2017 Rome Masters - General Discussion

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stringertom

stringertom

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Unless Djokovic wins the title, there will be a first time MS1000 winner for the second year in a row (Cilic TRS'16). Before that, it had been nearly 4 years since Ferrer won Paris-Bercy'12.

Can we please have this happen more often NextGen buzzkillers???
 
Krish872007

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
Looking ahead Wimbledon and A Zverev. You are good w draws and ranking.
Any chances for him to be top 8 in the draw? Next best is 16?
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Bit of rough calculation tells me that he's already within the Top 16 in our "Race to Wimbledon" - today's win would put him at 2,525 points with the grass points included in the seeding formula - not accounting for the French Open result of course.

Thiem is at #8 with 3,587.5 on the adjusted scale so it'll be tough for Z to get a Top 8. I would say he needs to reach the RG final and then win at least one of Halle/Stuttgart to catch up with the top group (and would also need Thiem, Cilic & Nishikori to fail at RG). Probably only possible if he wins RG outright and has SF appearances in Halle/Stuttgart.

Imo, a realistic seeding for him would be in the 11-15 range.
 
Steve0904

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Red Rick said:
So annoyed that Zverev is gonna reach a M1000 final before Kyrgios, when all he did was beat Raomug on clay, whereas Nick straight setted Djoko on his fave surface and played Fed and lost due to ******** crowd
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I'm going to assume you said the same in comparing Kyrgios and Thiem last week?
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

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Krish872007 said:
Bit of rough calculation tells me that he's already within the Top 16 in our "Race to Wimbledon" - today's win would put him at 2,525 points with the grass points included in the seeding formula - not accounting for the French Open result of course.

Thiem is at #8 with 3,587.5 on the adjusted scale so it'll be tough for Z to get a Top 8. I would say he needs to reach the RG final and then win at least one of Halle/Stuttgart to catch up with the top group (and would also need Thiem, Cilic & Nishikori to fail at RG). Probably only possible if he wins RG outright and has SF appearances in Halle/Stuttgart.

Imo, a realistic seeding for him would be in the 11-15 range.
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Thanks :)
 
Red Rick

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Steve0904 said:
I'm going to assume you said the same in comparing Kyrgios and Thiem last week?
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Thiem had been getting solid results on clay for eons. Already beaten just about everyone on clay. Already beaten Murray in his only good clay match this year. He just beat Nadal ffs. Zverev's the one who got clubbed like a baby seal and then went to Barcelona specifically to play Nadal and lost to a random journeymen I cant even remember.
 
Steve0904

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Red Rick said:
Thiem had been getting solid results on clay for eons. Already beaten just about everyone on clay. Already beaten Murray in his only good clay match this year. He just beat Nadal ffs. Zverev's the one who got clubbed like a baby seal and then went to Barcelona specifically to play Nadal and lost to a random journeymen I cant even remember.
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But last week Thiem was still a player that hadn't beaten Nadal this year and had never made a M1000 final. Maybe if Kyrgios had decided to get his head out of his ass before Miami this year he would've had other chances to make M1000 finals. The harder worker may get rewarded here. I don't see a problem with that, and it's not like Zverev doesn't have potential.
 
NaomiKonjuhPotapova

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Krish872007 said:
Bit of rough calculation tells me that he's already within the Top 16 in our "Race to Wimbledon" - today's win would put him at 2,525 points with the grass points included in the seeding formula - not accounting for the French Open result of course.

Thiem is at #8 with 3,587.5 on the adjusted scale so it'll be tough for Z to get a Top 8. I would say he needs to reach the RG final and then win at least one of Halle/Stuttgart to catch up with the top group (and would also need Thiem, Cilic & Nishikori to fail at RG). Probably only possible if he wins RG outright and has SF appearances in Halle/Stuttgart.

Imo, a realistic seeding for him would be in the 11-15 range.
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Agree, It's tough because only Thiem defending SF points, Nishikori is round 16 (Merely 160 points), and Cilic 10 points.
 
