2017 Miami SF - [4] Roger Federer vs [12] Nick Kyrgios

[AceSalvo]

When in the match did this happen? I'd like to check it out.

"Employee got caught doing drugs while at Employer 1. So Employer 2 does not want to hire that employee because of what happened with Employer 1"

Some people here want Employer 2 to just ignore that the employee did drugs and expect no fall out when they hire him..

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

All crowds (outside of Spain) are 95-99% for Roger. This crowd was kind compared to the USO crowds when Fed played Djoker. And Nick's antics contributed to the crowd hating on him.

I don't mind their cheering for Roger at all. But when you make noise during the (important) rallies and applaud 1st serve misses, that's crossing the line. Nick definitely didn't help himself with some of his reactions but on the other hand Djoker didn't perform any antics at the USO and got pretty much the same treatment. Tough for me to imagine Nick not having issues with the crowd even if he was calm all the time.

 

[AceSalvo]

Like trying to pay off an assault victim.

Yep.

 

[DreddyTennis45]

Someone give me the lowdown of what happened please

 

[The Green Mile]

@heninfan99 Nick serving at 5-6, adv in. Just after two consecutive aces lol...

 

[heninfan99]

@heninfan99 Nick serving at 5-6, adv in. Just after two consecutive aces lol...

Thank you

 

[Red Rick]

"Employee got caught doing drugs while at Employer 1. So Employer 2 does not want to hire that employee because of what happened with Employer 1"

Some people here want Employer 2 to just ignore that the employee did drugs and expect no fall out when they hire him..

Step 1. Make ridiculous argument
Step 2. Back it up with incredibly ill-suiting comparison
Step 3. ????
Step 4. Repeat?

 

[AceSalvo]

Step 1. Make ridiculous argument

Ridiculous to you.

Fans care about the product they purchase, the product being "tennis players". So you would sign up for a player who gets regularly foul mouths fans and players?? Same thing as my Employer analogy. Not sure where you cant read

I think the crowds choice was clear even before the Time Violation Warning and the actual Time Violation Cheerios got in the first set.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Well I just caught some 20+ minute highlights and all I can safely say is that Fed Berdych was match of the tournament... Then this happened. The serves, the returns, the anticipation, the depth and angle of groundstrokes, the halfvolley-esque early ballstriking, the CLUTCHness... And the quality of those tiebreaks was unbelievable.

It's hard to believe the incarnations of Fed's opponents that he's overcome the last three rounds. A phenomenal effort so far.

 

[guanzishou]

LOL @ Lahyani losing his voice at 3rd set tiebreak 5-4, when Kyrgios was just about to serve out for the match. Methinks he is a Fed fan and felt a bit sad that Fed was going to lose the match [emoji7]

 

[guanzishou]

I missed it...

I think it was early in 2nd set. 1-2 or something like that. Fed was serving, 15-0. Kyrgios went to change his racquet. The string didn't break. So, some delay there. Crowds started to whistle. Then cameraman pointed his camera at Mirka who was also whistling. [emoji16]

 

[guanzishou]

Someone give me the lowdown of what happened please

Roger Federer beats Nick Kyrgios to reach Miami Open final – as it happened


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/l...l-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[Aretium]

I cant at people blaming federer for the way the crowd behaved. How delusional must you be to honestly think he could control that whole crowd. I know it comes predominantly from certain fanbases but still, so pathetic.

It is funny, because from a psychology perspective the people here are behaving EXACTLY the same as the crowd. They are letting other people's behavior determine their own. Ironic really.

 

[rh310]

Some guy thought it would be funny to shout out "I hate you Kyrgios!!" right before Nick is just about to serve. But it's alright though. Nick's acted like a d1ck in the past, so it's fine to disrupt the match like that. Fed's playing as well, so we'll just make own own calls during extremely important points.

Djokovic is nowhere near Kyrgios in terms of notoriety, yet the USO 2015 final was just as bad. It's not Fed's fault, but he does bring out the worst in crowds.

The USO crowd remembers how much of an arsehole Djokovic has been, openly antagonistic towards the crowd. Both he and Nick have earned what disrespect they get.

That said, what a great match. The talent on that court was incredible.

 

[Sartorius]

Caught the 3rd set live and some highlights, awesome stuff. Federer looked intense and sharp throughout, perhaps even stronger towards the end which is quite impressive.

Nick surely can pack a punch. Less BS, more punches please. He can storm the tour if he can figure that out.

