2018 Madrid Masters R2: Novak Djokovic[10] vs Kyle Edmund

Prediction poll

  • Novak in 2

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • Novak in 3

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Kyle in 2

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Kyle in 3

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
So here we go. I don't think kyle has done anything noteworthy after stunning performance at Australian Open 2018. On the other hands, Novak is experiencing the most brutal fall both physically as well as mentally, and passing through worst career span ever as per his high ATG standards

1R results :- Kyle Def. D.Medvedev 6-4 6-0
Djokovic Def. K.Nishikori 7-5 6-4

Who wins and how?
Discuss:)
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Djok may have already hit rock bottom and started coming back up, that last match looked pretty encouraging viewed in a vacuum. I'm going with Djoker in 2.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
I voted Edmund in 3 because I still don't trust Nole's ability to string match wins right now.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I voted Edmund in 3 because I still don't trust Nole's ability to string match wins right now.

Do you have multiple personalities? :confused: You've been posting that you think it's possible that Djokovic will peak in time for the FO and possibly beat Nadal there and yet, on this thread you're worried about Djokovic stringing two solid wins together and being able to beat the gutless Edmund? Which is it? It can't be both.

Djokovic should be able to beat weaponless Edmund. It's the other players possibly coming up in his section of the draw that he has to look out for, i.e. Goffin, Zverev, etc(I haven't looked closely at the draw.)
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
Edmund is still too spacy, I think he chokes somewhere and Joe takes it in 3.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Do you have multiple personalities? :confused: You've been posting that you think it's possible that Djokovic will peak in time for the FO and possibly beat Nadal there and yet, on this thread you're worried about Djokovic stringing two solid wins together and being able to beat the gutless Edmund? Which is it? It can't be both.

Djokovic should be able to beat weaponless Edmund. It's the other players possibly coming up in his section of the draw that he has to look out for, i.e. Goffin, Zverev, etc(I haven't looked closely at the draw.)
Took the words right out of my mouth @BrokenGears.:rolleyes: However, calling Edmund weaponless is pretty clueless given his great forehand and improved serving this year. Djokovic in 2 nonetheless. Nole's burgeonig game should keep Edmund pinned and his forehand neutralized. Routine 6-4, 6-4. Now if Djoko hits short then this could get ugly.:confused:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Actually, weaponless opponents are the toughest to beat when you aren't in decent form because they don't make mistakes or beat themselves.

I think Edmund is going to be a tough match for Djokovic.
And at the same time agree that Edmund's forehand is not a weapon?:confused:

Edmund is not the best grinder so on what basis do your predict this? Your expert opinion would be nice, but if you don't know Edmund's game I am confused.:rolleyes:
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Do you have multiple personalities? :confused: You've been posting that you think it's possible that Djokovic will peak in time for the FO and possibly beat Nadal there and yet, on this thread you're worried about Djokovic stringing two solid wins together and being able to beat the gutless Edmund? Which is it? It can't be both.

Djokovic should be able to beat weaponless Edmund. It's the other players possibly coming up in his section of the draw that he has to look out for, i.e. Goffin, Zverev, etc(I haven't looked closely at the draw.)

Nole hasn't been consistent. That's my only worry. He did well in MC, and then what happened in Barcelona?

If he beats Edmund, I think he will reach the final.

Isn't this Edmund the same one who took Rafa to 3 on clay last yr?

Took the words right out of my mouth @BrokenGears.:rolleyes: However, calling Edmund weaponless is pretty clueless given his great forehand and improved serving this year. Djokovic in 2 nonetheless. Nole's burgeonig game should keep Edmund pinned and his forehand neutralized. Routine 6-4, 6-4. Now if Djoko hits short then this could get ugly.:confused:

If Djoko brings the way he played against Kei, I agree
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Actually, weaponless opponents are the toughest to beat when you aren't in decent form because they don't make mistakes or beat themselves.

I think Edmund is going to be a tough match for Djokovic.

I don't know, even a Djokovic at 75% should be able to beat Edmund I would think. But who knows with Djokovic these days? He's been losing to so many lower ranked players I can't even keep track.

Took the words right out of my mouth @BrokenGears.:rolleyes: However, calling Edmund weaponless is pretty clueless given his great forehand and improved serving this year. Djokovic in 2 nonetheless. Nole's burgeonig game should keep Edmund pinned and his forehand neutralized. Routine 6-4, 6-4. Now if Djoko hits short then this could get ugly.:confused:

Coming from you, that's not very persuasive! :D

I've tried to watch Edmund once or twice in the past and dozed off or lost interest fast. Not for me. Seriously, if he were in a slam final vs Federer, I doubt I'd watch it.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
BrokenGears, post: 12257976, member: 758324Nole hasn't been consistent. That's my only worry. He did well in MC, and then what happened in Barcelona?

