2017 Paris - General Discussion

[Charleneriva]

2017 ROLEX PARIS MASTERS

Date 30 October – 5 November
Edition 46th
Category ATP World Tour Masters 1000
Draw 48S / 24D / 24Q
Prize money €4,273,775
Surface Hard / Indoor
Location Paris, France
Venue Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy
2016 Champion

DRAW

Qualifying Draw

Past finals

 

[Meles]

Very good chance both Fed and Rafa will dump Paris and that would get Shapovalov direct entry.

Qualifying draw: Friday, October 27, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw probably Saturday.

 

[Charleneriva]

Very good chance both Fed and Rafa will dump Paris and that would get Shapovalov direct entry.

Qualifying draw: Friday, October 27, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw probably Saturday.

Agreed on Shapo but Rafa is playing for sure:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BatTEELgM3T/?hl=en&taken-by=rafaelnadal

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Are Paris ready for this?
Vamos Luca!!!!

 

[BeatlesFan]

Very good chance both Fed and Rafa will dump Paris

There's a 2% chance Nadal doesn't play, what are you talking about? And if Fed continues to get by in Basel in one hour matches, he'll play it as well. Anticipate them both playing. It would be shocking if Nadal didn't play and surprising if Fed doesn't (barring a 3 hour, draining final against Del Po).

 

[Meles]

There's a 2% chance Nadal doesn't play, what are you talking about? And if Fed continues to get by in Basel in one hour matches, he'll play it as well. Anticipate them both playing. It would be shocking if Nadal didn't play and surprising if Fed doesn't (barring a 3 hour, draining final against Del Po).

Fraud and Nadal foolishly hoovering up points in Paris just enhances PCB chances of making WTF. GTFO and rest up. Both have zero business playing this event as it will only compromise their WTF runs.

 

[Meles]

Are Paris ready for this?
Vamos Luca!!!!

Pouille is sitting down in the weak half of the draw at Vienna. He should have made Rome final earlier this year. Wouldn't mind seeing him draw Nadal or Delpo as it seems to be his mission in life to inflict pain on Delpo and Rafa.

 

[Meles]

Just read elsewhere the draw is the same time as Fed's QF match later today.

 

[every7]

Very good thread OP.

Who did the original image on the page with the BW shadows of Nadal / Federer / Pouille playing across the bright coloured pictures on court?

I will not say any predictions until the draw except I hope Nadal wins and I would like some good victories for Victor Troicki in the tournament.

 

[ArcspacE]

That entry tunnel is EPIC!

 

[ArcspacE]

Very good chance both Fed and Rafa will dump Paris and that would get Shapovalov direct entry.

Qualifying draw: Friday, October 27, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw probably Saturday.

I'm 99,9% sure Nadal will play - even posted a pic on Insta earlier training

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Pouille is sitting down in the weak half of the draw at Vienna. He should have made Rome final earlier this year. Wouldn't mind seeing him draw Nadal or Delpo as it seems to be his mission in life to inflict pain on Delpo and Rafa.

When im googling Pouille his gf comes up all the time, she must be popular. She looks like a young version of Birgit Bardot.
He can add more players on that pain list too
I wish him in top 5. He is so fun to watch, his game entertaining. Having playing finals and such will make some epic stuff.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Very good thread OP.

Who did the original image on the page with the BW shadows of Nadal / Federer / Pouille playing across the bright coloured pictures on court?

I will not say any predictions until the draw except I hope Nadal wins and I would like some good victories for Victor Troicki in the tournament.

Why Troicki? Why?

I would love Fedal not winning, but somebody else!

 

[Red Rick]

Just chuck Delpo on the opposite side of Federer.

 

[ArcspacE]

Is the main draw today?

 

[Charleneriva]

Very good thread OP.

Who did the original image on the page with the BW shadows of Nadal / Federer / Pouille playing across the bright coloured pictures on court?

Thanks, every7. But I can't take any credit. Everything is stolen from wiki, getty images (trusty place to admire hella of good quality tennis photos), and the official website, where the collage banner is from.

I like the modern, dynamic design/theme of Paris and Madrid. Some from Paris in the past:

 

[BeatlesFan]

Both have zero business playing this event as it will only compromise their WTF runs.

Nadal isn't winning the WTF whether he plays Paris or not, unless Fed tweaks his back before London. And Fed is fighting for YE #1 at the age of 36 which is a huge deal as well as legacy enhancing. Both have HUGE reasons to play and you know that, Meles.

