2017 Pure Strike

Right now, I have the Pure Strike strung at 44lbs with Head Hawk Touch 17g. Imagine how much lower I am going to have to string the 18x20 version.
 

Tennis is GOAT

New User
I really enjoy this racquet but I can feel its stiffness creeping into my shoulder. Have any of you had this issue and made any modifications to your frame? I always have played with poly so I don't want to go to a multi but I also don't like poly at anything under 54 pounds because I feel I can't hit out at the ball. Any suggestions? Silicone, lead, or any string recommendations?

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Imago

Hall of Fame
I really enjoy this racquet but I can feel its stiffness creeping into my shoulder. Have any of you had this issue and made any modifications to your frame? I always have played with poly so I don't want to go to a multi but I also don't like poly at anything under 54 pounds because I feel I can't hit out at the ball. Any suggestions? Silicone, lead, or any string recommendations?
Creeping is the word. Racket feels very comfortable but after 10 min of hard hitting, there is a warning in my elbow. I would change the crosses for some old nylon string or natural gut strung 58.
 

RVAtennisaddict

Professional
Not playing the new 2017 PS. But I use the 2014 18x20 non-tour PS, strung with Poly. In one racket drop the tension of the crosses to make a little softer, and pocket a little better. Seems to bother my arm less. 1 is strung 56/54 Big banger/4g soft the other is strung at 52 rpm blast (currently). I have mine with leather bab. grip and 2cm of tungsten tape at 8 and 4:00. I have my tape transverse to match width of frame, and I put it just below the grommet in the black stripes of the racket at that location.

I get a little shoulder pain when I play 2+ hours for 3-4 days in a row, but generally am not having issues.

Racket 1: much better at returns esp against heavy servers
Racket 2: more spin ad ironically a little more control with spin
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I really enjoy this racquet but I can feel its stiffness creeping into my shoulder. Have any of you had this issue and made any modifications to your frame? I always have played with poly so I don't want to go to a multi but I also don't like poly at anything under 54 pounds because I feel I can't hit out at the ball. Any suggestions? Silicone, lead, or any string recommendations?

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I also prefer the feel of mid 50s tension in a poly, and if stiffness is an issue, I've had great success with thin gauged, (medium) soft polys such as MSV Focus Hex 1.10 and Polyfibre TCS 1.15.

If you haven't already, you should measure BL and SW, as those might be way off the average TW metrics. Bab official wrote somewhere +/- 7g was within their QC std (iirc). Ime, and this goes for all mfcs, those grams can easily find their way to any area of the frame ;-)

Bumping the SW (lead @12) and polarizing the frame (adding counterweight in the handle) will result in a plusher, more comfortable frame, but you will both increase SW and static weight, which may or may not be beneficial to your game.
 

Corage8

New User
I really enjoy this racquet but I can feel its stiffness creeping into my shoulder. Have any of you had this issue and made any modifications to your frame? I always have played with poly so I don't want to go to a multi but I also don't like poly at anything under 54 pounds because I feel I can't hit out at the ball. Any suggestions? Silicone, lead, or any string recommendations?

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I'm having the same problem ... I added lead and did a polarized configuration. I'm using Solinco Revolution 1.25 48/45

Yesterday I injected foam and I'm going to test today.

And finally I'm going to do the test with silicone.

I feel an improvement, but my problem is shoulder, elbow and fist ... hahahahaha
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
I really enjoy this racquet but I can feel its stiffness creeping into my shoulder. Have any of you had this issue and made any modifications to your frame? I always have played with poly so I don't want to go to a multi but I also don't like poly at anything under 54 pounds because I feel I can't hit out at the ball. Any suggestions? Silicone, lead, or any string recommendations?

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Take it from me: Get out while you can. After putting the PS17 down maybe 3 weeks ago, my should is still so shot I lack the shoulder strength to pull the blanket up when I'm in bed. Have to use two arms.

Babolat won't care -- they're sales driven, like everybody else.
 

