2018 Madrid Masters SF: Alexander Zverev [2] vs Denis Shapovalov

Who wins?

  • "Lets gooo" Zverev in 2

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • "This is my court" Zverev in 3

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Pizza delivery boy Shapo in 2

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • Eye poppin Shapo in 3

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
zagor said:
And for once, not featuring 30 something farts.

Well earned for both, Thiem beat Nadal and Zverev is playing much, much better than at MC where he was getting broken left and right.
Click to expand...

he's not been broken even once in 4 matches in Madrid. Only 1 BP faced in 4 matches combined (vs Mayer). :eek:

In Monte Carlo, he was broken 2,7,7,4 times respectively in his matches. total of 20 times.
 
Meles said:
@Poisoned Slice
The Zedbot has returned
Click to expand...
I love it.

''He has found the solution.''
8lzpZL9a_400x400.jpg
 
George Turner said:
I don't see it as a bad match up right now, more a case of Shapos game being too much of a rough diamond atm. And clay isn't Shapos surface.

2 matches isn't a big enough sample.
Click to expand...

Does 2 matches count the Laver Cup as well?

I see aspects that one could consider as a bad match up if Shapo doesn’t improve them. Right now I think he struggles with consistent base liners because he’s too hit or miss. Of course he’s incredibly young still, but it’s not only Zverev. PCB gave him many of the same problems at the USO.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting him to win matches like this yet, and his career is on a great upward trend. I’m just pointing out my keyboard warrior observations.
 
Steve0904 said:
Does 2 matches count the Laver Cup as well?

I see aspects that one could consider as a bad match up if Shapo doesn’t improve them. Right now I think he struggles with consistent base liners because he’s too hit or miss. Of course he’s incredibly young still, but it’s not only Zverev. PCB gave him many of the same problems at the USO.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting him to win matches like this yet, and his career is on a great upward trend. I’m just pointing out my keyboard warrior observations.
Click to expand...

No Laver Cup doesn't count :p I don't really consider Davis Cup matches to "count" either in terms of H2H. Team competitions are a different animal.

For sure Shapo currently has problems against those solid baseliners (for a young player with his style that's not a surprise) it's part of his improving process that he has to learn to become solid enough to beat them. Heck Fedr couldn't beat "solid baseliner" Hewitt in his early years.

When Shapo is more refined we'll see if he really does have a match up issue vs Zverev, too early to say ATM.
 
George Turner said:
No Laver Cup doesn't count :p I don't really consider Davis Cup matches to "count" either in terms of H2H. Team competitions are a different animal.

For sure Shapo currently has problems against those solid baseliners (for a young player with his style that's not a surprise) it's part of his improving process that he has to learn to become solid enough to beat them. Heck Fedr couldn't beat "solid baseliner" Hewitt in his early years.

When Shapo is more refined we'll see if he really does have a match up issue vs Zverev, too early to say ATM.
Click to expand...
Nalby gave young fedr fits too!
 
Zebrev said:
Everytime I hear some TTW expert in future talk about Zverev as a talentlesa pretender, and Shapo as a true prince of tennis, I'll refer them back to this match..
Click to expand...

And if you do so, make sure you correct the parameters of your errant assumption. ;)

Nobody here has claimed Zverev is "talent-less" or "a pretender." Endless posters instead have claimed he is:

Self-entitled
Conceited
A total freakin' brat
One dimensional game with zero net skills (and Z admits himself "I won't volley and can't volley"-- March, 2018).
------------------
So what you claim was pulled out of your imagination.

Second imagined point: "Shapo is a true prince of tennis."

I can't remember one poster claiming Denis was the "true future Prince of tennis." Post a link to that fantasy, please. Make sure the words "future" and "Prince" are in the same sentence. This is what posters have actually been saying about Denis:

1. He's a work in progress
2. He is more talented (except for Nick) of any next Gen player
3. He's polite, well grounded and a decent kid.

Post the truth and not hyperbolic nonsense. Thank you.
 
paranoidandroid said:
I’ll give him credit where credit is due, he’s by far the best of the next gen thus far, not really saying much since next gen is hilariously awful but still credit where it’s due.

His tennis is just boring to me, I don’t like his attitude or demeanour, he makes young Djokovic look humble.
Click to expand...
delete
 
First off, hats off to Zverev. He was solid. He's been solid all tournament.

While I don't necessarily love his personality, I've always wondered why people here on TTW give him such a hard time and don't respect his talent.
I can't count how many times I've seen people raise the "he can't win in Slams so he will not amount to anything" argument. Give him time. He's been one of the most consistent players out there. He's only 21.

