mightyrick
Legend
Wrong. As usual.
Wrong. As usual.
Some logical argument is there too?
mightyrick
Legend
An argument wasn't made. It was an assertion. Well, if someone is going to simply state an assertion, I'm going to give one in response.
Just like if someone says, "2 + 2 = 5". My response if going to simply be "You're wrong." I'm not going to bother providing evidence against it -- since I wasn't given any evidence to support it.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Federer at NO time was the same monster on clay that Nadal is and has been most of his career.
Even most Fed fans will acknowledge that.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
No. But day in and day out none of those three were Nadal level either. Check out Coria, at his peak. His return was ALMOST equal to Nadal, and at his absolute peak he returned even more relentlessly than Nadal has returned in many years, but at no time did Coria ever put that return game together with the kind of service game that Nadal has.
I absolutely do not think Gaudio and Ferrero reached Nadal's peak level. Borg is the only one who did.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
How that worked out?
He pointed out time when Nadal used phony MTO (not nearly the only time). Argument would be you saying why it was not. You, as usual, did not answered it (not in logical way). So you basically confirmed it.
TahoeTennis
Legend
the elder statesman bull taking out the next gen superstar. left battle vamos!
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
That has pretty much traumatized the Fed fans.
Thats why they are behaving this way.
Understandable. Rafa was a stunning beast from his teens.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Give it some time.
Got the total number of games correct. Watched the highlights and wasn't too impressed by Shapo's play. His game looks very awkward on clay. But whatever, he has time to grow. Maybe he can be a Wawrinka type player later on.
mightyrick
Legend
Oh really? Well, you're wrong, too.
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I think pretty much everyone knows that. There is a big difference between Nadal on clay, and Federer on clay. They are not equals on a clay court IMO. Nadal is very much the dominant player.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I always felt the Rome 2006 final could've completely changed the dynamic of the Nadal/Federer rivalry had Federer won.
Boom-Boom
Legend
the nadal ?... cheating ???
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Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Well, I still think it was a dangerous match for Rafa, and he responded very well. He won it early on, could have gotten in trouble at 2-1 in the first and really never looked back from there.
You are right. fast court tennis of 70s-90s, I should've said. although i've not seen much of Le Conte. I've heard about his half volley. From baseline, i have not seen anyone does half volley better than Federer.
To me, Nadal appeared to look a touch nervous in the beginning losing many break chances.
(It's amazing that an absolute clay GOAT like Nadal can be nervous on bouncy clay like Rome's).
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Pretty sure Nadal had just won a point and was actually leading on Delpo's serve when he took the MTO.
Delpo took one himself shortly after, literally mid-game, and both were well over the 25s time between points, so he got Nadal back in a way.
So if my recollection of that MTO is correct, then the only way that it was blatant and phony is if Nadal's approach to cheating in that match was by breaking his own rhythm.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
He was never going to get in trouble from this 19-year-old, inexperienced Shapovalov on clay. It wasn't in the realm of possibility IMO.
Thanks for proving me wrong with your comprehensive argument...
And if you understand mathematics you would know that even 2+2=5 can be mathematicly correct result. But you clearly don't know what are you talking about. So thanks for "debate", I end here.
I really like how they are comparing 19 yo Shapo on clay with 19 yo Nadal on clay. As if Shapo should be on his worst surface as good as one of the greatest teenage prodigees of all times and one of the best players of all times on his strongest.
Really show how their expectation of Denis are truly high. Obviously they expect that Shapo on his worst surface would get 10 slams, can you imagine their expectations for his best one?
Well, I would be more than happy if he fullfiled this expectations by one tenth. And so far he is doing great in that
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
OT, but I struggle to think of a nontrivial mathematical context in which 2+2=5 would be correct.
1+1=0, yes. (Fields of characteristic 2).
But 2+2=5? The use of plus and the natural numbers would suggest a ring with a unit, but then we would have 1=0 , which is impossible (unless you allow a trivial ring with one element).
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mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, 4-9/2 is negative, so we're not allowed to take the square root ...
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