If he beats Edmund, I think he will reach the final.

Why? Edmund shouldn't be the biggest issue in his draw. I think he should be able to get by Edmund but I'd worry more about Goffin, Zverev, etc.


Isn't this Edmund the same one who took Rafa to 3 on clay last yr?

I don't know, I didn't watch it. The one or two times I did try to watch Edmund, I didn't see much to be excited about. If Djokovic loses to Edmund, you should probably stop posting for a while! :D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I don't know, even a Djokovic at 75% should be able to beat Edmund I would think. But who knows with Djokovic these days? He's been losing to so many lower ranked players I can't even keep track.

Coming from you, that's not very persuasive! :D

I've tried to watch Edmund once or twice in the past and dozed off or lost interest fast. Not for me. Seriously, if he were in a slam final vs Federer, I doubt I'd watch it.
Admitting you have no idea what you're talking about is a good first step.

Edmund has too many holes in his game right now to make it to the top 10, but I'd give him another year before completely writing him off.;)

Djokovic at 85% got beaten by Taro Daniels so he's going to have to play well again to win this. If he's passive Edmund will dominate him with his forehand. The way Nole played Nishikori I don't think passive will be in his game plan.:oops:
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Admitting you have no idea what you're talking about is a good first step.

Edmund has too many holes in his game right now to make it to the top 10, but I'd give him another year before completely writing him off.;)

Djokovic at 85% got beaten by Taro Daniels so he's going to have to play well again to win this. If he's passive Edmund will dominate him with his forehand. The way Nole played Nishikori I don't think passive will be in his game plan.:oops:

You watch every match between every slug on the ATP whereas I am only interested in and only make time to watch specific match-ups and yet, let's compare our prediction skills shall we? How many times have you overhyped Paire, Pouille, Thiem, Zverev, and about 100 other players? I zero in on what's important!

You miss the big picture a lot, man!

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If you're so confident that Djokovic will beat Edmund, I think I'm worried for Djokovic! :p
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Admitting you have no idea what you're talking about is a good first step.

Edmund has too many holes in his game right now to make it to the top 10, but I'd give him another year before completely writing him off.;)

Djokovic at 85% got beaten by Taro Daniels so he's going to have to play well again to win this. If he's passive Edmund will dominate him with his forehand. The way Nole played Nishikori I don't think passive will be in his game plan.:oops:

I hope Djokovic can beat Edmund because one match I would be interested in watching would be Djokovic vs Zverev. I would want to see if Zverev can keep progressing or if he'll lay an egg vs a 75% Djokovic! :rolleyes:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I hope Djokovic can beat Edmund because one match I would be interested in watching would be Djokovic vs Zverev. I would want to see if Zverev can keep progressing or if he'll lay an egg vs a 75% Djokovic! :rolleyes:
Zedbot kind of answered that question in the Rome final last year. But Zedrot might be another story.:confused: Well Djokovic has a nice draw. I love seeing Big 4 vs the kiddies. So if Nole's past Goffin and not post mortem come then I hope its Shapo waiting.:D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
You watch every match between every slug on the ATP whereas I am only interested in and only make time to watch specific match-ups and yet, let's compare our prediction skills shall we? How many times have you overhyped Paire, Pouille, Thiem, Zverev, and about 100 other players? I zero in on what's important!

You miss the big picture a lot, man!

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If you're so confident that Djokovic will beat Edmund, I think I'm worried for Djokovic! :p
You like to be sensible and I like to be bold. I've never hyped Paire because he has no stats (don't even have to look to know that). Paire in God mode is a sight to see:
I only hyped Pouille some because he had some good clay stats early last year at MC and Budapest. He's failing big time on clay once again and clearly in very poor form. Pouille has never had hype worth stats other than this one period sorry to say.

I've done pretty well with Thiem and Zverev overall and called for their ascension early, but not too early. You can pretty much add Tsitsipas to the clay list. One of my boldest picks was calling for Coric to be a major threat on clay back in January. This was looking really good especially after Miami, but Nole derailed an off Coric in Monte Carlo. Coric dumped vulturing Istanbul last week which makes the Djoko victory ring all the more hollow. Coric just thumped the living daylights out of PCB and delivered on serve and return. The stats show Borna's return game has been surprisingly poor for years. They also show his serve game to be exceptional on clay (servebots excepted). The pieces are in place for a player with better serve game on clay than Nadal and a return game close to Djoko on clay. Borna the beast master may arrive this week. Hold onto to your hat cc.;)
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Why? Edmund shouldn't be the biggest issue in his draw. I think he should be able to get by Edmund but I'd worry more about Goffin, Zverev, etc.




