2018 French Open QF: RAFA (1) vs DieGOAT (11)

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chicagodude

Professional
well said - pretty factual and lucid summary (not mentioning the "Therapeutic Use Exemptions" for steroids he has used in the past)
How many years have you now been screaming about possible doping by Nadal (and other players, but mainly Nadal)? Nothing better going on in your life? Seriously, either present the proof to the authorities, which you obviously have based on all your assertions:rolleyes:, so they can ban Nadal and whomever else, or stop whining.
 

RS92

Hall of Fame
As a Murray fan, I'll admit that while the roof may have facilitated Federer's passage slightly I don't think it would have made a difference to the outcome of the match. Still Fed in 4 (albeit slightly tighter) sets for me.
The Olympics was a whole different ball game tbh, that form was derived as a result of losing the Wimbledon Final in that fashion. Completely different day and very different atmosphere. Andy had 95% support and had comfortably beaten everyone up to that point.
He did struggle against Baghdatis and then in the SF against Novak (he won in straight sets but the match was tough as hell most of the time).

But that gold medal match, was for sure one of the best matches of his career.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Murray had won 8 indoor titles and beat Fraud twice before that.
So you're saying it favoured neither of them?

Murray is no Nadal indoors, but is no Fed either...
As a Murray fan, I'll admit that while the roof may have facilitated Federer's passage slightly I don't think it would have made a difference to the outcome of the match. Still Fed in 4 (albeit slightly tighter) sets for me.
The Olympics was a whole different ball game tbh, that form was derived as a result of losing the Wimbledon Final in that fashion. Completely different day and very different atmosphere. Andy had 95% support and had comfortably beaten everyone up to that point.
Well at least I'm not the only one who thinks the roof helped Fed in some way. Thought I lost the plot there.
 

aldeayeah

Hall of Fame
What injury did RAFA have anyway ?? some kind of forearm issue?? Clearly there was something wrong in that 1st set ??????? and how can you play with all that Tape on the arm ?
According to Corretja in spanish Eurosport, putting extra tape in his forearms is something Nadal does in very damp conditions. Rather than injury, it's a sign of discomfort.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Nah, there's no evidence Murray would have pushed that match to 5 sets.

Murray has never pushed a losing slam final to 5 sets.

Murray would have gone down in 4 anyway. Would have won a couple more games at best in each of the last 2 sets.
Okay we can disagree over how Murray would lose--AFAIC that's an unknown, but you at least agree that the roof helped Fed. That was my point.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
He did struggle against Baghdatis and then in the SF against Novak (he won in straight sets but the match was tough as hell most of the time).

But that gold medal match, was for sure one of the best matches of his career.
Oh yeah, forgot about Baghdatis, think he may have dropped 1 set there
It was by far the best tournament for him from start to finish though
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Fair enough, but Rafa’s clearly been told what to do by Moyà. An advantage he wouldn’t have had were it not for rain delay.

It’s mildly annoying. I like to see players figure things out for themselves and Nadal clearly wasn’t doing that on court.
That's irrelevant IMO. Doesn't Diego have a coach during the rain delay as well to tell him what to do?
The fact of the matter is, he needs to be able to have the mindset to jump on the advantage and close it out. It's HIS fault if he fails, not Nadal's. That's why there are only so many ATG players.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
False. Rhythm and Momentum are real factors. Not everybody can just stop and start back right where they left off after being interrupted and that has nothing to o with being "mentally weak" or "unprepared." Just some guys get all the breaks and in this case, Nadal happens to be "some guys."
WRONG.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
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Deleted member 756486

Guest
He first has to beat the Italian Stallion.

When Thiem is off he's really off and anyone can beat him.
True but it’s also true that when Thiem is on he’s really on and he can beat anyone. ;)
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Dude, no. Fed won the second set with the roof open. He was on the verge of getting the break in the third when the rain started. The momentum was with him. It still would’ve been fed in 4 imo.
Fed wasn't on the verge of getting the break when the rain started, but yeah, he had the momentum ...
 
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Deleted member 756486

Guest
Everyone roasting me for my Wimbledon 2012 post. :confused:

You’ve all incinerated me, you’re just jumping in my ashes at this point. :oops::D
 

Feather

Legend
Del Potro has no shot of beating Nadal on clay. Nobody left in the draw does. No one mentally tough enough except Del Potro who doesn't move well enough to stand a chance.
Del Potro may not win but more than his movement, his problem is that Rafa will make him play a lot of backhands. And del Potro slices a lot which Rafa eats for breakfast. But to say Del Potro has no chance is just fanboy stuff
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not really mental midgetry. Look at Stan Wawrinka, won majors when he built up momentum and was in the zone, then would lose in the first round of little tournaments :pmomentum is relevant, anyone whose played tennis knows that.

I'm sorry for your height issues :D
I'm half trolling anyway, but I'm still blaming Schwartzman partly. The truth is that everybody wants Nadal to lose at RG so badly now that the fanboys start saying stupid BS that really isn't true. I think deep down even they know that, but they're too far gone to bring back. Off the deep end so to speak.

And the fact that I had the gall to even partly blame Schwartzman means my Federer fan card will be revoked indefinitely. Not that I care of course. I wouldn't want to meet 95% of this forum in real life, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual for some.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
any update on when/if they are going to resume play today ?
It's brightened up a fair bit now. A sunny spell is projected to arrive in the next 15 mins.

BUT: covers are still on. We might need to allow at least another 45 mins for them to dry, come off and then bring the players back onto court. Play unlikely to start before 8:00pm. Very unlikely to finish this match today.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Only someone that has never played a real sport in their life would disagree. It's a stupid as believing that your level doesn't fluctuate day-to-day. Or if you play great one day and not the next it's because you're mentally weak or unprepared. The logic just doesn't hold up.
I play and have played many sports in my life.

The fact is if these guys can't close out an advantage it's their own fault and that's why you have 15 ATGs throughout history and not 200.
 

Clay lover

Hall of Fame
I'm half trolling anyway, but I'm still blaming Schwartzman partly. The truth is that everybody wants Nadal to lose at RG so badly now that the fanboys start saying stupid BS that really isn't true. I think deep down even they know that, but they're too far gone to bring back. Off the deep end so to speak.

And the fact that I had the gall to even partly blame Schwartzman means my Federer fan card will be revoked indefinitely. Not that I care of course. I wouldn't want to meet 95% of this forum in real life, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual for some.
Loving the reason
 
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