 

[guanzishou]

@heninfan99 Nick serving at 5-6, adv in. Just after two consecutive aces lol...

Lol, I just checked the recording and I found the voice... Sounds like a voice of a chubby man using his hands as a loudspeaker, yelled out "I Hate You Kyrgios". Good that Kyrgios didn't react much[emoji16] then hit an unreturnable serve then he yelled CMOOOOOOOOON lol.

Great entertaining match.

 

[Lord Anomander]

The USO crowd remembers how much of an arsehole Djokovic has been, openly antagonistic towards the crowd. Both he and Nick have earned what disrespect they get.

That said, what a great match. The talent on that court was incredible.

Right, because one should be punished for what he has done until eternity. I'm glad you are perfect though.

 

[octobrina10]

No big deal. She was just whistling. It's not prohibited, is it?

The ATP Rulebook, page 178:
1) Aggravated Behavior
a) No player, their coaches, Physiotherapist, therapist, physician, management representative, agent, family member, tournament guest, business associate or other affi liate or associate of any player (“Related Persons”), or any other person who receives accreditation at an Event at the request of the player or any other Related Person, at any ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournament shall engage in aggravated behavior...¤¤

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/847978358906519552/photo/1

 

[Mr Feeny]

Right, because one should be punished for what he has done until eternity. I'm glad you are perfect though.

"Punished"? What the heck are you talking about?
The new York crowd are allowed to boo whomever they want. They remember Djokovic acting like a female dog after the roddick match in 2008 and choose to boo him. They don't have to like him. And just because they don't, you dont have to go throw a tantrum and cry about it.

They can do whatever they like.

 

[guanzishou]

What music is on the background?

MARTIN SOLVEIG – HELLO

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/martin_solveig/hello.html

 

[Mr Feeny]

The ATP Rulebook, page 178:
1) Aggravated Behavior
a) No player, their coaches, Physiotherapist, therapist, physician, management representative, agent, family member, tournament guest, business associate or other affi liate or associate of any player (“Related Persons”), or any other person who receives accreditation at an Event at the request of the player or any other Related Person, at any ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournament shall engage in aggravated behavior...¤¤

Except that it's not aggravated behaviour. What is though, is uncle toni yelling and screaming from his box, pumping his fists, and distracting opponents.

 

[Mr Feeny]

MARTIN SOLVEIG – HELLO

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/martin_solveig/hello.html

What's the other background music that is usually played at masters events between sets?
It's just music. No words.

 

[malbaker86]

Except that it's not aggravated behaviour. What is though, is uncle toni yelling and screaming from his box, pumping his fists, and distracting opponents.

and what does Uncle Toni have to do with this?!?!?!?!

 

[Mr Feeny]

and what does Uncle Toni have to do with this?!?!?!?!

I'm just pointing out to the fed hating nadal fan girl what aggravated behaviour is. Why are you crying?

 

[octobrina10]

Except that it's not aggravated behaviour. What is though, is uncle toni yelling and screaming from his box, pumping his fists, and distracting opponents.

Yelling/screaming and fist pumping from his box:

 

[octobrina10]

and what does Uncle Toni have to do with this?!?!?!?!

Nothing.

 

[Rozroz]

seems Fed and Kyrg don't like each other..

 

[Mr Feeny]

Yelling/screaming and fist pumping from his box:

Fist pumping n support of her husband after a point is over is one thing. And certainly isn't a distraction.
Toni's illegal coaching (cheating ) is a problem.
Nadal's dad smacking the board in front of him every time his son gets his behind handed to him on a plate is aggravating behaviour.

If you're too dumb to understand the difference, allow me to slow down and dumb it down for you.

 

[Mr Feeny]

seems Fed and Kyrg don't like each other..

On the contrary. Kyrgios is a life long federer fan.
He can't stand Nadal's cheating though and continually calls out Nadal for his cheating like he did 2 nights ago in a match that doesn't involve nadal.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Some guy thought it would be funny to shout out "I hate you Kyrgios!!" right before Nick is just about to serve. But it's alright though. Nick's acted like a d1ck in the past, so it's fine to disrupt the match like that. Fed's playing as well, so we'll just make own own calls during extremely important points.

Djokovic is nowhere near Kyrgios in terms of notoriety, yet the USO 2015 final was just as bad. It's not Fed's fault, but he does bring out the worst in crowds.

