2017 Miami SF - [4] Roger Federer vs [12] Nick Kyrgios

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Who wins?

  • Fed in 2

    Votes: 30 25.0%

  • Fed in 3

    Votes: 39 32.5%

  • Kyrgios in 3

    Votes: 36 30.0%

  • Kyrgios in 2

    Votes: 15 12.5%
  • Total voters
    120
Inanimate_object said:
Crowds don't win you tournaments nor do they earn you rankings points. Kyrgios will be fine. And this chip-on-your-shoulder attitude is nothing new in sports. Plenty of successful athletes have thought the world was out to get them and they had to prove a point. Not everyone can show deference to the mob and not all should. I can think of a lot worse competitive motivations to have.
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yeah, but it's also not just the crowd...his box, the ball kids, linesman, chair...media...it's a big chip, gets heavy
 
1HBH-DownTheLine said:
Anyone have a link to Kyrgios post match interview? I wanna see what he has to say lol
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the tournament site doesn't look like it's putting pressers up unless I missed it

this site you might want to bookmark, it catalogs all of those post-match pressers

http://www.asapsports.com/show_event.php?category=7&date=2017-3-30&title=MIAMI+OPEN+PRESENTED+BY+ITAú

you see Nick's name there but it's for the Zverev match..they tend to be up with the new ones sometime later the next day
 
guanzishou said:
I can't understand how this happened:

*Kyrgios Double Faulted in the 1st set to let Federer serve out the set.

*Kyrgios Double Faulted in the 3rd set to let Federer serve out the match!
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It's called 'choking'. Unfortunately for Kyrgios, he was not clutch when he had the chance to close out the 1st set and the 3rd set breaker. No doubt he will learn and chalk this one down to experience. Hopefully anyway.
 
Kalin said:
I just saw the replay. The crowd was partisan but much better than what I had expected having read the comments. Of course they will root for Roger; they always do. Both Roger and Nick had one instance when some overzealous guy called 'out' and admittedly Nick's came at the worst moment.

Nick's racquet smash in the end was no big deal; Roger didn't have to 'wait' for him at the net. I would have smashed all my racquets, probably.

One question I have- just before the 'out' call in the third-set tiebreak (which happened after a second serve), Nick's first serve had been called a fault and he didn't challenge it. It was very close and it would have given him 1 or 2 MPs IIRC; Roger had framed the return and it would have been a point. Why didn't he challenge?

Overall, a fantastic match and I think Roger played just a bit better and deserved the win in the end. The overall match stats seem to agree with this.
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Exactly but all fed detractors want to ignore that it happened to federer too. Nah, both lost the point, luckily for federer he still won the tiebreak 1ste set, unfortunately for Kyrigios he didn't win the 3de. Don't get me wrong I think it's very wrong for te crowd to shout 'OUT' during points but I cant at people ignoring that it happened to both.
 
-NN- said:
Any idea why? I didn't check it since last night. Did shizzle go down?
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I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Sadly, the overlords admit to running a bit of a shotgun policy, deleting whole threads if they rack up a certain number of reported posts, which is a bit like treating cancer with amputation IMO.
 
Sysyphus said:
What the hell, did they just take down an entire match thread? Great stuff.
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Which thread?

Sysyphus said:
I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Sadly, the overlords admit to running a bit of a shotgun policy, deleting whole threads if they rack up a certain number of reported posts, which is a bit like treating cancer with amputation IMO.
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If that works, Imma report me some threads
 
Kalin said:
I just saw the replay. The crowd was partisan but much better than what I had expected having read the comments. Of course they will root for Roger; they always do. Both Roger and Nick had one instance when some overzealous guy called 'out' and admittedly Nick's came at the worst moment.

Nick's racquet smash in the end was no big deal; Roger didn't have to 'wait' for him at the net. I would have smashed all my racquets, probably.

One question I have- just before the 'out' call in the third-set tiebreak (which happened after a second serve), Nick's first serve had been called a fault and he didn't challenge it. It was very close and it would have given him 1 or 2 MPs IIRC; Roger had framed the return and it would have been a point. Why didn't he challenge?

