2018 Pure Drive Plus +

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  1. SpinToWin

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    I personally don’t find it any slower than other XL frames, but YMMV.

    The trajectory is higher than classic frames, yet lower than tweeners such as the Pure Aero you’re hitting with. Access to spin is very easy though I find.

    Definitely worth a demo at least, you’ll enjoy hitting all kinds of funny pace with the stick ;)
     
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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Drive/descpageRCBAB-BPD1H.html

    That is virtually identical to pure drive standard length. I wonder points head light is similar as well ??
     
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  3. Geoff

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    I'll measure one of my personal Pure Drives and the Pure Drive Plus shortly for comparison. My personal Pure Drive is strung with Xcel and RPM Blast Rough and the Pure Drive Plus has been strung with Xcel French Open. Stay tuned, I am doing chores for the Mrs!
     
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    It's one of the few frames I thought about trying besides this PD+.

    I don't mind a little lower trajectory than the PA+. We shall see. If I start playing a lot again, I will give it a ride for sure. Currently giving a new carbon bike a lot of rides, so my tennis playing has been down to once a week.
     
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  5. Geoff

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    Update - specs taken on a Babolat RDC

    2018 Pure Drive Plus strung with Babolat Xcel French Open 16g (@ 55lbs) and Babolat VS Grip Original over grip
    320g Static weight
    33.2cm Balance
    314 kg/cm2 Swingweight
    72RA Stiffness

    2018 Pure Drive strung with Babolat Xcel 16g Mains (@ 26kg) & Babolat RPM Blast Rough 16g Crosses (@ 25kg) and Babolat VS Grip Original over grip
    322g Static weight
    33.0cm Balance
    311kg/cm2 Swingweight
    71RA Stiffness
     
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  6. Power Player

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    Thanks Geoff, just saved me some cash right there.
     
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    I've only ever played with one 320 plus sw PD in the wild. Most of them do seem mid-teens at most.

    If you want swingweight only the Tour is a reliable offering.
     
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  8. Geoff

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    I have the demo of the 2018 Pure Drive Tour to string as well. I think that will be the next one which should be interesting to try.
     
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  9. tribesmen

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    Really crazy low SW for + racquet. Have you got a final product meant for sale or is it pre-launch testing stick?
     
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    The same with me. Now in winter time tennis only once a week, during summer 2 times, but I ride a bike 3-4 times a week. I find PK very easy to play although I am playing only once a week, SW it is 340, but the stick is very manoeuvrable and easy to use. I don't have PA+, but PAT and I am sure you will be thrilled with control and as STW is preaching, flat/spin, service, net playing, all very easy to execute. The only stroke I must be really focused is slice, but if you hit it right, the ball stays on the carpet. I am already doing my stock as I am afraid the next iteration will be different to this one.
     
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  11. mrtrinh

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    While I appreciate you giving us specs, something seems a bit off on the SW. The Standard Pure Drive has a swingweight of roughly 320. It is only logical for the Pure Drive Plus to have a higher SW which I suspect should be around 325+ give the tolerance levels. I currently have the Standard Pure Drive and I can definitely say its 320+ SW with an overgrip. This also coincides with the TW specs.
     
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  12. SpinToWin

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    Easily imaginable given the QC
     
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  13. Geoff

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    I will check the calibration of the RDC to see if it is off. I have a Forza Tuning Center (identical to Gamma 3 in 1 and Prince Tuning Center) at the club and will check the specs on both frames this morning and post my findings.
     
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  14. Geoff

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    Update - specs taken on a Forza (Tuning Center)

    2018 Pure Drive Plus strung with Babolat Xcel French Open 16g (@ 55lbs) and Babolat VS Grip Original over grip
    320g Static weight
    32.5cm Balance
    315 kg/cm2 Swingweight

    2018 Pure Drive strung with Babolat Xcel 16g Mains (@ 26kg) & Babolat RPM Blast Rough 16g Crosses (@ 25kg) and Babolat VS Grip Original over grip
    322g Static weight
    32.5cm Balance
    311kg/cm2 Swingweight

    It appears that the RDC is accurate except for the balance board portion. The RDC balance board is not very sophisticated and I usually use my Alpha balance board. My only explanation on the variances of static weight and Swingweight is that they are within the acceptable manufacturers tolerance. I know that we would all like the specs to be perfect but my guess is that it is almost impossible in the manufacturing process. I am also speculating to increase the QC to have closer specs would also increase production/retail costs. Totally my hypothesis!
     