NaomiKonjuhPotapova

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Red Rick said:
Thiem had been getting solid results on clay for eons. Already beaten just about everyone on clay. Already beaten Murray in his only good clay match this year. He just beat Nadal ffs. Zverev's the one who got clubbed like a baby seal and then went to Barcelona specifically to play Nadal and lost to a random journeymen I cant even remember.
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Hyeon Chung.
 
cc0509

cc0509

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Aussie Darcy said:
Isner making a Masters SF makes me ill. What the hell is up with the tour. Christ.
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But you are ok with WTA titans of the game Bertens and Svitolina making the semi-finals? :rolleyes:

I agree Isner is the weak link but Djokovic/Del Potro, Zverev and Thiem are much better than Bertens and Svitolina. Who? :confused:
 
Aussie Darcy

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cc0509 said:
But you are ok with WTA titans of the game Bertens and Svitolina making the semi-finals? :rolleyes:

I agree Isner is the weak link but Djokovic/Del Potro, Zverev and Thiem are much better than Bertens and Svitolina. Who? :confused:
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Svitolina is a top 10 player and Premier 5 champ, Bertens made the French Open SF last year.

What's Isner done in the last 12 months that's remotely newsworthy?
 
3fees

3fees

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Forecast shows rain till 3 pm Rome Time. We'll see what tennis gods do with the rain.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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cc0509

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Aussie Darcy said:
Svitolina is a top 10 player and Premier 5 champ, Bertens made the French Open SF last year.

What's Isner done in the last 12 months that's remotely newsworthy?
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You were complaining about Isner making a SF of a Masters 1000 and I agree with you but at least the other three players are interesting on the men's side. You have Djokovic/Del Potro and ATG or a slam winner who has been plagued with injuries and is trying to make a comeback and then you have Thiem and Zverev who are two of the youngest players expected to do big things.

Compare that to two of the women who have made the SF in Rome--Svitolina and Bertens and I guarantee you the comparison is laughable. You and their parents are the only people who know who those two players are. They have zero star power. You know that the WTA is bad when Halep is the only person capable of generating some noise. Muguruza is a slam winner so I'll give her a pass and she is capable of playing lights out on clay as we've seen(once a year it seems but she's capable.)

In total seriousness, a year and a half ago I was saying that the WTA players were looking good. You had Serena, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kerber, Kvitova, Muguruza, etc all doing big things and then it all fell apart. The top ten now is a complete disaster for the most part aside from Halep who is doing well at the moment. We desperately need Azarenka and yes, Sharapova back in the mix to generate some income for the WTA.
 
Aussie Darcy

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cc0509 said:
You were complaining about Isner making a SF of a Masters 1000 and I agree with you but at least the other three players are interesting on the men's side. You have Djokovic/Del Potro and ATG or a slam winner who has been plagued with injuries and is trying to make a comeback and then you have Thiem and Zverev who are two of the youngest players expected to do big things.

Compare that to two of the women who have made the SF in Rome--Svitolina and Bertens and I guarantee you the comparison is laughable. You and their parents are the only people who know who those two players are. They have zero star power. You know that the WTA is bad when Halep is the only person capable of generating some noise. Muguruza is a slam winner so I'll give her a pass and she is capable of playing lights out on clay as we've seen(once a year it seems but she's capable.)

In total seriousness, a year and a half ago I was saying that the WTA players were looking good. You had Serena, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kerber, Kvitova, Muguruza, etc all doing big things and then it all fell apart. The top ten now is a complete disaster for the most part aside from Halep who is doing well at the moment. We desperately need Azarenka and yes, Sharapova back in the mix to generate some income for the WTA.
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Your hypocrisy is showing.

For a start, you talk about younger players Zverev and Thiem. Halep and Bertens are 25, Muguruza is 23 and Svitolina is 22. So they are all young and upcomers on the WTA tour.
Meanwhile Isner is like 55 years old and hasn't done anything of late. Sure Zverev and Thiem are young but Zverev hasn't made a slam 4R, neither of them have won any big tournament, meanwhile Svitolina won a Premier 5, Muguruza won the French last year and Halep has won countless titles. Bertens is the outlier but even she has made a slam SF. Zverev hasn't made a slam 4R, come on.. even Tomic has like 5 of those.

You say only I would know who Svitolina is? That's laughable. She has four wins over the reigning world number 1 including a win over SERENA WILLIAMS at the Olympics. If people don't know who she is, it's cause they don't follow the WTA tour, not cause she's unknown. I dare say that Svitolina has done as much, if not more than Thiem has accomplished (compared to their respective tours).

And yes, you have Djokovic/DelPo but that's a QF, not a SF. For the SF''s we'll likely have Zverev v Isner and Thiem v Djokovic.
Zverev, Isner and Thiem have 0 slams, 0 slam runner ups and 0 masters won.

And as for the WTA tour "falling apart", two of the women you listed got pregnant, one was stabbed(!) and one got banned. It's been a pretty hectic 16 months. And yet, i'm still more interested in who possibly will win the 2017 Womens French Open instead of seeing how easy Nadal's draw will be. The only real intriguing match up would be a Thiem v Nadal final which probably won't even happen.
 
cc0509

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Aussie Darcy said:
Your hypocrisy is showing.