While I am definitely a Shapo fan, first and foremost, I can still admire the talent and focus of Zed. So what if he's a bit arrogant. Do any of us truly know him?

Congrats to Sascha...it was a well deserved win.
 
Mike Sams said:
Only thing that worries me is his height. It's harder for 6'6 guys to stay healthy, season after season. They're not as robust as shorter guys.
Click to expand...
He seems a little more fluid and flexible for someone over 6'2" than most and still getting physically stronger. I think he will be OK if he manages the small injuries early and doesn't try to bulk up. He only needs a little more leg strength Imo...
 
gogo said:
First off, hats off to Zverev. He was solid. He's been solid all tournament.

While I don't necessarily love his personality, I've always wondered why people here on TTW give him such a hard time and don't respect his talent.
I can't count how many times I've seen people raise the "he can't win in Slams so he will not amount to anything" argument. Give him time. He's been one of the most consistent players out there. He's only 21.

While I am definitely a Shapo fan, first and foremost, I can still admire the talent and focus of Zed. So what if he's a bit arrogant. Do any of us truly know him?

Congrats to Sascha...it was a well deserved win.
Click to expand...

I think you just hit the nail on the head. For some people in this forum, if not the vast majority, it's impossible to be a fan of someone (insert the name of any young player here) and respect their direct competition (in this case, Zverev). At the moment when the opponent starts to have good results, and their favorite young player isn't doing quite as well yet, hatred begins to appear. They can't realize not everything is black and white. We don't have to label the players as 'heroes' and 'villains', to adore and support one and, by default, bash the opponent. They all bring different things to the sport and it's possible to appreciate them for that, regardless of whether they prefer a type of game such as Shapovalov's or Tiafoe's.
 
Alba Barragan said:
I think you just hit the nail on the head. For some people in this forum, if not the vast majority, it's impossible to be a fan of someone (insert the name of any young player here) and respect their direct competition (in this case, Zverev). At the moment when the opponent starts to have good results, and their favorite young player isn't doing quite as well yet, hatred begins to appear. They can't realize not everything is black and white. We don't have to label the players as 'heroes' and 'villains', to adore and support one and, by default, bash the opponent. They all bring different things to the sport and it's possible to appreciate them for that, regardless of whether they prefer a type of game such as Shapovalov's or Tiafoe's.
Click to expand...
Was right there with you till that last word...so it's all wrong.
 
Alba Barragan said:
I think you just hit the nail on the head. For some people in this forum, if not the vast majority, it's impossible to be a fan of someone (insert the name of any young player here) and respect their direct competition (in this case, Zverev). At the moment when the opponent starts to have good results, and their favorite young player isn't doing quite as well yet, hatred begins to appear. They can't realize not everything is black and white. We don't have to label the players as 'heroes' and 'villains', to adore and support one and, by default, bash the opponent. They all bring different things to the sport and it's possible to appreciate them for that, regardless of whether they prefer a type of game such as Shapovalov's or Tiafoe's.
Click to expand...

Thanks. Well said.
One change to your comment that I would make (just my opinion) is to remove the word "young".
 
veroniquem said:
OMG the comments in this thread :D's.
I can't get over how jealous the guys are of super handsome future #1 :eek: ;)
Giraffe is amazing. Love him to bits :)
And another master final to his resume!!! Should be a smashing one against inspired zebra!!
Shap is still a teen. Leave him some time. He'll be awesome too except he'll never have that lethal Z serve of course
Click to expand...


I'm happy for your guy. I think he's talented.

But then you said that Shapo will never have a lethal serve like Z. You lost me there.
There's no guarantee that Shapo will be right at the top, but he absolutely has an amazing serve for a 19 year old. Every bit as good as Zverev's, I believe. Zverev definitely has more consistency all-round though. Shapo needs to learn how to return serves generally!
 
@Meles, I don't know what to make of your opinion. You didn't like to support Shapo before this tournament and suddenly you jumped on, no, over, the bandwagon. When he lost this match you were quick to throw him under the bus.

"Ive been saying since shanghai zverev has flattered to deceive and later i think shapo will tear him apart.
Shapo does everything bigger here now in 2018 and with zedrots cumbersome movement i can see him getting creamed in straight sets."

So, are you a 'believer' or not? Asking for a friend.
 
mellowyellow said:
Was right there with you till that last word...so it's all wrong.
Click to expand...