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  15. g4driver

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    @Geoff

    Thanks for those measurements of the PD AND PD+

    Any chance you could measure a PA+ against a PA ?

    I have two Paul Reed "design" PAs and wonder about the stiffness of PA+ vs the PA

    Thanks again and Merry Christmas to you.
     
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  16. Geoff

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    Unfortunately we do not carry the Pure Aero Plus. The next time the Babolat rep is in I will be happy to.
     
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    Can you confirm these are for a production PD+ (not a pre-production run)? It seems really low at 315 for a 27,5".

    Rhs will be really high with this low weight, low Sw and extended length!
     
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  18. Geoff

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    Hello @AMGF
    I'll ask the Babolat rep to confirm the status of the demos (production vs. pre-production) that I have for him. They all came packaged identically to our typical production frames that we order.
     
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    Geoff,, Chris said in his brief review of all the new Babolat pure drives,,, he said the new Pure drive plus had swing weight of around 325. what's up with discrepancy ?? Who knows ? maybe it was a mistake by Chris ? Pure drive plus Tour had SW of 326, virtually same as pure drive plus which is very odd............

     
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  21. Geoff

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    My only explanation is that the Pure Drive Plus that I have is on the lower end of the swingweight tolerance range. I recently strung 3 identical frames that came straight from the manufacturer (not Babolat) that had a swingweight variance of 22 among the 3 frames. Consumers who are more demanding can order frames from TW with their ability to measure a large inventory that insures that they get exactly what they want. In my opinion the work to get every racquet exact at the manufacturers level would greatly drive up the cost of racquets. This is only my guess and I have no facts to support my opinion!
     
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  22. Nostradamus

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    that is huge variance, 10-12 points swingweight difference. We will see when TW specs come out but chris may have made a mistake when he said that, just cause pure drive plus tour had virtually same SW as the pure drive plus. that makes no sense.
     
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  23. mrtrinh

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    Specs are posted on racquetfinder
     
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  24. Nostradamus

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    http://www.racquetfinder.com/?name=...s=&max_price=&currentcheckbox=ASICS&current=Y

    they are virtually same as 2015
     
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  25. g4driver

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    Thanks for posting
     
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  26. Nostradamus

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    Geoff, Brittany from TW said this.
    "The swingweight listed on our website is an average spec of 3-5+ racquets. The TW Professor only measures the one racquet he is testing which is why there is a slight variance in specs"

    your variance was more than 5 points for pure drive plus 2018. Your SW was 11 points lower than the TW spec. WOW. Can you measure it One more time and report to us ? Thank you so much
     
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  27. Geoff

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    Just measured again

    318g/32.6cm/314sw
     
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  28. gutfeeling

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    50 lbs on stringer A is not necessarily the same as 50 lbs on stringer B, even if A and B are the same model. I think the same can be said about swing weight machines. That’s not taking into account calibration and user either. I think the relative difference between frames on the same machine is more telling.
     
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  29. Geoff

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    If a scale is calibrated then the measurements should be accurate. I agree about stringing machines and tensions because there is more of the user variable involved.
     
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  30. Nostradamus

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    WOW,,, maybe that is once in a lifetime pure drive Plus from the factory. if it isn't defective,, can I buy it from you ? LOL
     
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  31. Nostradamus

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    Also when I buy this frame, I think I will ask TW for matched frame for additional cost. Meaning, will ask for specs such as most headlight, most light static weight, or lightest swing weight. Which spec should I ask for as #1 priority ? lightest swing weight ? most head light ? If you ask for most head light,, won't that automatically be very low swing weight ? since that is what determines swingweight ? does static weight play into that ?
     
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  32. Geoff

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    I always feel that Low swing weight and static weight allow you to more easily customize a frame. You can obviously always increase swing weight and static weight. Balance can always be changed berween head light and head heavy. In my experience some players are more balance sensitive and some more swing weight sensitive. Best advice is if you know what specs you like then ask TW to match those. You also should take into consideration the characteristics and attributes of a frame, string type and tension. In other words there are a lot of variables when deciding on a racquet and set up.
     
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  33. Nostradamus

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    but if the frame is More head light,,, won't that usually mean Lower swing weight ?
     