Yup, that loud out call from somebody in the audience at 5-4 up in the third set tiebreak. Which may not have been intentional but certainly distracted K at a very crucial point in the match. It's amazing how people are going to great lengths to justify Fed calling it a nice crowd which sort of endorses their behaviour, if anything. Whether a crowd can or cannot be rude is one thing, but they certainly can't behave like dorks and make calls loudly on behalf of the umpires.

 

[octobrina10]

Fist pumping n support of her husband after a point is over is one thing. And certainly isn't a distraction.
Toni's illegal coaching (cheating ) is a problem.
Nadal's dad smacking the board in front of him every time his son gets his behind handed to him on a plate is aggravating behaviour.

If you're too dumb to understand the difference, allow me to slow down and dumb it down for you.

You don't understand the difference between your false stories and facts.

 

[Magnus]

Nick was acting like a d-bag the entire match. Great tennis though.

 

[heninfan99]

@heninfan99 Nick serving at 5-6, adv in. Just after two consecutive aces lol...

I just heard it on espn3 replay online. At least it wasn't said during his motion. hehehe

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Anyhow...for all the claims that Kyrgios was merely an overhype and Fed would destroy him, not only did he not do so, but Kyrgios had the upper hand/breaks which he squandered. It's probably still going to take some time until he is calm enough to work through these situations and not double fault when facing set/match points. But this is a far cry from the player who used to get easily discouraged against opponents stronger than him and give up. I remember the one against Robredo back in 2014 USO when Kyrgios won the first set easily and had the early break in the second and somehow managed to lose in four just because Robredo decided to make it a little more interesting. These were not the most favourable conditions for his style of play, to put it mildly and he should hopefully move on to bigger things from July onwards (i.e. grass and fast HC).

 

[markwillplay]

Well, after watching this tournament I see I was wrong about k. The man has major game and his serve is one of the best in tour, not to mention the fact that it is very reliable. He showed a competitive heart last night the entire match. First set hold aster 10 minutes gave me a clue.

However, his on court shananigans in the past have earned him a villain's reputation and it will follow him whenever he plays another crowd fav.

Fed knows that K has the ability and heart to compete at the highest level now. There is no screaming weakness in his game and he, unlike so many others, will attack with variety. I loved the match. I personally think he needs to acknowledge his previous behavior and let thentennis world know that he intends to turn over a new leaf. Then he needs to stop interacting with the crowd for a while and kill them with kindness every chance he gets.a player with his talent can win crowds over eventually. Needs a coach to guide him I think....but that is just me.

Having said all that, if he remains coachless and continues to play the villain, that could make his ,at he's interesting as well for us.

 

[Magnus]

Anyhow...for all the claims that Kyrgios was merely an overhype and Fed would destroy him, not only did he not do so, but Kyrgios had the upper hand/breaks which he squandered. It's probably still going to take some time until he is calm enough to work through these situations and not double fault when facing set/match points. But this is a far cry from the player who used to get easily discouraged against opponents stronger than him and give up. I remember the one against Robredo back in 2014 USO when Kyrgios won the first set easily and had the early break in the second and somehow managed to lose in four just because Robredo decided to make it a little more interesting. These were not the most favourable conditions for his style of play, to put it mildly and he should hopefully move on to bigger things from July onwards (i.e. grass and fast HC).

Huh? What match were you watching? Sure it was an even competition, but Fed was all over Nick's service games, getting to deuce many times, while winning his own games fairly easily most of the time.

 

[markwillplay]

And by the way, anyone saying Fed had an off night is...off themselves. Thenpressure from across the net to make everything or pzu played a big part in hisHe missing easy forhands and double faulting. Knick pinched him right in the mouth and he survived the fight....he will be ready for Rafa. 2 out of 3 after a full day is a walk in the park for these guys. Rafa will give him more time to hit as well. Great tournament.

 

[tennisaddict]

Someone give me the lowdown of what happened please

You missed the match of the year

 

[Magnus]

And by the way, anyone saying Fed had an off night is...off themselves. Thenpressure from across the net to make everything or pzu played a big part in hisHe missing easy forhands and double faulting. Knick pinched him right in the mouth and he survived the fight....he will be ready for Rafa. 2 out of 3 after a full day is a walk in the park for these guys. Rafa will give him more time to hit as well. Great tournament.

Fed played a good match. He made some silly mistakes, but overall he was rock-solid, especially on serve. The thing that impressed me the most is how Fed stayed focused for the entire match and didn't let Nick get in his head with all the drama (throwing racquets, yelling, doing commedy). Even when Nick seemd to have all the momentum, Fed just wouldn't let go, and it paid off.

