2018 Baseball Hall of Fame

T1000

Legend
Who do you think gets in this year and who do you think eventually gets in? This years ballot is stacked IMO

First time
Chipper jones
Jim thome
Omar vizquel
Johan Santana
Chris carpenter
Orlando Hudson
Hideki matsui
Andruw jones
Johnny Damon
Livan Hernandez
Aubrey huff
Brad lidge
Carlos lee
Jason isringhausen
Kevin millwood
Jaime Moyer
Scott rolen
Kerry wood
Carlos zambrano

Returning
Barry bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Jeff Kent
Trevor Hoffman
Sammy Sosa
Fred mcgriff
Vlad Guerrero
Mike mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt schilling
Gary Sheffield
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Chipper is a first ballot level player but if they have made Trevor Hoffman wait, anything is possible.

Time to let the steroids issue go...Bonds was a first ballot player before he morphed into Bighead. Once he's in, wait a year for Clemens, Manny, Sosa and reinstate Palmiero on the eligible list.

Moose needs to be inducted ASAP. I think Thome and Vizquel get in but have to wait, just like Martinez and Walker.
 

T1000

Legend
@stringertom

I agree chipper (if the voters weren't dumber than our government officials) is first ballot. Piazza had to wait and he's the goat catcher (at least offensively) so anythings possible.

Bonds has to get in for the hall to have any credibility. You can't have the goat not in the hall of fame. Clemens is a POS and Yankee so I don't care if he gets in ever (objectively he should though). Hoffman is the only other returner that should get in IMO. Manny, vlad, Sosa, and schilling have a strong case to get in. I don't think any of the others should get it.

Besides chipper, vizquel and thome should get in. Vizquel might not which is a shame but that's what happens when you play in the same era as nomar jeter and arod. Andruw jones is the only other player on that list I can see getting in. Johan's career was too short and he completely disappeared after the no hitter that wasn't really a no hitter. None of the other players strike me as hall of fame but I'd have to look at their numbers more before def saying none of them should get in
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
@stringertom

I agree chipper (if the voters weren't dumber than our government officials) is first ballot. Piazza had to wait and he's the goat catcher (at least offensively) so anythings possible.

Bonds has to get in for the hall to have any credibility. You can't have the goat not in the hall of fame. Clemens is a POS and Yankee so I don't care if he gets in ever (objectively he should though). Hoffman is the only other returner that should get in IMO. Manny, vlad, Sosa, and schilling have a strong case to get in. I don't think any of the others should get it.

Besides chipper, vizquel and thome should get in. Vizquel might not which is a shame but that's what happens when you play in the same era as nomar jeter and arod. Andruw jones is the only other player on that list I can see getting in. Johan's career was too short and he completely disappeared after the no hitter that wasn't really a no hitter. None of the other players strike me as hall of fame but I'd have to look at their numbers more before def saying none of them should get in
Look more closely at Walker...MVP, 3-time NL batting leader and second twice, first player since the 30's to hit .360 or better three years in a row, 7-time Gold Glove winner, one of only six players since 1960 to compile a career .300/.400/.500 batting line. He has been snubbed six times for the HOF. The wait should be over.
 

T1000

Legend
Look more closely at Walker...MVP, 3-time NL batting leader and second twice, first player since the 30's to hit .360 or better three years in a row, 7-time Gold Glove winner, one of only six players since 1960 to compile a career .300/.400/.500 batting line. He has been snubbed six times for the HOF. The wait should be over.
I just did a quick check on his home/away splits and raw batting stats. He wasn't anything special on the expos (but he did trend up every year) and he was a completely different hitter on the road when in Colorado (where he won MVP and had 3 batting titles + 2 runner ups). That's why I have a hard time putting him in.

Who would you say are comparable players to Walker? I'd like to look at their home away splits and other advanced stats compared to Walker.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I just did a quick check on his home/away splits and raw batting stats. He wasn't anything special on the expos (but he did trend up every year) and he was a completely different hitter on the road when in Colorado (where he won MVP and had 3 batting titles + 2 runner ups). That's why I have a hard time putting him in.

Who would you say are comparable players to Walker? I'd like to look at their home away splits and other advanced stats compared to Walker.
Oddly enough, Walker hit 9 more HRs on the road than at Coors Field (29 to 20) in his MVP year and in three fewer games. Overall, his offensive splits are a lot higher in Denver but altitude was no factor in his defensive value other than giving him more chances for assists and DPs, The guy had a cannon, making him a five-tool star to go along with his batting and base running skills. When in doubt about advanced stats, look at his fielding (150 assists, 17th all time for RFs; 40 DPs 9th) and his steals (230 for his career). Career WAR is 72.6, good for 56th all time.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
I think they put 4 guys in this year. Chipper, Thome, Hoffman and Vlad. Thome will extra votes because he was the anti steroid guy.