For a start, you talk about younger players Zverev and Thiem. Halep and Bertens are 25, Muguruza is 23 and Svitolina is 22. So they are all young and upcomers on the WTA tour.
Meanwhile Isner is like 55 years old and hasn't done anything of late. Sure Zverev and Thiem are young but Zverev hasn't made a slam 4R, neither of them have won any big tournament, meanwhile Svitolina won a Premier 5, Muguruza won the French last year and Halep has won countless titles. Bertens is the outlier but even she has made a slam SF. Zverev hasn't made a slam 4R, come on.. even Tomic has like 5 of those.

You say only I would know who Svitolina is? That's laughable. She has four wins over the reigning world number 1 including a win over SERENA WILLIAMS at the Olympics. If people don't know who she is, it's cause they don't follow the WTA tour, not cause she's unknown. I dare say that Svitolina has done as much, if not more than Thiem has accomplished (compared to their respective tours).

And yes, you have Djokovic/DelPo but that's a QF, not a SF. For the SF''s we'll likely have Zverev v Isner and Thiem v Djokovic.
Zverev, Isner and Thiem have 0 slams, 0 slam runner ups and 0 masters won.

And as for the WTA tour "falling apart", two of the women you listed got pregnant, one was stabbed(!) and one got banned. It's been a pretty hectic 16 months. And yet, i'm still more interested in who possibly will win the 2017 Womens French Open instead of seeing how easy Nadal's draw will be. The only real intriguing match up would be a Thiem v Nadal final which probably won't even happen.
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I don't have hypocrisy. I said that a year and a half ago I thought the WTA was in a good place, a better place than the ATP but it's collapsed and the current top ten is in a dire place.

You are probably one of the only posters on this forum who cares about Svitolina or Bertens. The ATP sf matches are leagues more interesting than the WTA sf matches. It's not close. The WTA is in the worst shape I can ever remember seeing it. There is no consistency, no star power and a bunch of head cases.
 
Aussie Darcy

Aussie Darcy

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cc0509 said:
I don't have hypocrisy. I said that a year and a half ago I thought the WTA was in a good place, a better place than the ATP but it's collapsed and the current top ten is in a dire place.
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Yeah cause 30+ year olds John Isner and Pablo Cuevas are far more interesting for their tour than rising youngsters who've already made waves on tour like Svitolina, Bertens or Mladenovic. :rolleyes:

cc0509 said:
I don't have hypocrisy. I said that a year and a half ago I thought the WTA was in a good place, a better place than the ATP but it's collapsed and the current top ten is in a dire place.

You are probably one of the only posters on this forum who cares about Svitolina or Bertens. The ATP sf matches are leagues more interesting than the WTA sf matches. It's not close. The WTA is in the worst shape I can ever remember seeing it. There is no consistency, no star power and a bunch of head cases.
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"WTA is in the worst shape I can remember, no consistency". More of the WTA top 10 are in the Rome SF's than the ATP top 10 are in their SF's and that's with one QF still underway. :rolleyes: Embarassing. Oh and that's with top 10 Serena, Wozniacki and Radwanska absent. Where's your excuse there? Nah, guess it's just the WTA in bad shape hey. :rolleyes:

Maybe you find Zverev v Isner more interesting (HA), i'd rather watch paint dry, i'm far more interested in the reigning French Open champ Muguruza v top 10 and Premier 5 champ Svitolina. But hey that's just me. Isner's servebotting is about as interesting as watching a scab form.

As for people supposedly not knowing who Svitolina is (lol), that's because this forum doesn't give a single **** about women's tennis. Not my problem some fools don't know who she is. She's done more than Zverev has and is far more interesting than Isner.
 
The Green Mile

The Green Mile

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I rather enjoyed that Isner/Cilic match, a shame Marin knocked me out of SDL in the process though. Thought he was the slightly better player for the majority of the match, but faltered in both TBs.

Huge win for Thiem as well, need to watch that one...
 
