2018 Rotterdam - ATP 500; Federer's quest for #1

zagor said:
I do think Goffin would have won that match if he didn't run out of gas.

However, those were specific circumstances. Normally, Dimitrov has too much firepower for Goffin and this time around he won't be playing for the biggest title of his career.
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He's gotta be favored yes, but I'm with whoever said Goffin winning wouldn't be a surprise.
 
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Chanwan said:
@veroniquem are you excited about tonight's match?
@Djokovic2011 - where are you at these days?
@cc0509 - are you excite?
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I haven't seen any of Federer's Rotterdam matches but I'm happy for Federer that he's achieved this milestone. I doubt we'll see this type of player, i.e. with his immense talent, longevity and being a superior ambassador for the sport, again in our lifetimes. It's been a pleasure to watch him play tennis over the years.

LOL at you calling out veroniquem. She truly must be suffering. :)
 
Meles said:
One shocking trooper who perhaps needs his own service branch, @cc0509 , seems to be asleep at the switch on the fact that Fed is about to set a record that may never be broken.:oops:
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Dude, I didn't have the time or patience to watch Federer play at a small insignificant tournament such as Rotterdam vs a bunch of players who I know he wouldn't lose to even if he was going after an important milestone(oldest #1) but I'm sure happy he broke another record! It's all good. Watching all of these small tournaments and lesser players is your specialty! I'll leave it to you. ;)
 
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So, please correct me if I'm wrong:

fedr wins Rotterdam and skips Dubai equals 10105 minus 20 for 10085.

Nadal wins Acapulco equals 10260 minus 200 for 10060.

Ergo, these next two matches are UUUGGGEEE for entering IW at #1.
 
cc0509 said:
Dude, I didn't have the time or patience to watch Federer play at a small insignificant tournament such as Rotterdam vs a bunch of players who I know he wouldn't lose to even if he was going after an important milestone(oldest #1) but I'm sure happy he broke another record! It's all good. Watching all of these small tournaments and lesser players is your specialty! I'll leave it to you. ;)
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LOL. Love your attitude. This week is just a poster child for smaller tournaments. Yes Fed's draw has been weak, but Kohly and Haase at least respectable players over the last six months. On the whole as fraudulent as the last two Fed slam win draws. The bottom half has had great early round action with some cc no names; Krajinovic and Auger-Aliassime. Rublev in some excellent matches. Now we reach the SFs and one match is the two WTF finalists and we have Fed. Looks pretty amazing, but keep watching the slams drone on and end with horrible matches.
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Meles said:
LOL. Love your attitude. This week is just a poster child for smaller tournaments. Yes Fed's draw has been weak, but Kohly and Haase at least respectable players over the last six months. On the whole as fraudulent as the last two Fed slam win draws. The bottom half has had great early round action with some cc no names; Krajinovic and Auger-Aliassime. Rublev in some excellent matches. Now we reach the SFs and one match is the two WTF finalists and we have Fed. Looks pretty amazing, but keep watching the slams drone on and end with horrible matches.
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while I don't necessarily agree with cc509's post, what are you on about ?

AO 18 had an excellent Fed-Cilic final, had Kyrgios-Tsonga, Kyrgios-Dimi, Tsonga-Shapo, Nadal-Schwartz, Djoko-Chung, Chung-Zverev, thiem-sandgren, nadal-cilic etc. to give excitement and quality.

Rotterdam doesn't compare.

Cilic in AO 18 final, berdych in wim 17 semi were considerably tougher than anyone fed's faced in rotterdam and Berdych in AO 18 QF/Raonic in Wim 17 QF atleast as tough as anyone fed's faced at Rotterdam.
 
abmk said:
while I don't necessarily agree with cc509's post, what are you on about ?

AO 18 had an excellent Fed-Cilic final, had Kyrgios-Tsonga, Kyrgios-Dimi, Tsonga-Shapo, Nadal-Schwartz, Djoko-Chung, Chung-Zverev, thiem-sandgren, nadal-cilic etc. to give excitement and quality.

Rotterdam doesn't compare.