I don't know, I didn't watch it. The one or two times I did try to watch Edmund, I didn't see much to be excited about. If Djokovic loses to Edmund, you should probably stop posting for a while! :D

If he beats him convincingly I mean to say. At least, much more likely

I mean, my initial reaction was Edmund winning in 3 so
 

mightyrick

Legend
And at the same time agree that Edmund's forehand is not a weapon?:confused:

Edmund is not the best grinder so on what basis do your predict this? Your expert opinion would be nice, but if you don't know Edmund's game I am confused.:rolleyes:

Dude. Chill. I'm not predicting an Edmund win. I honestly don't really know who to pick because both are not exactly coming off of a solid stretch of performances. All I said is that I think Edmund will give Djokovic a lot more trouble than some people may think. As for Edmund's forehand being a weapon, no I don't think so. I think he can hit his forehand hard. But that's it. So can every other nextgen firecracker. Edmund's real weapon is his movement and early prep.

Using your optics... Edmund is 23 years old and he hits his forehand really hard when he wants... therefore the guy will win multiple masters based on those two things alone. Haven't you already been embarrassed enough with your predictions of nextgen greatness based on a few hard-hit forehands and a couple of match wins strung together?

Based on your own track record, do you think perhaps that maybe you should consider a different approach when it comes to judging tennis players?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Dude. Chill. I'm not predicting an Edmund win. I honestly don't really know who to pick because both are not exactly coming off of a solid stretch of performances. All I said is that I think Edmund will give Djokovic a lot more trouble than some people may think. As for Edmund's forehand being a weapon, no I don't think so. I think he can hit his forehand hard. But that's it. So can every other nextgen firecracker. Edmund's real weapon is his movement and early prep.

Using your optics... Edmund is 23 years old and he hits his forehand really hard when he wants... therefore the guy will win multiple masters based on those two things alone. Haven't you already been embarrassed enough with your predictions of nextgen greatness based on a few hard-hit forehands and a couple of match wins strung together?

Based on your own track record, do you think perhaps that maybe you should consider a different approach when it comes to judging tennis players?
Well glad you gave your detailed views on Edmund which is what I wanted.:p I'm not predicting Edmund to make the top ten ever, but I could be wrong.:oops:

My track record is actually rather good at what I do; bold predictions and upsets. Held #1 ranking in TTW's power play league when I was playing it.;) If I remember correctly won or placed 2nd at all 4 majors last year.

I use stats to judge upcoming prospects and their chances. Frankly its worked out rather well over the long run, but for shorter periods or as a basis for predicting matches it does not work.

The eye test for players (that most use) is fine, but you'll lose every time without the numbers.o_O
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
Djokovic in 3 sets is my prediction.Then in the 3 round if he wins here he will probably meet David Goffin.Match with Goffin will show where Novak exactly is.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I say Djoko in 2. Not sure how Kyle can do any better than Nishi. Even a 'half' Djoko can keep in control Kyle's FH. And if Kyle doesn't put many 1st serves in, it can end fast.
 

aditya123

Hall of Fame
Kyle Edmund trying hard to cover up the absence of Murray. He is the new ray of hope for the British and I would like him to win one gs in the coming year or so. But today on clay Vs djokovic , it would be a non contest ( yeah I know djokovic is not at his best)
 

junior74

Bionic Poster
Leaving the quality match between RBA and Kohly to see Novak warm up. How lame is that?

Novak in straight sets :cool:
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Took the words right out of my mouth @BrokenGears.:rolleyes: However, calling Edmund weaponless is pretty clueless given his great forehand and improved serving this year. Djokovic in 2 nonetheless. Nole's burgeonig game should keep Edmund pinned and his forehand neutralized. Routine 6-4, 6-4. Now if Djoko hits short then this could get ugly.

This match could be one of these strange rollercoast matches.
 

flyingboris

Legend
And he's BACK! For now. Djoko breaks back to love. He's hit two lines so far, looking pretty good. Shots don't look too penetrating from this perspective, but Edmund struggles with them either way.
 
I usually root for Kyle in any match ups but I am very desirous of seeing Djokovic string together wins, so I've chosen Djoko in 3. As for who really should win this based on merit, I couldn't actually say. Djoko based on past status, of course. But he's just so shaky lately....
 
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