Tennis is GOAT

New User
Take it from me: Get out while you can. After putting the PS17 down maybe 3 weeks ago, my should is still so shot I lack the shoulder strength to pull the blanket up when I'm in bed. Have to use two arms.

Babolat won't care -- they're sales driven, like everybody else.
That's what im afraid of. What racquet have you switched to or are going to switch to?
 

Tennis is GOAT

New User
I'm having the same problem ... I added lead and did a polarized configuration. I'm using Solinco Revolution 1.25 48/45

Yesterday I injected foam and I'm going to test today.

And finally I'm going to do the test with silicone.

I feel an improvement, but my problem is shoulder, elbow and fist ... hahahahaha
Let me know how that goes. I'm not opposed to beefing up the swing weight so hopefully foam or silicone will improve the impact on the arm

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Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
Take it from me: Get out while you can. After putting the PS17 down maybe 3 weeks ago, my should is still so shot I lack the shoulder strength to pull the blanket up when I'm in bed. Have to use two arms.

Babolat won't care -- they're sales driven, like everybody else.
I really don't understand this. The P17 is not an APD or a PD. It hits like a Wilson Blade or a Pro Staff.
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
I really don't understand this. The P17 is not an APD or a PD. It hits like a Wilson Blade or a Pro Staff.
Your SW is probably different. Babolat Quality Control is ****ty
The swing weight on mine is 295. I have several Pro Staffs here. Which one do you think the PS17 hits like? (Warning: I will laugh, no matter what you say.)

I sincerely wanted to keep playing the PS17. Loved it immediately on volleys, and quickly came to love it on groundstrokes.
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
The swing weight on mine is 295. I have several Pro Staffs here. Which one do you think the PS17 hits like? (Warning: I will laugh, no matter what you say.)

I sincerely wanted to keep playing the PS17. Loved it immediately on volleys, and quickly came to love it on groundstrokes.
295? What? You need to send it back to Babolat. That is way outside of spec QC range. It should have the same swing weight as the DR98 and the exact same stiffness and swing weight as a Pro Staff 97 as published on Tennis Warehouse.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Clearly unstrung.
Why would you assume that?

I've gotten unstrung SW specs from TWE on about 10 or so RF97As (matching service), ranging from 292 to 302. Got the exact same range for the Duel G 97 330 (3 frames). So an unstrung SW of 295 puts the frame in the same category as the big boys :)

Btw. I've also gotten an unstrung SW spec of 217 (!) on a PST (TWE matching specs), and owned a TT95 I got measured to 308 with 3g of lead @12. So 295 strung is def not unrealistic.
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
295? What? You need to send it back to Babolat. That is way outside of spec QC range. It should have the same swing weight as the DR98 and the exact same stiffness and swing weight as a Pro Staff 97 as published on Tennis Warehouse.
What I need to do is break it into little tiny bitty pieces for what it's done to my shoulder.

They were swamped on meeting demand. They probably dropped these things on a scale, and if it was within +/- 6g then it passed "QC" such as it was.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Why would you assume that?

I've gotten unstrung SW specs from TWE on about 10 or so RF97As (matching service), ranging from 292 to 302. Got the exact same range for the Duel G 97 330 (3 frames). So an unstrung SW of 295 puts the frame in the same category as the big boys :)

Btw. I've also gotten an unstrung SW spec of 217 (!) on a PST (TWE matching specs), and owned a TT95 I got measured to 308 with 3g of lead @12. So 295 strung is def not unrealistic.
Because I was half awake / half asleep
taking pain medicine for a picked nerve when I posted. Honestly.

If a frame has an avg swingweight of 326 +/3, his unstrung swingweight would falll squarely in the range of an unstrung PS 17 16x19.

If his frame is strung and has a 295 swingweight, it would be going back to authorized Babolat dealer for a replacement.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Since 3g @12 adds approximately 10g to the SW, you have to add 8-10g to beef up the SW to the mid 320s where it should be. Then to retain the balance, you have to add more than that (maybe 2-3x times) in the handle, which makes for a pretty heavy frame, compared to what you have now.

