Nah. Not this Djokovic. There are about 20 players who can probably beat him at the FO.
If he doesn't improve there's every chance you're right. He just lost to world number 22.
Nah. Not this Djokovic. There are about 20 players who can probably beat him at the FO.
If Nishilori's form has no consistency why did you rely on him having played a low level event previously? His form has little correlation from one week to the next so it's not relevant.
He would have capitalized in the first set...I'm just saying, players aren't afraid of Djokovic anymore. Do you really think Edmund would have won today if this match had taken place 2-3 years ago? Novak would have capitalized on that 0-40 game on Edmund's serve and would have run away with the match.
The great HC specialist Ramos-Vinolas.4th round. Tbf, he beat Young, Monfils and can't remember the third round opponent. But those two are clowns so...
Yeah, 4th round, you're right. I had the impression he did better.4th round. Tbf, he beat Young, Monfils and can't remember the third round opponent. But those two are clowns so...
I have seen this with Nadal in 2015 too. People actually believed Nadal was on the right path simply because he took 6 games from Nole at MC.
When a player declines, people start living in denial and try to look for encouraging signs anywhere, even when they don't exist.
Me too, just not this year. Next year most likely.It took him a while but Nadal seems to have recovered ok. I don't know how long it will take but I expect Djokovic to win major tournaments again.
No, that one person would be Federer.If it is one person who can, it is Djokovic.
That is not a true decline, it's just a severe lack of confidence, that too after an injury. The same happened to Rafa in 2015.I have seen this with Nadal in 2015 too. People actually believed Nadal was on the right path simply because he took 6 games from Nole at MC.
When a player declines, people start living in denial and try to look for encouraging signs anywhere, even when they don't exist.
The great HC specialist Ramos-Vinolas.
Even I was surprised last year to see Fed peak for a slam on his first tournament back after 6 monthsNo, that one person would be Federer.
Or maybe Nadal if he somehow had to miss the clay masters tournaments and would restart at RG after having that 6-6 record until April.
But Novak? Come on, he needs a lot of preparation in matches and practise, and that is exactly what he shows right now. He cannot trust his talent and shotmaking, he is a worker. That brought him to dominance, but his commitment to the sport stopped after RG 2016, and since then we see the results.
Me too, just not this year. Next year most likely.
Decline can be correlated to many things, not just to the physical aspect. Confidence is also something that disappears when you enter decline phase.That is not a true decline, it's just a severe lack of confidence, that too after an injury. The same happened to Rafa in 2015.
No, that one person would be Federer.
Or maybe Nadal if he somehow had to miss the clay masters tournaments and would restart at RG after having that 6-6 record until April.
But Novak? Come on, he needs a lot of preparation in matches and practise, and that is exactly what he shows right now. He cannot trust his talent and shotmaking, he is a worker. That brought him to dominance, but his commitment to the sport stopped after RG 2016, and since then we see the results.
Decline can be correlated to many things, not just to the physical aspect. Confidence is also something that disappears when you enter decline phase.
Novak is not going to flip a switch and peak at Wimb all of a sudden.
Maybe not Wimbledon, but I think Us Open is a more realistic goal for Nole to be a contender. He'll be back for 2019, that's for sure. He is too good not to, the man has 12 GS.Decline can be correlated to many things, not just to the physical aspect. Confidence is also something that disappears when you enter decline phase.
Novak is not going to flip a switch and peak at Wimb all of a sudden.
Yes it is, especially if it lasts for a significant amount of time.This is a matter of definition. The other poster is saying decline has to be permanent, otherwise it's just a loss of form. Just playing badly isn't decline.
USO maybe, but he is not going to win it. You don't go from beaten by world to world beater when you are playing this bad.Maybe not Wimbledon, but I think Us Open is a more realistic goal for Nole to be a contender. He'll be back for 2019, that's for sure. He is too good not to, the man has 12 GS.
Decline can be correlated to many things, not just to the physical aspect. Confidence is also something that disappears when you enter decline phase.
Novak is not going to flip a switch and peak at Wimb all of a sudden.
It depends if Novak's ego will allow him to. He is a greater player than Agassi after all. And when Agassi did what you said, he was "only" a 3 time slam champion. Novak is a 12 time GS winner now so I doubt his ego will allow him to start from the lowest bottom.I think it is all confidence and a lack of reps. The good thing is that he seems healthy. The bad thing is that he keeps losing early in tournaments, so he isn't getting quality matches in. It is going to take a long time for Djokovic to develop confidence at this rate. It makes me wonder if Agassi suggested to Djokovic that he go and play some challengers for awhile, to get some matches in -- just as Agassi did. Agassi credits that as being the best decision in his career and entirely responsible for his huge comeback from adversity.
I guess Novak beating a pathetic version of Nishiturkey rocked their world. It's pretty obvious he has about 30 minutes of tennis in his legs. He's gone from being a physical beast on court to having almost no stamina.
And still you have endless threads, "Novak to expose Nadal! Nole to win Wimbledon!" Are they even watching the actual matches to witness his horrible form?