Overall, a fantastic match and I think Roger played just a bit better and deserved the win in the end. The overall match stats seem to agree with this.
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No question. The better and more consistent player who was Roger deserved to win on the day, kyrgios was actually struggling a lot more in the beginning but gutted it out right until 5-4 in the 3rd set Tb. I was surprised he actually took it to a Tb in set 3
 
Lord Anomander said:
Some of his returns ... makes me wonder who is the best returner on tour currently.
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Gilbert and Cahill both said while commentating that Fed has always been the greatest returner either have ever seen of the BIG serves. In his peak, Fed returned Roddick's bombs with ease and last night, he was returning Nick's 135 MPH first serves pretty well. I've not seen Roger return this well in years. It was insane!
 
guanzishou said:
LOL @ Lahyani losing his voice at 3rd set tiebreak 5-4, when Kyrgios was just about to serve out for the match. Methinks he is a Fed fan and felt a bit sad that Fed was going to lose the match [emoji7]
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If Mo had been a Federer fan (and had he been doing his job), Nick would have been defaulted. He smashed 3 rackets and threw his racket once. He used audible obscenities throughout the entire match and he was going 27 seconds between serves. Mo should have followed up on his one "verbal obscenity" warning and defaulted him. After one warning, the next warning is a point, then a game, then default.
 
BeatlesFan said:
If Mo had been a Federer fan (and had he been doing his job), Nick would have been defaulted. He smashed 3 rackets and threw his racket once. He used audible obscenities throughout the entire match and he was going 27 seconds between serves. Mo should have followed up on his one "verbal obscenity" warning and defaulted him. After one warning, the next warning is a point, then a game, then default.
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Umpire should have defaulted the crowd though before Kyrgios.
 
can i just say how much i enjoyed that match? wire-to-wire tension, great shotmaking...and as far as kyrgios's 'antics', man, i hope he doesn't change too much. as long as he's in the match point for point, if he wants to sulk around, smash rackets, get salty...i certainly don't take it personally, it just fuels the drama, drama attracts attention, and that's good for the sport. and btw if kyrgios doesn't win a wimby or two i will be surprised.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
The match where Kyrgios was the first of either player to break. And was also up 5-4 in the third set tiebreak. If (a) either Kyrgios never got broken again in the first set or (b) he served out two points, he would have won this. So yes, he had the upper hand at stages in the match. I didn't say he had the upper hand ALL the time as you are trying to make it out.
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And Fed had match points in the 2nd set tiebreaker. Same deal.
 
Nick just did not play the tiebreaker with the best strategy against Federer! I think if he watchs this match on video, he will see his mistakes!

I am very tempted to buy Nick's racquet and string it and try to break it after paying for it! LOL!
 
DreddyTennis45 said:
In soccer, You get verbally massacred by opposition fans just for taking a throw-in. Cute that that some tennis fans think a guy shouting "out" is one of the worst things to happen in tennis lmao
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rh310 said:
All I'm saying is that first impressions have lasting effects. Like the first impression you've just made on me, for example. Have a nice life.
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Heh. I get your point, all I'm trying to say is we shouldn't base our opinion on a public figure on their first impression. I can only imagine the pressure one feels if the whole world is watching them. In the heat of the moment bad behavior is understandable. I don't want to defend Kyrgios' previous actions, but I'm willing to give him a second chance if he starts to act like a normal person. I don't expect him to become a gentleman on the court.

Of course everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but as I said: we should be careful when we are judging public figures. They could be so different in real life.
 
Bhagi Katbamna said:
Also noticed Severn Luthi signaling Federer to stand closer to return the second serve.
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I saw that too, but it was nothing compared to the blatant coaching that bearded fat guy sitting in front of Nick's mom was dispensing. He was audibly coaching him (cupped his hands and clearly said, "go to the FH!") and coaching him through hand gestures and signals. As usual, Layani was more interested in promoting his own image out there than enforcing the rules.
 
BeatlesFan said:
I saw that too, but it was nothing compared to the blatant coaching that bearded fat guy sitting in front of Nick's mom was dispensing. He was audibly coaching him (cupped his hands and clearly said, "go to the FH!") and coaching him through hand gestures and signals. As usual, Layani was more interested in promoting his own image out there than enforcing the rules.
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I thought back around 2010 that Layani was the best umpire in tennis, but now I'm convinced he's a fraking clown amongst the other clowns(Bernades, etc..).
 
Lord Anomander said:
Heh. I get your point, all I'm trying to say is we shouldn't base our opinion on a public figure on their first impression. I can only imagine the pressure one feels if the whole world is watching them. In the heat of the moment bad behavior is understandable. I don't want to defend Kyrgios' previous actions, but I'm willing to give him a second chance if he starts to act like a normal person. I don't expect him to become a gentleman on the court.