 

[octobrina10]

The draw:

 

[fedtennisphan]

Well I do hope that Fraud plays Paris and does his WTF hopes in by playing two weeks in a row. Looking forward to the Excusereristas rolling out with more tales of woe.

“Na, Na, Na, Federer is still playing on the tour and you’re mad!”

 

[tennisaddict]

Nadal has cakewalk draw to begin with . Easy SF.

Fed also should not be troubled .

 

[SQA333]

Why Delpo/Zverev again....

Well I do hope that Fraud plays Paris and does his WTF hopes in by playing two weeks in a row. Looking forward to the Excusereristas rolling out with more tales of woe.

Someone's a bit sore about Thiem being 1-4 since the US Open

 

[NBP]

Sock has been in Fed's 1/8 section of the draw all year lmao

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Nadal has cakewalk draw to begin with . Easy SF.

Fed also should not be troubled .

Just curious about how one arrives at such an assessment. Genuinely. I'm familiar with many of the players and the tour in general, and it's just littered with dreck. Seems very little that's predictable, aside from a couple of old legends. And Fed can have bad days.

So... what I'm wondering is what name(s) in his draw might have made you unhappy?

 

[Djokovic2011]

If the best player in the world really wants it, he'll win it. As for Nadal, I'm not sure how much energy he'll want to invest when his eyes are on a much bigger prize just a couple of weeks later.

Comme d'habitude, on verra bien.

 

[tennisaddict]

Just curious about how one arrives at such an assessment. Genuinely. I'm familiar with many of the players and the tour in general, and it's just littered with dreck. Seems very little that's predictable, aside from a couple of old legends. And Fed can have bad days.

So... what I'm wondering is what name(s) in his draw might have made you unhappy?

On current form, avoiding Delpo for 3R and getting Thiem for QF is a bonus . He has a 13-0 against Feli for R2

 

[Deleted member 743561]

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[BeatlesFan]

Fed has the easier draw than Rafa. I think Roger will play Paris with this draw.

 

[underground]

Second quarter by far the toughest, feel like Rafa can go out at the SF stage, but everything pointing towards a Fedal final again.

 

[tennisaddict]

Second quarter by far the toughest, feel like Rafa can go out at the SF stage, but everything pointing towards a Fedal final again.

It is going to be Fedal final unless Dmitrov has some energy. Very lopsided draw

 

[cc0509]

Fraud and Nadal foolishly hoovering up points in Paris just enhances PCB chances of making WTF. GTFO and rest up. Both have zero business playing this event as it will only compromise their WTF runs.

LOL, is that a joke? You think Federer isn't the massive favorite to win the WTF whether he decides to play Paris or not?

 

[User123]

Lmao. Another cakewalk draw for Federer, while all the dangerous opponents being in the top half. But of course Federer fans will find an unbelievable reason why Federer has the tougher draw.

 

[tennisaddict]

Lmao. Another cakewalk draw for Federer, while all the dangerous opponents being in the top half. But of course Federer fans will find an unbelievable reason why Federer has the tougher draw.

Do you even read ? All Fed fans are saying here both Fed and Rafa have cushy draws here

 

[cc0509]

Lmao. Another cakewalk draw for Federer, while all the dangerous opponents being in the top half. But of course Federer fans will find an unbelievable reason why Federer has the tougher draw.

Oh, boo hoo. Maybe Nadal should figure out how to play indoors?

 

[Meles]

LOL, is that a joke? You think Federer isn't the massive favorite to win the WTF whether he decides to play Paris or not?

Apparently Halle and Wimby a week apart caused a flare up of badbackerer for the Summer so yes I think him playing this event is unwise.

 

[cc0509]

Apparently Queens and Wimby a week apart caused a flare up of badbackerer for the Summer so yes I think him playing this event is unwise.

He's in the race for ye#1 with Nadal. Why not try and go for it if healthy as he's the best indoor player by far.

 

[Red Rick]

The only, ONLY thing that matters....

Del Potro's draw. It's not great.



Oh and lol at Thiem getting Fed. O wait, he's not making it past round 3.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

The only, ONLY thing that matters....

Del Potro's draw. It's not great.



Oh and lol at Thiem getting Fed. O wait, he's not making it past round 3.

Fed is having Lucas
Im looking forward to that one.

 

[Charlie]

Lmao. Another cakewalk draw for Federer, while all the dangerous opponents being in the top half. But of course Federer fans will find an unbelievable reason why Federer has the tougher draw.

Switch Fed's and Nadal's position in the draw and you would still say that only Federer has a cakewalk.