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  34. Geoff

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    Generally speaking yes. There are exceptions.
     
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    Where are the men on the review? first all female review !
     
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  36. tennistomcat

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    This frame looks very enticing. Can't wait to read the reviews on this one.
    Considering this or the pure aero plus for my next stick.

    If the teams came in a plus version, I'd consider picking that up & customizing it to my specs for a flexier version.
    Any one had any decent success doing this in the past with a team or lite version?
     
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  37. A_Instead

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    Nice Reviews TW..Thanks
     
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  38. connex

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    Whoa, what happened to Pure Drive Team 2018? Looks like all the new PDs are now up on TW's site except the Team...they haven't eliminated it, have they?
     
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  39. Bartelby

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    It is somewhat confusing when they tell us that all we need to do is hit slower and with more spin to play with a PD.

    If it were another racquet, the advice given would be a more immediate dismissal of the power level as too high.

    The 'is what it is' approach leads to a more generous assessment of the line.
     
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  40. Geoff

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    Hello @connex The Pure Drive Team is in the lineup for 2018. I just strung one for our local rep.
     
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  41. DrWang

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    Mine arrives Friday. They've been available along with all the other new versions for a week now. Seek and ye shall find.
     
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  42. connex

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    Link? Only PD Team I see on TW is the 2015 version. And the TW rep I emailed with said it won’t be available for presale.
     
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  43. DrWang

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    It's not from TW. Mine arrived in Bangkok last night and will be delivered tomorrow. I buy almost all my racquets from TW but The team had already been available for around a week already on another site which is why I was able to purchase it.

    Can I post a screenshot without naming the site?

    When I pick it up tomorrow, I'll take photos of it and the +plus model as well. I bought one team and one plus...already have the regular pure drive 2018.
     
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  44. DrWang

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    Here is the TEAM

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    Weight with factory Strings - 302.7 grams / 32.70 balance.
    Weight unstrung - 288.0 grams / 32.00 Balance

    Feels very easy to swing. Having it strung today with Volkl V-Torque Tour 17g @56lbs. <-- Love this string now!
     
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    This thread is about the Plus+ which I also received today.

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    Weight Factory Strung - 327 grams. / 32.60 Balance
    Weight Unstrung - 312.7 grams / 31.55 Balance.

    * Notice the racquet Length listed on the card says, 27.6 inches.

    Initial thoughts. Very easy to swing, more so than my Pure Aero Plus. Having this one strung with Volkl V-Torque 16g at 55lbs.

    Both the team and especially the plus appear to have the weight distributed better and not so much in the middle like the regular PD model. I noticed this immediately.
     
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    This thread is about the Plus+ which I also received today.

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    Weight Factory Strung - 327 grams. / 32.60 Balance
    Weight Unstrung - 312.7 grams / 31.55 Balance.

    * Notice the racquet Length listed on the card says, 27.6 inches.

    Initial thoughts. Very easy to swing, more so than my Pure Aero Plus. Having this one strung with Volkl V-Torque 16g at 55lbs.

    Both the team and especially the plus appear to have the weight distributed better and not so much in the middle like the regular PD model. I noticed this immediately.
     
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  47. Bartelby

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    So yours is about 13 grams heavier than spec if you took off all the wrapping before you weighed it?

     
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  48. DrWang

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    That's what my cheap scale shows. I have 4 pure aero pluses and have had in the past 3 pure drive pluses 2015 models and all of them weighed the same as this new pure drive plus 2018 or within 2 grams of each other and all of these racquets are from different sources. So, either my scale is off by 10-12 GRAMS or the specs listed on the racquet card are not correct. Wouldn't it seem odd that all 8 of my racquets from different sources have nearly the same weight? The weight of this pure drive plus is spot on the same weight as my other extended racquets. I have 4 regular pure aeros and those all weigh 321-323 grams with dampener and overgrip which seems about right with the added weight. Something is not jiving here, but I doubt that the seven plus model racquets I own /owned are all over weight by the same amount of 10-12 grams.
     
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  49. Bartelby

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    You might want to check it on another scale or two.

    Their spec range is supposed to be plus or minus 7 grams, so if it weighs what your scales record then it should have been rejected.
     
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  50. My scales are about 8 grams off apparently, so it's not unheard of.
     

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