Cilic in AO 18 final, berdych in wim 17 semi were considerably tougher than anyone fed's faced in rotterdam and Berdych in AO 18 QF/Raonic in Wim 17 QF atleast as tough as anyone fed's faced at Rotterdam.
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Rotterdam and Krajicek were snakebit from the start (JWT and Gasquet withdrawals) through today with the Goffin injury and yesterday with Berd flu. As well as Tomas was playing, he would have been favored vs Goffin and a very tough test for Dimitrov. Thankfully Krajicek had a WC to offer Rogi to put it on another level above the BA and NY 250's.
 
stringertom said:
Rotterdam and Krajicek were snakebit from the start (JWT and Gasquet withdrawals) through today with the Goffin injury and yesterday with Berd flu. As well as Tomas was playing, he would have been favored vs Goffin and a very tough test for Dimitrov. Thankfully Krajicek had a WC to offer Rogi to put it on another level above the BA and NY 250's.
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agree. Even Kyrgios withdrew from Rotterdam.
 
Meles said:
LOL. Love your attitude. This week is just a poster child for smaller tournaments. Yes Fed's draw has been weak, but Kohly and Haase at least respectable players over the last six months. On the whole as fraudulent as the last two Fed slam win draws. The bottom half has had great early round action with some cc no names; Krajinovic and Auger-Aliassime. Rublev in some excellent matches. Now we reach the SFs and one match is the two WTF finalists and we have Fed. Looks pretty amazing, but keep watching the slams drone on and end with horrible matches.
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The last two of Fed's slam win draws were fraudulent? Get real. Wasn't Roger Federer the fourth man in the Open era to beat four top-10 seeds in one Grand Slam at the AO 2017? There's no comparison between his last two slam win draws and the anemic Rotterdam draw! But who cares? The only reason he played Rotterdam was to capture the oldest #1 record and he did it! He keeps leaving other players in the dust with all the records he continues to achieve. So, suck it! :p
 
cc0509 said:
The last two of Fed's slam win draws were fraudulent? Get real. Wasn't Roger Federer the fourth man in the Open era to beat four top-10 seeds in one Grand Slam at the AO 2017? There's no comparison between his last two slam win draws and the anemic Rotterdam draw! But who cares? The only reason he played Rotterdam was to capture the oldest #1 record and he did it! He keeps leaving other players in the dust with all the records he continues to achieve. So, suck it! :p
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Oh that's right; Fed had to overcome the mighty one;)
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Meles said:
Oh that's right; Fed had to overcome the mighty one;)
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He looked really wasted vs Troicki...won 63 of 91 points, won 75% of his service points while saving the only BP he faced, won over half return points (27 of 52). This, just a day before he really was physically wasted by a probable flu.

But haterz gonna hate, you little caricature of a man. Fandango elsewhere.
 
Silence said:
It’s extremely sad to see you stoop to this level @Meles . Are you ok?
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I think he believes he'll get a prize if he tops our other :D troll, the one who has virtually guaranteed every fedr milestone since August 2009 with his attempts at accurate predictions. :p:D

It's beginning to get close, this race to the bottom.
 
Meles said:
Oh that's right; Fed had to overcome the mighty one;)
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Let me tell you something. I'm not a Berdych fan but he's miles ahead of some of those goons you rave about. He was consistently in the top ten for years and usually made it to the business end of tournaments. Can you say that about Thiem, Pouille, Zverev?
 
cc0509 said:
Let me tell you something. I'm not a Berdych fan but he's miles ahead of some of those goons you rave about. He was consistently in the top ten for years and usually made it to the business end of tournaments. Can you say that about Thiem, Pouille, Zverev, etc?
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Very fraudulent thinking.:rolleyes:
Bendy after a long career, one joke draw Paris Masters in 2005, plus 12 other tournament wins by age 32.
Pouille is the weakest of whom you mention with only 5 titles.
Zverev just utterly destroys Bendy at age 20 with 2 masters and total of 6 titles.
Thiem could easily be at 10 already by the end of this week at age 24.