LOL sorry :oops: I just wanted to put another player there other than Shapo. I thought of Thiem for a while but he also receives tons of hate in this forum. Tiafoe is the only I could remember that's more liked than disliked, but it's honestly hard to find anyone who can come close to how adored Shapo is here.

gogo said:
Thanks. Well said.
One change to your comment that I would make (just my opinion) is to remove the word "young".
Click to expand...

Yes, my point can be extended to pretty much anyone with their favorite player, regardless of the player's age. But I thought it was necessary for me to put the word 'young' there so people won't feel like I was putting Zverev at the same level of other older, more accomplished players. People here can get offended quite easily, so I preferred to play safe. ;)
 
BeatlesFan said:
Why are you Zedaholics celebrating right now? He hasn't even won the event yet and he won't win it. Dom is bringing down the hammer on Herr Conceited tomorrow. Ya heard it heard second.
Click to expand...

We're coming from a very long and depressing bad streak since the end of last year, each match won is a sweet victory for us, let us enjoy :p
 
mellowyellow said:
Was right there with you till that last word...so it's all wrong.
Click to expand...

So what's your problem with Tiafoe? Now that I see you complained that he always gets "gifts" for draws and you think it's rigged. (In spite of him having a mixed level of draw luck.)
You seem to have a hate on for him. What is it?
 
Alba Barragan said:
We're coming from a very long and depressing bad streak since the end of last year, each match won is a sweet victory for us, let us enjoy :p
Click to expand...
Fair enough, good point. But just remember this tomorrow when the Austrian triumphs to save many of us from crushing depression. Remember these immortal words after the final (and looky whose totin' the trophy behind Herr Giraffe...)
tumblr_oxkxjkwjU11wan7amo1_500.gif
 
BeatlesFan said:
Fair enough, good point. But just remember this tomorrow when the Austrian triumphs to save many of us from crushing depression. Remember these immortal words after the final (and looky whose totin' the trophy behind Herr Giraffe...)
tumblr_oxkxjkwjU11wan7amo1_500.gif
Click to expand...

Needless to say, there won't be celebrations from our part tomorrow if Thiem wins. I dare say you won't even find activity of any kind from most of us :oops:

giphy.gif
 
BeatlesFan said:
Why are you Zedaholics celebrating right now? He hasn't even won the event yet and he won't win it. Dom is bringing down the hammer on Herr Conceited tomorrow. Ya heard it heard second.
Click to expand...
This is more some kind of complex jinxing ritual.:p
 
gogo said:
I'm happy for your guy. I think he's talented.

But then you said that Shapo will never have a lethal serve like Z. You lost me there.
There's no guarantee that Shapo will be right at the top, but he absolutely has an amazing serve for a 19 year old. Every bit as good as Zverev's, I believe. Zverev definitely has more consistency all-round though. Shapo needs to learn how to return serves generally!
Click to expand...
It's not that Shapo has a bad serve but I don't think it will ever be as big as Z's. Z's serve is a formidable weapon imo (when it clicks). Shapo does have phenomenal power for his age in general.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Fair enough, good point. But just remember this tomorrow when the Austrian triumphs to save many of us from crushing depression. Remember these immortal words after the final (and looky whose totin' the trophy behind Herr Giraffe...)
tumblr_oxkxjkwjU11wan7amo1_500.gif
Click to expand...
Z and Thiem seem to be good friends. I doubt there will be much bad blood between them.
That being said, the title would be a crucial breakthrough for Thiem who is several years older than Z but has not achieved much so far whereas Zverev is #3 and has already won masters on different surfaces. For my part, I will continue considering Zverev the better player of the 2 overall, regardless of tomorrow's result.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Aabye5
  • Poll Poll
Madrid 2022 QF: (8) Felix Auger-Aliassime vs (2) Alexander Zverev
Replies
42
Views
2K
Nadal_King
N
Enceladus
  • Poll Poll
2018 ATP Finals RR - (1.) Novak Djokovic vs. (3.) Alexander Zverev
4 5 6
Replies
284
Views
17K
junior74
junior74
Enceladus
  • Poll Poll
2022 Madrid Masters SF - (2.) Alexander Zverev vs (4.) Stefanos Tsitsipas
2 3 4
Replies
167
Views
9K
initialize
initialize
Rafa4LifeEver
  • Poll Poll
2025 Australian open SF - [7] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s [2] Alexander 'Sascha' Zverev (GER)
15 16 17
Replies
819
Views
31K
Bride of Alcaraz
B
D
  • Poll Poll
2021 ATP Finals Torino SF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs [3] Alexander Zverev
19 20 21
Replies
1K
Views
38K
The Big Foe fan
The Big Foe fan
Back
Top