Of course everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but as I said: we should be careful when we are judging public figures. They could be so different in real life.
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I can agree with some of this. However, he's also apt to shoot his mouth off from the comfort of his own Lazee Boy on Twitter to the dump on lowly ranked strugglers like Gastao Elias for no reason other than to bleat about how everyone's picking on Nicky. Crass, mean and petty. This kind of thing tells me that he ain't one of those clowns who's crying on the inside. His sneer goes all the way through.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...s/news-story/5a3d25d89c0c41df3bf21fde48452327
 
I think I heard Nick said to a ball boy:

"Oi, Towel Boy! Where are you going?"

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]

Ball boys are there to handle balls, not towels. Towel service is like a bonus for players. Ball boys aren't being paid for their tough job.


Nick, it is really hard to like you.

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Candide said:
I can agree with some of this. However, he's also apt to shoot his mouth off from the comfort of his own Lazee Boy on Twitter to the dump on lowly ranked strugglers like Gastao Elias for no reason other than to bleat about how everyone's picking on Nicky. Crass, mean and petty. This kind of thing tells me that he ain't one of those clowns who's crying on the inside. His sneer goes all the way through.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...s/news-story/5a3d25d89c0c41df3bf21fde48452327
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Oh brother. That was really disgusting from Kyrgios. What an idiot
 
guanzishou said:
I think I heard Nick said to a ball boy:

"Oi, Towel Boy! Where are you going?"

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]

Ball boys are there to handle balls, not towels. Towel service is like a bonus for players. Ball boys aren't being paid for their tough job.


Nick, it is really hard to like you.

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107]
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I think delivering towel is a part of their job description (kind of). If it is a bonus service, can they cut it off?
 
BeatlesFan said:
If Mo had been a Federer fan (and had he been doing his job), Nick would have been defaulted. He smashed 3 rackets and threw his racket once. He used audible obscenities throughout the entire match and he was going 27 seconds between serves. Mo should have followed up on his one "verbal obscenity" warning and defaulted him. After one warning, the next warning is a point, then a game, then default.
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I believe the system has been modified and no longer works this way, so he would not have been defaulted.
 
What I don't understand is why every event doesn't release videos of the player presser. In this day and age fans like to hear what players thoughts were, but sometimes even at the GS they fail to publish the conference. I don't understand why - it doesn't cost them anything.
 
guanzishou said:
I think I heard Nick said to a ball boy:

"Oi, Towel Boy! Where are you going?"

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]

Ball boys are there to handle balls, not towels. Towel service is like a bonus for players. Ball boys aren't being paid for their tough job.


Nick, it is really hard to like you.

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107]
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They do have towel boys. I'm not sure if they're dedicated to that only, but towels are handled by "boys".
He was rude, but not incorrect.
 
guanzishou said:
I think I heard Nick said to a ball boy:

"Oi, Towel Boy! Where are you going?"

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]

Ball boys are there to handle balls, not towels. Towel service is like a bonus for players. Ball boys aren't being paid for their tough job.


Nick, it is really hard to like you.

[emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107] [emoji107]
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Go and get my dinner ready.
 
here is the text of Nick's post match comments:

Nick Kyrgios: 'The match was on my racquet for most of the time'
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
These were not the most favourable conditions for his style of play, to put it mildly and he should hopefully move on to bigger things from July onwards (i.e. grass and fast HC).
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Disagree, I'd say these were quite favourable conditions for him. Slow HC allows him to get into his opponent's service games and play more rallies while his own serve is still lethal even on these slow courts/conditions. I don't see him having as much success on faster courts until he improves his ROS and movement.

Kyrgios is not really an aggressive 1st strike player people make him out to be, his playing style is more similar to Roddick (who won Miami twice and beat Fed and Nadal there) than Tsonga or Safin.
 
zagor said:
Disagree, I'd say these were quite favourable conditions for him. Slow HC allows him to get into his opponent's service games and play more rallies while his own serve is still lethal even on these slow courts/conditions. I don't see him having as much success on faster courts until he improves his ROS and movement.

Kyrgios is not really an aggressive 1st strike player people make him out to be, his playing style is more similar to Roddick (who won Miami twice and beat Fed and Nadal there) than Tsonga or Safin.
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Agree to disagree. Even last year, he was doing well in Dubai until the weather IIRC got cold and slowed down the conditions, making an already tough match against Wawrinka even tougher for him. I think those injections of pace would be more likely to be winners on a faster court rather than Miami. It may be that he resorted to pushing because he found the surface wasn't rewarding offence as much as he needs.
 
I have also spotted him using the wrist on the forehand (which I don't remember Roddick doing); especially there was a passing shot in yesterday's match where he could use the wrist to change the angle brilliantly. Such shots work better on fast courts where he already has pace to work with whereas on a slow court, he has to really go through the ball and he doesn't seem to enjoy doing that shot after shot in a long rally.
 
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