With a SW as low as 295 strung, on a modern frame, you're asking for trouble if you're used to hard hitting. I had a Wilson Pro Open factory strung with syntgut (at rel. high tension) that had a very low SW from the feel of it, that destroyed the shoulder and elbow of my wife (and it was a present from me). I thought it'd be an easy-playing frame, but the tension, low SW and stiffness made it an arm killer. My then regular playing partner (an assistant pro) complained after trying if for 10-15 mns - and he never complained about any frame.

I had a TT95 with a similar issue, and I never got that to work. I beefed it up, but it became way too heavy and almost unplayable.
If I were you, I'd sell that frame (or contact Babolat).
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
What I need to do is break it into little tiny bitty pieces for what it's done to my shoulder.

They were swamped on meeting demand. They probably dropped these things on a scale, and if it was within +/- 6g then it passed "QC" such as it was.
Return it for another one. I had a friend who complained about wrist pain from Babolat Overdrive 110. She had two of these. Only one caused her problems. The listed RA was 63. I measured both frames for weight, swingweight and balance. While I had seen swingweights on Wilson Steam 99S frames vary from 303 to 330 on strung frames, one of her frames was so HH you couldn't measure it per the balance board.

The weight distribution was severely jacked up. Babolat replaced the frame even though it was more than a year old.
 

Sappruski

Rookie
On the silicone, how big of a area would 4.5g be actually?? about a inch on each side of the handle? this is on my list to do to this frame.
 

Pandaroo

New User
I have had some time with my new pure strike now enough to share my views. The last decade, I have been using mostly traditional feel sticks strung with full bed poly at very low tensions. Prince Original Graphite>Volkl C10 Pro>Yonex VCore Tour 97.

My pure strike is strung with RPM 16 at 48lbs. I live in Western Australia, so most of our courts are grass.

Day 1, I played tested it on carpet courts, didn't wow me at all.
Day 2, played it on grass court, big change, feeling it already, started to open up.
Day 3, hard courts, the wow factor was present on first strike

I was very surprised that given its weight is the lowest of the ones I have owned above, from a stability point of view it fared extremely well and I had no issues at all. May be also I prefer playing at low tension so I didn't feel the stiffness as some has claimed. I really enjoyed the plush and soft feel on impact. This is a keeper for me, I am ready to retire my Yonex.
 

Crie

Rookie
I have had some time with my new pure strike now enough to share my views. The last decade, I have been using mostly traditional feel sticks strung with full bed poly at very low tensions. Prince Original Graphite>Volkl C10 Pro>Yonex VCore Tour 97.

My pure strike is strung with RPM 16 at 48lbs. I live in Western Australia, so most of our courts are grass.

Day 1, I played tested it on carpet courts, didn't wow me at all.
Day 2, played it on grass court, big change, feeling it already, started to open up.
Day 3, hard courts, the wow factor was present on first strike

I was very surprised that given its weight is the lowest of the ones I have owned above, from a stability point of view it fared extremely well and I had no issues at all. May be also I prefer playing at low tension so I didn't feel the stiffness as some has claimed. I really enjoyed the plush and soft feel on impact. This is a keeper for me, I am ready to retire my Yonex.
Did you match the specs up exactly the same as your Yonex? Because I can guarantee you, you will like the Yonex more.
 

Pandaroo

New User
Did you match the specs up exactly the same as your Yonex? Because I can guarantee you, you will like the Yonex more.
I was thinking about that after the first hit on Day 1, but after Day 3, I found that in standard stock form is already playing better than my Yonex so I didnt see the need to modify it
 

purdyd

Rookie
Funny was hitting the ps17 today with rpm blast and felt twinge in the shoulder. It was sent back end of demo week anyway.