Pouille is the apt comparison if you want to make one.
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Meles said:
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Very fraudulent thinking.:rolleyes:
Bendy after a long career, one joke draw Paris Masters in 2005, plus 12 other tournament wins by age 32.
Pouille is the weakest of whom you mention with only 5 titles.
Zverev just utterly destroys Bendy at age 20 with 2 masters and total of 6 titles.
Thiem could easily be at 10 already by the end of this week at age 24.

Pouille is the apt comparison if you want to make one.
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Loads of deep slam runs though no?
 
Meles said:
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Very fraudulent thinking.:rolleyes:
Bendy after a long career, one joke draw Paris Masters in 2005, plus 12 other tournament wins by age 32.
Pouille is the weakest of whom you mention with only 5 titles.
Zverev just utterly destroys Bendy at age 20 with 2 masters and total of 6 titles.
Thiem could easily be at 10 already by the end of this week at age 24.

Pouille is the apt comparison if you want to make one.
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Haterz gonna hate...donut bring up 4R Zed when comparing to Berd, who plays second weeks of slams instead of watching them.

You might have heard of these four guys that have won the strong era slams and MS1000's for more than a decade. They are Fedalrayovic, all that was between the Czech and greatness. Now that two are out and the other two on limited schedule or getting injured, sure your ice skating zebra can vulture. Wake me up when he wins something that matters.
 
stringertom said:
Haterz gonna hate...donut bring up 4R Zed when comparing to Berd, who plays second weeks of slams instead of watching them.

You might have heard of these four guys that have won the strong era slams and MS1000's for more than a decade. They are Fedalrayovic, all that was between the Czech and greatness. Now that two are out and the other two on limited schedule or getting injured, sure your ice skating zebra can vulture. Wake me up when he wins something that matters.
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Good lord Bendy did not make his first slam SF till nearly age 25. I'm not the moron who brought up Berdych with Zverev; Bendy so far behind at the same age its not even funny. People who compare that serial choker with anyone on tour need help. Bendy really? Zverev slammed Fed and Nole for his M1000s. Bendy's triumph about the same as Sock's recent win in Paris.
 
Meles said:
Good lord Bendy did not make his first slam SF till nearly age 25. I'm not the moron who brought up Berdych with Zverev; Bendy so far behind at the same age its not even funny. People who compare that serial choker with anyone on tour need help. Bendy really? Zverev slammed Fed and Nole for his M1000s. Bendy's triumph about the same as Sock's recent win in Paris.
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Well this shows your ignorance and/or hatred of Berdych more than anything. The same? Really?

Lets look at it:
Berdych Paris 2005
Match played: 6
Average opponent ranking: 14
Best opponent: 7
Top 10 opponents: 2
Top 20 opponents: 5
Average opponent ELO rating: 1988
All of the Berdych's opponent were former or future top 10, 5 of them are former top 5 players, all less than 3 years from their best rank. He defeated 2 slam winners and 1 former #1.
Player with ELO of 2100 (top 10 player) would have 8% chance of winning this tournament.

Sock Paris 2017
Match played: 5
Average opponent ranking 46,8
Best opponent: 19
Top 10 opponents: 0
Top 20 opponents: 1
Average opponent ELO rating: 1918
1 Socks opponent is former top 10 (8 years since his best rank), none future so far (can change for Edmund and Pouille but still not nearly enough). Of course no slam winner, no #1.
Player with ELO of 2100 would have 22% chance of winning.

Yes, totally the same...

Paris 2005 was not the greatest Masters 1000 tournament but still it was wery quality win for Berdych. Paris 2017... not so much.
 
Tornes said:
Well this shows your ignorance and/or hatred of Berdych more than anything. The same? Really?

Lets look at it:
Berdych Paris 2005
Match played: 6
Average opponent ranking: 14
Best opponent: 7
Top 10 opponents: 2
Top 20 opponents: 5
Average opponent ELO rating: 1988
All of the Berdych's opponent were former or future top 10, 5 of them are former top 5 players, all less than 3 years from their best rank. He defeated 2 slam winners and 1 former #1.
Player with ELO of 2100 (top 10 player) would have 8% chance of winning this tournament.

