2018 French Open QF: RAFA (1) vs DieGOAT (11)

The Fellowship of RG


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Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
It's nearly impossible to beat nadal. All the stars must align for that to happen.

1. Must play out of your mind for the whole entire match.
2. Nadal must be playing like crap.
3. There must not be any delays or interruptions, otherwise said player is 99% doomed.

Chances of all 3 happening, long enough for Nadal to lose is nearly impossible.
I don't get this kind of thing. I see where it's coming from, but he can't win forever. At some point he's going to stop being like he always has been.

At some point an average guy, playing pretty average, is going to beat Nadal at RG despite not everything going in his favour.
Why can't today be that day? He's only human.
 

ACE of Hearts

Talk Tennis Guru
Good point. I still think Nadal is winning anyway, but you often see it with Nadal at RG. He wears out his opponents because they're hitting every ball at 110% trying to hit winners, so if it lasts it's only for a set, maybe set and a half max and then they tire out and Nadal destroys them.

The only way nadal’s winning is if he starts zoning. His serve has been atrocious. That has to improve.
 

ibbi

Legend
The standaard question from someone who wasn’t watching: Diego good or Nadal bad?
In the first set Diego was VERY good. If you'll look at Rafa's serve stats they are not good, but that's at least partially because of how much Schwartzman was pouncing on every little opportunity (Nadal was at 48% first serve points won in the first set!) Diego is hitting it way harder than Nadal off both wings so keeping him pinned way back, he hit 20 winners in the first set to Nadal's 3. He's just dominating him, and rattled him to the point that Rafa is missing easy shots he'd never miss in a million years, easy put aways at net, overheads he's normally so safe on, he looks really bad.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
If Nad loses this or loses at all this week, everyone is going to be soooo shocked. I don't get that.
It's like people expect him to go forever.

Winning RG is hard, even if Nadal makes it look easy. If he's not playing well, he will lose.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
Good to see that Schwartzman's efforts are making way for more Fedal cancer.

TTW can never see enough Fedal cancer.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Always the same logic from trolls. Nadal is a lucky **** by willing the raingods for conditions that do not favour him and have been present since the start of the match just so he can get a break when those conditions get extreme enough. Point is, the deficit brought about by that condition would have gotten so large by the point he gets the break that he can't make up for it.

Again, typical hater logic. Everything that happens in the entire world is his fault. Even rain.
It's not his fault, but he's been lucky in the Rome final and now at a very important time here again though to be honest I still think he'd win this. Everyone is going to get lucky sometimes. Though earlier on with the MTO before Diego served for the match then another delay before set point... maybe it's not Rafa who is lucky today but Diego who is UNlucky.

Similar thing with Federer at Wimbledon, had a rain delay one year when Roddick was up a set and a break in the final, and though he didn't win in 2008, I think he was 2 sets down before a rain delay to Nadal? It's just this coming so soon after Rome vs Zverev, people are going to go "wow, again?!" Over the course of a whole career, the rain has probably not favoured Nadal more than any other big player, just seems to be on a roll of it at the moment.

And yeah the conditions might not suit him that much, but that's outdoor tennis for you. Conditions can't suit one player 100% of the time, but if you are the best as Nadal is you should be able to adapt. It's like people moaning about grass becoming worn away at the end of wimbledon and thus slower.... that's the nature of the game. If you want perfect conditions, play indoors... but he doesn't like that. He's still the king of clay even if it gets damp, he can still beat anyone in damp conditions, just at the moment Diego is playing better than him. Very few though could do that over 5 sets so, dampness or not, Nadal is always the man to beat. I don't get why people act like the king of clay becomes flat out useless on it when it gets damp. Give the other guy some credit and also maybe admit Nadal will just have off days regardless of conditions.
 

ultradr

Legend
It's nearly impossible to beat nadal. All the stars must align for that to happen.

1. Must play out of your mind for the whole entire match.
2. Nadal must be playing like crap.
3. There must not be any delays or interruptions, otherwise said player is 99% doomed.

Chances of all 3 happening, long enough for Nadal to lose is nearly impossible.

Federer fans now think Rafa is a god.
Worshiping Nadal now after Federer?
 
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Deleted member 754093

Guest
And your point is? He lost that match because of retirement and didn't take a "fake MTO" and didn't cheat like he often is accused of.
Fair point, but usually when someone retires from a match you usually think "oh god, what's wrong. Is it serious?" and it turned out to be a really minor thing that a lot of people would probably play through
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
It's not his fault, but he's been lucky in the Rome final and now at a very important time here again though to be honest I still think he'd win this. Everyone is going to get lucky sometimes. Though earlier on with the MTO before Diego served for the match then another delay before set point... maybe it's not Rafa who is lucky today but Diego who is UNlucky.

Similar thing with Federer at Wimbledon, had a rain delay one year when Roddick was up a set and a break in the final, and though he didn't win in 2008, I think he was 2 sets down before a rain delay to Nadal? It's just this coming so soon after Rome vs Zverev, people are going to go "wow, again?!" Over the course of a whole career, the rain has probably not favoured Nadal more than any other big player, just seems to be on a roll of it at the moment.

And yeah the conditions might not suit him that much, but that's outdoor tennis for you. Conditions can't suit one player 100% of the time, but if you are the best as Nadal is you should be able to adapt. It's like people moaning about grass becoming worn away at the end of wimbledon and thus slower.... that's the nature of the game. If you want perfect conditions, play indoors... but he doesn't like that. He's still the king of clay even if it gets damp, he can still beat anyone in damp conditions, just at the moment Diego is playing better than him. Very few though could do that over 5 sets so, dampness or not, Nadal is always the man to beat. I don't get why people act like the king of clay becomes flat out useless on it when it gets damp. Give the other guy some credit and also maybe admit Nadal will just have off days regardless of conditions.
It's not that he becomes useless in damp conditions, it's just that he's far more beatable when the ball stays low and that's true on any surface, even clay. Of course he's still a big favourite against anyone but he goes from nigh unbeatable to someone you can hang with from the baseline.

When the weather's really sunny and ball is bouncing very high I've seen even Novak struggle controlling Nadal's spin with one of the best two-handers in the history of the game.
 

Bukowski

Professional
Interesting how the rain delay affects the momentum.. I like how big diego is cracking it to the Nadal BH and opening up the court..
His game plan is working. Lets see how it holds up
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's break down this thread during the long delay...this thread comprises of:

Federer fans who still think Nadal will win
Nadal fans that have always been here and shouldn't be memed
Nadal fans that disappear whenever Federer wins and should be memed
1 Zverev Fan
3 Thiem Fans
 
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