 

[User123]

Oh, boo hoo. Maybe Nadal should figure out how to play indoors?

At least he plays it, not like somebody who skips the whole clay season. Federer's draw is a joke, don't even try to argue.

 

[abmk]

Apparently Queens and Wimby a week apart caused a flare up of badbackerer for the Summer so yes I think him playing this event is unwise.

Federer played Halle (not Queens). Has played Queens only once in his career.

 

[cc0509]

At least he plays it, not like somebody who skips the whole clay season. Federer's draw is a joke, don't even try to argue.

Oh, stop it. How many times has Nadal skipped the indoor season? I've lost count.

You need to grow a pair and stop whining about the recent turnaround in the Fedal rivalry.

 

[cc0509]

Federer played Halle (not Queens). Has played Queens only once in his career.

abmk, I haven't really been paying close attention, what has to happen between Nadal and Federer for Federer to become ye #1?

 

[abmk]

abmk, I haven't really been paying close attention, what has to happen between Nadal and Federer for Federer to become ye #1?

Nadal is at 10465 points in the race
Federer was at 8505 ponts in the race when Basel started. He's at 8595 points currently.
(http://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)

If Federer wins Basel, he'll be at 9005 points, 1460 points behind Nadal.

2500 points are at play in Paris and the YEC..

Quite a few scenarios play out from here, let me just list a couple of them , which could have federer taking over #1.

1. Federer and Nadal both reach Paris finals. Federer beats Nadal.
Then Federer wins YEC undefeated with :
a) Nadal going out in RR (unlikely)
b) Nadal winning 2 of his 3 matches in RR, but does not qualify for the semi (unlikely, but still a bit more likely than a) above)
c) Nadal winning 2 of his 3 matches in RR, qualifying for the semi, but loses to federer in the semi. (this is a a very possible scenario, just from the PoV of the YEC)

2. Nadal loses earlier at Paris. Federer still has to reach the final or win Paris and then it goes down at the YEC.

Basically, if Nadal doesn't do well at both Paris and YEC, Federer can afford one loss b/w Basel, Paris and YEC RR.
If Nadal does decently enough, Federer has to win Paris and YEC.

Pretty tough for Federer, but not impossible.
A similar situation to Muray-Djoko last year.

 

[tennisaddict]

abmk, I haven't really been paying close attention, what has to happen between Nadal and Federer for Federer to become ye #1?

Fed will be behind Rafa by 1500 points even if he wins Basel

 

[Chanwan]

Where's the draw? Not on the ATP site yet

 

[cc0509]

Nadal is at 10465 points in the race
Federer was at 8505 ponts in the race when Basel started. He's at 8595 points currently.
(http://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)

If Federer wins Basel, he'll be at 9005 points, 1460 points behind Nadal.

2500 points are at play in Paris and the YEC..

Quite a few scenarios play out from here, let me just list a couple of them , which could have federer taking over #1.

1. Federer and Nadal both reach Paris finals. Federer beats Nadal.
Then Federer wins YEC undefeated with :
a) Nadal going out in RR (unlikely)
b) Nadal winning 2 of his 3 matches in RR, but does not qualify for the semi (unlikely, but still a bit more likely than a) above)
c) Nadal winning 2 of his 3 matches in RR, qualifying for the semi, but loses to federer in the semi. (this is a a very possible scenario, just from the PoV of the YEC)

2. Nadal loses earlier at Paris. Federer still has to reach the final or win Paris and then it goes down at the YEC.

Basically, if Nadal doesn't do well at both Paris and YEC, Federer can afford one loss b/w Basel, Paris and YEC RR.
If Nadal does decently enough, Federer has to win Paris and YEC.

Pretty tough for Federer, but not impossible.
A similar situation to Muray-Djoko last year.

Ok, thanks for that detailed summary abmk.

 

[Meles]

LOL, is that a joke? You think Federer isn't the massive favorite to win the WTF whether he decides to play Paris or not?

He's in the race for ye#1 with Nadal. Why not try and go for it if healthy as he's the best indoor player by far.

The Mannarino match confirms it, no?

 

[abmk]

Ok, thanks for that detailed summary abmk.

you are welcome.

 

[cc0509]

The Mannarino match confirms it, no?

Nah, he can't get up for every match against every Tom, Dick or Harry. The important thing is that he found a way to win on a day when he wasn't feeling it.

 

[Chanwan]

you are welcome.

can anyone point me to the draw please? It's not on the ATP site yet yet everybody here seems to have seen it.