Sock Paris 2017
Match played: 5
Average opponent ranking 46,8
Best opponent: 19
Top 10 opponents: 0
Top 20 opponents: 1
Average opponent ELO rating: 1918
1 Socks opponent is former top 10 (8 years since his best rank), none future so far (can change for Edmund and Pouille but still not nearly enough). Of course no slam winner, no #1.
Player with ELO of 2100 would have 22% chance of winning.

Yes, totally the same...

Paris 2005 was not the greatest Masters 1000 tournament but still it was wery quality win for Berdych. Paris 2017... not so much.
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What a ridiculous distortion of the stats.
2nd match Bendy beat Coria (the worthless #2 seed and clay specialist who was well into the yips on his serve)
3rd match was Juan Carlos Ferrero the indoor good who was injured and washed up
4th match was another clay courter in decline, Guadio
Then Stepanek and Ljubicic

No just an absolute joke. Sock had an easy path too. Both are bottom 5% for strength of field at Masters. Sock may have had an easy path, but Paris had a stronger draw this year than 2005.
 
Meles said:
What a ridiculous distortion of the stats.
2nd match Bendy beat Coria (the worthless #2 seed and clay specialist who was well into the yips on his serve)
3rd match was Juan Carlos Ferrero the indoor good who was injured and washed up
4th match was another clay courter in decline, Guadio
Then Stepanek and Ljubicic

No just an absolute joke. Sock had an easy path too. Both are bottom 5% for strength of field at Masters. Sock may have had an easy path, but Paris had a stronger draw this year than 2005.
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Ljubicic alone (as indoor specialist on form of his life) is much better than all of Socks opponents combined.
Stepanek is also great indoor/fast court player on his form of life on the way to his best ranking position next year.
Even Gaudio who seems as bad opponent on carpet followed this tournament with SF showing at Masters Cup (on carpet) and just defeated Robby Ginepri on form of his life (since Cincy Ginepri defeated Safin, Haas, Gasquet, Coria, Davydenko, Ferrer, had Masters 1000 F and SF and GS SF to his name just at this period).
Ferrero was not the player he was before but still very good and solid one. Injured was in 2004, this is year after. Had Viena final, defeating Nalbandian and Stepanek, just few weeks before.
Coria was on his second best season ever and not long ago Beijing finalist. Not the strongest opponent, still better than average 2nd round. And he may be clay specialist yet has hard masters final or grass final to his name.

Much, much better than Socks Paris. And just a little bellow average in general.
And Socks Paris had a little stronger draw (70% to 67% participation as per ultimatetennisstatistics) just because of Nadal who played 2 matches to secure his #1 and than gave W/O to SF to Krajinovic of all people.
 
Tornes said:
Ljubicic alone (as indoor specialist on form of his life) is much better than all of Socks opponents combined.
Stepanek is also great indoor/fast court player on his form of life on the way to his best ranking position next year.
Even Gaudio who seems as bad opponent on carpet followed this tournament with SF showing at Masters Cup (on carpet) and just defeated Robby Ginepri on form of his life (since Cincy Ginepri defeated Safin, Haas, Gasquet, Coria, Davydenko, Ferrer, had Masters 1000 F and SF and GS SF to his name just at this period).
Ferrero was not the player he was before but still very good and solid one. Injured was in 2004, this is year after. Had Viena final, defeating Nalbandian and Stepanek, just few weeks before.
Coria was on his second best season ever and not long ago Beijing finalist. Not the strongest opponent, still better than average 2nd round. And he may be clay specialist yet has hard masters final or grass final to his name.

Much, much better than Socks Paris. And just a little bellow average in general.
And Socks Paris had a little stronger draw (70% to 67% participation as per ultimatetennisstatistics) just because of Nadal who played 2 matches to secure his #1 and than gave W/O to SF to Krajinovic of all people.
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Bendy barely one today against a nobody. Ginepri lol?:rolleyes: Bottom line is Berdbrain was part of the new wave of baseliners taking over the tour at the beginning of the Poly era. His failure to win a Master 1000 in the 12 years since to me says it was a fluke.

Krajinovic "of all people" was on a bit of a roll having won several clay challengers and then transitioning to the very different indoor surfaces with great success. If he remains healthy, definitely a player to watch in the upcoming years.o_O
 
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