Although if I was filling in a ballot (10 person max) I would have to leave a few guys out.


Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Edgar
Manny
Sosa
Schilling
Walker

Chipper
Thome


Three guys who were all time greats defensively probably get left out. Omar, Rolen, and A. Jones

I'm on the fence with Vizquel he was excellent defensively. Not as flashy as Ozzie but made all the plays and extra one not many other can make. I think he is the third 3rd best defensive shortstop that ever played the game. Mark Belanger is number 1 and in that spot solidly right now (andrelton can make a run at him). I prefer Ozzie just because he made the most ridiculous play imaginable but could be convinced Omar was overall better defensively.

The list of defensive 3rd baseman starts with B. Robinson and Schmidt is a right behind. But Rolen can be lumped in with Santo and Pie Traynor as the that 3-5 group.

CF is probably Tris Speaker and Wille Mays at one and two in some order. And Andrew Jones is probably next or in between. But some would argue he is number 4 below Paul Blair. Those people are Orioles homers and wrong but how good was the Orioles defense in the late 60 through the 70's? Those O's teams were the best defensive teams ever and probably why Jim Palmer is in the hall of fame.

I personally would put all three of them in if there was room on the ballot.
 

T1000

Legend
Chipper vlad thome and Hoffman get in. Hoffman got in on total numbers he was garbage in the World Series don't think he should've gotten in
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I think they put 4 guys in this year. Chipper, Thome, Hoffman and Vlad. Thome will extra votes because he was the anti steroid guy.

Although if I was filling in a ballot (10 person max) I would have to leave a few guys out.


Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Edgar
Manny
Sosa
Schilling
Walker

Chipper
Thome


Three guys who were all time greats defensively probably get left out. Omar, Rolen, and A. Jones

I'm on the fence with Vizquel he was excellent defensively. Not as flashy as Ozzie but made all the plays and extra one not many other can make. I think he is the third 3rd best defensive shortstop that ever played the game. Mark Belanger is number 1 and in that spot solidly right now (andrelton can make a run at him). I prefer Ozzie just because he made the most ridiculous play imaginable but could be convinced Omar was overall better defensively.

The list of defensive 3rd baseman starts with B. Robinson and Schmidt is a right behind. But Rolen can be lumped in with Santo and Pie Traynor as the that 3-5 group.

CF is probably Tris Speaker and Wille Mays at one and two in some order. And Andrew Jones is probably next or in between. But some would argue he is number 4 below Paul Blair. Those people are Orioles homers and wrong but how good was the Orioles defense in the late 60 through the 70's? Those O's teams were the best defensive teams ever and probably why Jim Palmer is in the hall of fame.

I personally would put all three of them in if there was room on the ballot.
Nailed it! Have you stock tips and/or lottery numbers?

Teammates Morris and Trammell also are in.
 
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hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Morris is well deserving and should have been in long ago. Trammel is a borderline guy in my book, the veterans committee can sometimes put guys because they liked them. It will be curious if Bonds and Clemens don't make it on the ballots what happens with the committee. The guys in the 60's taking amphetamines have no room to talk.

Back to this year, I don't know about Hoffman. But what I do know is that Hoffman getting 80% of the vote and Billy Wagner only getting 11 make no sense what so ever. They were essentially equal. Hoffman had more saves, but Wagner had a higher peak and more K's per 9. IMO either they are both in or they are both out. I don't care about no saves record, most meaningless stat in baseball.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Next year it will be Rivera and Edgar getting in. That's it. Mussina (63%this year) will get close but I think he falls short.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Morris is well deserving and should have been in long ago. Trammel is a borderline guy in my book, the veterans committee can sometimes put guys because they liked them. It will be curious if Bonds and Clemens don't make it on the ballots what happens with the committee. The guys in the 60's taking amphetamines have no room to talk.

Back to this year, I don't know about Hoffman. But what I do know is that Hoffman getting 80% of the vote and Billy Wagner only getting 11 make no sense what so ever. They were essentially equal. Hoffman had more saves, but Wagner had a higher peak and more K's per 9. IMO either they are both in or they are both out. I don't care about no saves record, most meaningless stat in baseball.
Wagner was a cancer on every team he played on...run out of Houston, Philadelphia and should have been booted by the Mets... that stuff will lose you votes from the writers who are in the locker room to report when your teammates call you a "rat."
 
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