Didn't check the swing weight.
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
I guess I will always find it interesting how the same racquet can "destroy" someone's shoulder in 2 hitting sessions but another player feels nothing and thinks it is the best ever. I guess it comes down to different technique.
I don't know how accurate the 'shoulder destroyed in 2 hitting sessions' characterization is. Speaking from my experience, shoulder was injured over 4-5 weeks, 7 hrs a week of competitive drills and 1 set a week against a player recently off the ATP tour (ranked ~ 1100). The pain came mostly while hitting overheads and serves. The frame would tend to vibrate on impact, and I'd get a pain spike in the shoulder. I finally figured out that I needed to regroove those strokes for the new frame (I was switching from a 12.3oz frame spec that I'd used for years) but by then the pain was too constant and I had to drop the frame.

Technique is a factor, of course, but so is variation of the frame physics I'd think. I have an APD that I hit great with, and have never had an arm problem while using it 2-3 months at a stretch.

Other people call the APD an arm-killer. Go figure.
 

Waffle

New User
Pure Strike vs and vs tour are currently available only through babalot. Should be released to general public around January.
 

Crie

Rookie
I was thinking about that after the first hit on Day 1, but after Day 3, I found that in standard stock form is already playing better than my Yonex so I didnt see the need to modify it
Thats why you liked the Babolat better... thats why you modify racquets in the first place, so you can compare them with the same specs and see which one is better. Did you even bother reading my question?
 

Crie

Rookie
I guess I will always find it interesting how the same racquet can "destroy" someone's shoulder in 2 hitting sessions but another player feels nothing and thinks it is the best ever. I guess it comes down to different technique.
Technique plays a part in the story, but recoil weight is the main culprit.

Would making the frame more headlight improve comfort or do the opposite?

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Recoil weight is the number for 'comfort' for your racquet. The formula is

R = I - (W)(B-10.16)^2

R = Recoil weight. The number that you feel comfortable with. For me its 165. Average for most people is around 160.

I = Swingweight. Making the swingweight higher increases comfort.

W - Static weight. Decreasing static weight increases comfort, HOWEVER, you have to add weight to make a racquet more comfortable. ETC. I add 10 grams of lead tape at 12 o'clock to my racquet. You add 10 to static weight, but your swing weight will go up way more than 10 points, probably in the low twenties. ALSO, important is you have to put the value in KILOGRAMS. There is a example below.

B = Balance point in centimetres. Making it more Headlight will increase comfort.

Example

171 = 347 - (0.337)(33-10.16)^2
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
It really is very weird. What I realized is that the Wilson Pro Staff has "something" within the entire frame. And the PS17 is totally hollow.
Maybe so. I just find it interesting how players have vastly different experiences with the same frame. Beyond liking or not liking it, but even to it "destroying" someone's shoulder, drastic physical pain, and having to take time off of tennis to heal, whereas another player with the same frame feels nothing.

For me, I really liked the PO7, and I found it to play similarly to other frames with similar specs. Of course, I add weight to every frame I play with to get my usual specs, and I rarely play with a frame in stock form.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Technique plays a part in the story, but recoil weight is the main culprit.



Recoil weight is the number for 'comfort' for your racquet. The formula is

R = I - (W)(B-10.16)^2

R = Recoil weight. The number that you feel comfortable with. For me its 165. Average for most people is around 160.

I = Swingweight. Making the swingweight higher increases comfort.

W - Static weight. Decreasing static weight increases comfort, HOWEVER, you have to add weight to make a racquet more comfortable. ETC. I add 10 grams of lead tape at 12 o'clock to my racquet. You add 10 to static weight, but your swing weight will go up way more than 10 points, probably in the low twenties. ALSO, important is you have to put the value in KILOGRAMS. There is a example below.

B = Balance point in centimetres. Making it more Headlight will increase comfort.

Example

171 = 347 - (0.337)(33-10.16)^2
10g at 12 will not bring swingweight up low 20s. More like 35 swingweight points. Believe me i have access to a swingweight machine.. 10g at 12 is an insane amount of lead in that position. Imo if you have to do that you have the wrong frame. Also for me high swingweight is not good for my arm...
 

Crie

Rookie
10g at 12 will not bring swingweight up low 20s. More like 35 swingweight points. Believe me i have access to a swingweight machine.. 10g at 12 is an insane amount of lead in that position. Imo if you have to do that you have the wrong frame. Also for me high swingweight is not good for my arm...
I don't have a SW machine and I didn't want to do the math, but you get the idea.

