges of the rulebook testing its strength??

idk, it was odd...I've never heard that used before

 

[AceSalvo]

This is not Davis cup and even then there is no justification.

And there is no justification to going against the rulebook because NAdal does it.

In Nick's case its even worse when you argue with the umpire about the Rules.

Shameful.

 

[marc45]

Ben Rothenberg‏ @BenRothenberg 2h2 hours ago
"Oh my god, shut up! Shut the fu*k up! What the fu*k are you doing?!"—Kyrgios lashing out at crowd at an out call from stands threw him off.

......

like pro wrestling...he is a good heel

 

[TennisFan436]

Interesting response from Federer regarding a crowd that was booing, yelling, whistling and interrupting during Nick's service games.

In your legend's own words: "Nice atmosphere".

Money (nor GS titles) can buy class.

Officially off the FedExpress bandwagon. Enjoy, folks.

 

[ppmishra]

And there is no justification to going against the rulebook because NAdal does it.

In Nick's case its even worse when you argue with the umpire about the Rules.

Shameful.

So what? That still does not make it right.

 

[AceSalvo]

idk, it was odd...I've never heard that used before

Cheaters always find a new way to justify their crap.

 

[marc45]

I just think the consistent cheers for missed serves is the worst...again, did it to Berdych too, as opposite from Nick behavior-wise as you can get...the guy isn't doing anything there but trying to compete...the other stuff he's definitely in on it himself, working against the crowd

 

[AceSalvo]

So what? That still does not make it right.

Booing a cheater is just fine. I would too if I paid to watch a genuine match and ended up watching a cheater. The Cheater will get the point.

 

[AceSalvo]

I just think the consistent cheers for missed serves is the worst...again, did it to Berdych too, as opposite from Nick behavior-wise as you can get...the guy isn't doing anything there but trying to compete...the other stuff he's definitely in on it himself, working against the crowd

Clapping for a missed serve happened in Nadal match too.

So what??

 

[ppmishra]

Interesting response from Federer regarding a crowd that was booing, yelling, whistling and interrupting during Nick's service games.

In your legend's own words: "Nice atmosphere".

Money (nor GS titles) can buy class.

Officially off the FedExpress bandwagon. Enjoy, folks.

Extremely disappointed with his comment but I also hope nick learns from this and develops Novak's 2015-2016 mindset and learns by watching the 2015 us open final.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Someone just get 60's weed and his alter ego out of this thread. I usually laugh at the stupid **** he posts but crapping on Nick after a match like this ?

Well he has reason. K was up 5-4 in last TB with having to next two points. Match really was on his racket. But he lost both points on his serve and the match.