He played better today than he has since at least the AO.
While watching today's match, I had a feeling that once Novak failed to capitalize on the 0-40 game on Edmund's serve, that he would lose the match. You know someone is in bad form when you feel he is going to lose every match he plays.I said yesterday after Nishi win that people need to relax and take day by day and not hype him unjustified.
You are right that Djokovic is not in good form, I still think he should be capable of beating Edmund today and that there was small details that made him lose the match.
It's a process, Djokovic has said it so many times.
While watching today's match, I had a feeling that once Novak failed to capitalize on the 0-40 game on Edmund's serve, that he would lose the match. You know someone is in bad form when you feel he is going to lose every match he plays.
Fedr is such a good person~top 30 If he loses his first/second match.
Almost could be unseeded but thankfully Fed is giving a way his seed.![]()
Sorry, that's an unbelievably low bar. He lost to challenger-level players in the second round of IW, Miami and Barcelona. He also has lost weight since the AO and is discernibly gassed after a minimum amount of play.
Never mind he's mentally a cipher, choking to players he would have demolished even in 2007. There is nothing encouraging in 2018 for Novak, it's a free fall. After he loses early in Rome, his ranking will plummet and it's likely he will be unseeded at Wimbledon.
A Fed-Djoker first round would be fun.![]()
It makes me wonder if Agassi suggested to Djokovic that he go and play some challengers for awhile, to get some matches in
No incentive for Novak there – money/sponsorships-wise. So that must've been out of the question in his mind.
Sorry, that's an unbelievably low bar. He lost to challenger-level players in the second round of IW, Miami and Barcelona. He also has lost weight since the AO and is discernibly gassed after a minimum amount of play.
Never mind he's mentally a cipher, choking to players he would have demolished even in 2007. There is nothing encouraging in 2018 for Novak, it's a free fall. After he loses early in Rome, his ranking will plummet and it's likely he will be unseeded at Wimbledon.
A Fed-Djoker first round would be fun.![]()
This was the game in the third set that broke Djokovic mentally and he just gave up!Edmund on serve from 0-40 to win the game! 3-3 now!
He could be ready by the USO if he is devoted. Doesn't look like he is fully devoted right now. Someone fully devoted trying to get back doesn't lose a first set like that today and will show much more fire in their step. He just going through the motions at times and instead of being focused.Me too, just not this year. Next year most likely.
To much stock is put into that bs from TV host. He was up 30 love next game. To suggest he was thinking about losing that game at that point is ridiculous.This was the game in the third set that broke Djokovic mentally and he just gave up!
Good win for Kyle and encouraging for him that he didn't choke the match away when in a position to win it (as he has done so often). Now if he can just build on that momentum and on the confidence that win should bring him!![]()
Unfortunately, I think he will lose tomorrow. It's an all too familiar script. Get a big win, lose the next match. You can be sure Goffin won't let this opportunity slip from him. Kyle just did the dirty job for him. I doubt he would have beaten Djokovic.
Will be rooting for Kyle.
If Novak fails to defend his final points from Rome, his ranking could be pretty low when Wimbledon comes around.
I know what you mean but I keep hoping he will start to build some consistency. Agree with you that Goffin is likely to be a tougher proposition tomorrow but Kyle has the game to beat him, he just needs to keep his brain in gear.
I look for serves around 194km or above because for us that's around 120 mph, and that's pretty much what we expect today. So that appears a bit low.
Grass is different formula anyway...I think the GS ranking that are used are a month earlier then that of the start of FO unless they made a change to that policy!
Djokovic played better today I thought. A bit more improvement in Rome than again at Roland Garros and he's capable of being a force.
This was exactly the same type of sentiment in 2015/2016 with Rafa's losses.
"He's slowly showing signs of improvement"
"His opponent played REALLY well" - despite this happening multiple times during the year
"He just came up against someone zoing, next tournament he'll fare better"
And it took 2 years for Rafa to be fully back at the top.
Bump my own reply. Dint expect this at allKyle Edmund trying hard to cover up the absence of Murray. He is the new ray of hope for the British and I would like him to win one gs in the coming year or so. But today on clay Vs djokovic , it would be a non contest ( yeah I know djokovic is not at his best)
Comes included in the Twin Starter Kit™.~top 30 If he loses his first/second match.
Almost could be unseeded but thankfully Fed is giving away his seed.![]()
Do you see djokovic bouncing back in future like Fed or Nadal did it in the past???Sorry, that's an unbelievably low bar. He lost to challenger-level players in the second round of IW, Miami and Barcelona. He also has lost weight since the AO and is discernibly gassed after a minimum amount of play.
Never mind he's mentally a cipher, choking to players he would have demolished even in 2007. There is nothing encouraging in 2018 for Novak, it's a free fall. After he loses early in Rome, his ranking will plummet and it's likely he will be unseeded at Wimbledon.
A Fed-Djoker first round would be fun.![]()
And still you have endless threads, "Novak to expose Nadal! Nole to win Wimbledon!" Are they even watching the actual matches to witness his horrible form?