Edit: If you are finding detrimental effects with a High SW, than your mechanics are not full developed.
 
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ONgame

Semi-Pro
Tried the pure strike 100 today, strung with RPM blast mains and Wilson sensation crosses.

4.0, all court, OHBH
current racquet is slightly modded Prince Warrior 100 2014 model with ports, 3 grams total at 10&2

Feels nice when I hit the sweetspot, but the sweetspot is as small as a dime.
Very maneuverable, but this is expected from such a light frame.
Off center shots are unforgiving and sent tons of vibration to my arm.
Very little power, compared to my Warrior, that is.
Feels very unstable on most shots.
Felt some pain in forearm after 2 hours of singles and decided to abandon.

Very disappointed with this frame, hope I can demo the 98sqin 16x19 soon.
Very satisfied with the feel of the paint when I hold the racquet at the throat (OHBH)

Anyone here tried both the 100 and 98 would like to share the differences?
 
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Crie

Rookie
Tried the pure strike 100 today, strung with RPM blast mains and Wilson sensation crosses.

4.0, all court, OHBH
current racquet is slightly modded Prince Warrior 100, 3 grams total at 10&2

Feels nice when I hit the sweetspot, but the sweetspot is as small as a dime.
Off center shots are unforgiving and sent tons of vibration to my arm.
Very little power, compared to my Warrior, that is.
Feels very unstable on most shots.
Felt some pain in forearm after 2 hours of singles and decided to abandon.

Very disappointed with this frame, hope I can demo the 98sqin 16x19 soon.
Very satisfied with the feel of the paint when I hold the racquet at the throat (OHBH)

Anyone here tried both the 100 and 98 would like to share the differences?
QC on PS98 is so bad. Their twistweight, recoil weight, and swing weight are HIGHLY under weighed. This is to everyone, not just you. Consider a smaller head size, you should find better success on it.
 

ONgame

Semi-Pro
QC on PS98 is so bad. Their twistweight, recoil weight, and swing weight are HIGHLY under weighed. This is to everyone, not just you. Consider a smaller head size, you should find better success on it.
I play fine with my warrior 100 but I would like a bit more control and stability. I tried RF97 and all of my game seem to have improved except my backhand, which dropped. The only beef I have with RF97 is it is a little too heavy.
Since my warrior 100 is really close to the Pure Strike 98 weight/sw/balance wise I don't really know if PS98 would offer much to my game.
I still would like to try the PS98 and PS vs tour later on, though.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
I play fine with my warrior 100 but I would like a bit more control and stability. I tried RF97 and all of my game seem to have improved except my backhand, which dropped. The only beef I have with RF97 is it is a little too heavy.
Since my warrior 100 is really close to the Pure Strike 98 weight/sw/balance wise I don't really know if PS98 would offer much to my game.
I still would like to try the PS98 and PS vs tour later on, though.
Not sure if you are using the Textreme 100 or the predecessor. I have three Textreme Warrior 100s. All my frames in the last five years have been strung specs of 342 grams static weight, 300 Swingweight, 8 Pt HL which gives them a RW of 170.59 if I remember correctly.

I have two matched PS O7 on order. They will match those same specs when strung. Volk leather grips and Blu-tac as needed to get the balance to 8 PT HL.

Zalive was the first poster I remember discussing recoil weight. He started a thread about it. I didn't know the formula or even the term, but I've played with 12 oz frames since the early 90s. If I don't like the PO7s I will sell them, but I used PDs back in 2010 and demoing doesn't help since I don't like stock 300 gram unstrung frames.

The only way I demo is same specs, same strings over a 3 month period. If I like the frames at the end of 3 months, I stick with them. But I don't use my old frames during the transition period, that makes the transition terrible. Just a method that keeps me from switching frames too often.

I won't hit with the PS O7s until Feb as I am about to have another minor back surgery (microdiscetomy). The new frames are my motivation to recover and get back on the courts as soon as my body heals.
 
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