Sambuccashake

Sambuccashake

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With a little rain delay, the winner between Djokovic and Delpo can just sit down next to the court and have a drink of water while they announce his opponent making his way in.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

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Hm they definetly should open the other court when rain stops. Separate women and mens matches. But then no one would watch the women and empty seats:oops:
 
cc0509

cc0509

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Aussie Darcy said:
Yeah cause 30+ year olds John Isner and Pablo Cuevas are far more interesting for their tour than rising youngsters who've already made waves on tour like Svitolina, Bertens or Mladenovic. :rolleyes:


"WTA is in the worst shape I can remember, no consistency". More of the WTA top 10 are in the Rome SF's than the ATP top 10 are in their SF's and that's with one QF still underway. :rolleyes: Embarassing. Oh and that's with top 10 Serena, Wozniacki and Radwanska absent. Where's your excuse there? Nah, guess it's just the WTA in bad shape hey. :rolleyes:

Maybe you find Zverev v Isner more interesting (HA), i'd rather watch paint dry, i'm far more interested in the reigning French Open champ Muguruza v top 10 and Premier 5 champ Svitolina. But hey that's just me. Isner's servebotting is about as interesting as watching a scab form.

As for people supposedly not knowing who Svitolina is (lol), that's because this forum doesn't give a single **** about women's tennis. Not my problem some fools don't know who she is. She's done more than Zverev has and is far more interesting than Isner.
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Stop talking about Isner or Cuevas. I'm not talking about them. You were the one who posted that Isner in a SF of a Masters 1000 was a joke. I agree with you but the three other semi-finalists have a lot more excitement surrounding them and better stories than the two no-names Halep and Muguruza are playing the the WTA semi-finals (Svitolina and Bertens. Who?)

Only diehards like yourself care about players like Svitolina or Bertens. They have no star quality. Wozniacki and Radwanska are also two players who couldn't win a slam if their lives depended on it. Wozniacki's tennis is insanely boring.

I'm serious when I said that Halep is the best of a bad lot currently. I'm all for WTA tennis but this is the worst state of the WTA that I can ever recall seeing with a top ten that is abysmal. Without Serena and Sharapova the WTA is in poor shape. They need to have some consistent players with star power. Where are they? Thank goodness at least Azarenka and Kvitova are returning soon. At least they have both won a couple of slams each and some other big titles.
 
Marius_Hancu

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This streaming site showing Delpo Djoko too is back again without that funny login: :cool:

There's this streaming site, covers with crystal quality several channels WTA & ATP, quick switching at your fingers
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click ok
select tennis in the right column, then click the match to BOLD
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3fees

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Congrats to Djokovic blnt Del Potro,, Del Potro did not do bad for his efforts 100K euros and 180 ATP points

recap

Djokovic Takes Perfect Record Into Rome SF

Novak Djokovic extended his FedEx ATP Head2Head dominance against Juan Martin del Potro, prevailing past the Argentine 6-1, 6-4 on Saturday afternoon after rain and lightning delayed their quarter-final match on Friday at the Internazionali BNL d'Italia in Rome.

Djokovic now leads their FedEx ATP Head2Head series 14-4 and has won their past three matches. The Serbian advances to his second consecutive ATP World Tour Masters 1000 semi-final on clay, including his last-four run last week at the Mutua Madrid Open (l. to Nadal).

The World No. 2 will tackle double duty on Saturday: Djokovic will meet Austrian Dominic Thiem in the Rome semi-finals not before 8 p.m. local time.

The 29-year-old Serbian is an undefeated 4-0 against Thiem in their FedEx ATP Head2Head series. Djokovic captured their only prior match-up on clay, last year at Roland Garros, in straight sets.

Another stat in Djokovic's favour: He has never lost a semi-final match in Rome. Against Thiem, Djokovic will be looking to improve to 8-0 in last-four matches in the Italian capital.

Djokovic and del Potro resumed their quarter-final match at 6-1, 1-2, with Djokovic serving, and the Belgrade native picked up where he stopped on Friday. Djokovic hammered del Potro's backhand, pinning the Argentine in his backhand corner and keeping him behind the baseline.

With del Potro serving at 2-2, 30/30, Djokovic engaged del Potro in a back-and-forth backhand exchange before lifting a backhand winner up the line. The next point, Djokovic followed a similar script but ended the point with a drop shot winner for the first break of the set. Djokovic served out the match to advance in one hour and 32 minutes.

Cheers
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Aussie Darcy

Aussie Darcy

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Zverev wins in 2 easy sets. 6-4 6-2. Didn't face a single break point.

First Masters title for him and also the first Masters title for any player born in the 1990's.

Great effort. Poor effort by Novak though.
 
cucio

cucio

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Most excellent tournament and great prelude for RG. DelPo finding his form back, Rafa and Nole alternating brilliant and shaky matches, two youngsters breaking through... Anything can happen, hand Roger a wildcard and let's break out the popcorn! Dream final: Querrey - Isner.
 
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