 

[TommyA8X]

Huh? What match were you watching? Sure it was an even competition, but Fed was all over Nick's service games, getting to deuce many times, while winning his own games fairly easily most of the time.

Exactly, it was as close of a match as you can get result wise, but Fed had many more chances to break and was the better player overall...

 

[TommyA8X]

Fed played a good match. He made some silly mistakes, but overall he was rock-solid, especially on serve. The thing that impressed me the most is how Fed stayed focused for the entire match and didn't let Nick get in his head with all the drama (throwing racquets, yelling, doing commedy). Even when Nick seemd to have all the momentum, Fed just wouldn't let go, and it paid off.

I think this was Fed's best match in This year's Miami so far (and he supposedly hates night matches there due to wired lighting)...

 

[killerboi2]

More overhyping of Kyrgios I see. Even Berdych nearly beat this version of Fed and when was the last time that mug done anything against a top player? Kyrgios is a one slam winner at best. If the level at the very top of the game gets to the same level as it did around 2010-2013 then he's doomed. Or if 1 player turns up and starts winning nearly everything like 2015, 2004-2007 then he is also doomed.

 

[Winners or Errors]

Huh? What match were you watching? Sure it was an even competition, but Fed was all over Nick's service games, getting to deuce many times, while winning his own games fairly easily most of the time.

Yes, Kyrgios had to work harder than Fed to hold his serve, but he did a great job of protecting his serve all night. Fed is a better returner. That was the primary difference. If Kyrgios can develop a better return game, look out. That's the problem with great servers, however. Most of them never really develop a great return game. We shall see.

 

[Pavla]

I adore Roger and am no fan of Kyrgios' shenanigans. But I gave Nick a standing O in my living room as he walked off court. Really wish Miami had given him a little appreciation for the standard of his tennis.

Also, called out from work to watch this match. No regrets

 

[-NN-]

great, appreciate it. Sounds like a do over could have but wasn't called on that point.

Apparently I've been missing quite something during the past night.

What a scoreline, what a victory. No shame for Kyrgios either, apparently give it his all. It's a mere matter of the fellow starting to do some major damage in the sport.
Sorry to read about the crowd misbehaving...

You both missed a tremendous match -- compulsive viewing. I highly recommend watching it in full.

If not, here are some highlights...

But really, I think this was a special match when taking into account the combination of the level of play, drama, and emotions. I'll remember it for a very long time. There was so much personality and expression in this match from BOTH players. This is as feisty and angry as Federer gets. I don't know if these highlights will convey that and show the reactions of the players between the points.. I haven't watched them.

 

[TennisManiac]

What can I say that hasn't already been said in this thread? I'm so glad Federer beat that d!ck head. I hope Kyrgios never wins a major.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Huh? What match were you watching? Sure it was an even competition, but Fed was all over Nick's service games, getting to deuce many times, while winning his own games fairly easily most of the time.

The match where Kyrgios was the first of either player to break. And was also up 5-4 in the third set tiebreak. If (a) either Kyrgios never got broken again in the first set or (b) he served out two points, he would have won this. So yes, he had the upper hand at stages in the match. I didn't say he had the upper hand ALL the time as you are trying to make it out.

 

[Kalin]

I just saw the replay. The crowd was partisan but much better than what I had expected having read the comments. Of course they will root for Roger; they always do. Both Roger and Nick had one instance when some overzealous guy called 'out' and admittedly Nick's came at the worst moment.

Nick's racquet smash in the end was no big deal; Roger didn't have to 'wait' for him at the net. I would have smashed all my racquets, probably.

One question I have- just before the 'out' call in the third-set tiebreak (which happened after a second serve), Nick's first serve had been called a fault and he didn't challenge it. It was very close and it would have given him 1 or 2 MPs IIRC; Roger had framed the return and it would have been a point. Why didn't he challenge?

Overall, a fantastic match and I think Roger played just a bit better and deserved the win in the end. The overall match stats seem to agree with this.

 

[ppmishra]

Dont count on it.

SAINT Nick: Nick Kyrgios tells fans 'I don't owe you anything' after giving up and walking off court in latest controversy

He couldnt care any more less about the crowd.

This comment from Nick is a slap on the face to ppmishra, The Fedfather, TennisFan 436

Nope, two wrongs don't make it right. That being said, I'm curious to see how they behave in the final on both sides.

 

[1HBH-DownTheLine]

Anyone have a link to Kyrgios post match interview? I wanna see what he has to say lol