icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
He lost to del potro who can be a difficult player, like he didnt lose to nobody just to avoid nadal not to mention if you recall the man struggled in the first two rounds.
2018 Shanghai SF - (1) Federer vs. (13.) Ćorić
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underground
G.O.A.T.
No, 14-15 net rushing is suicidal, see the 2nd set against RBA.
Fed forgot he had a thing called the BH slice today, that's his problem. It was how he dug out wins over Delpo (see 2013 WTF for a prime example) and Berdych back in the years. The two games that he used it were 4-3 in the first set and the final game, the first of which he should have had a BP but botched a swing volley. The rest was just atrocious.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Injured ego you mean. Nadal was perfectly healthy last year and Fed cleaned his clock. And Fedovic have cleaned Nadal's clock a lot since 2015.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
As my favourite singer would say, "this is not the end, he'll come back again. You'll still see him, you'll still hear him. Love you dearly, yours sincerely".
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Ridiculous
CYGS
Legend
He will be no. 4 after this week.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It's ok. For some reason Fed is perceived as a tanker all of a sudden. I guess people have run out of means to trash him.
Soul_Evisceration
Hall of Fame
All ATP Pros are cowards one way or another just to check their EGO and protect themselves from a particular threat or danger agreed.
It's not just Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, it's everyone.
I just wanted to point out that Federer is not this perfect tennis player that we all try to portray and imagine.
I’m just wondering if you guys feel stupid at all. I personally would if I had talked this big before the match. Nothing wrong with expecting a Fed win (although I didn’t get that at all with how he’s played this tournament and how good Coric can play) but being so arrogant about it and disrespectful towards Coric kind of makes you look dumb.
Never understood the underestimation of Coric on this forum. Is he a complete loser for not being in the top 5 like Zverev yet? Come on, he’s in the top 20 at age 21. That’s great. He usually behaves well and you can see he’s a fighter that wants to make it to the top. And he’s got a playing style that’s very efficient in modern tennis. I think he can go very far.
As far as Fed’s concerned.. totally got outplayed here. Feel like it’s steadily going downhill from here, which is okay and expected. But I don’t think we’ll see him lifting many trophies anymore.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Has Delpo gathered enough points to usurp Federer?
underground
G.O.A.T.
Fed needs to go back to the drawing board and sort out his tactics, big time. That BH is consistent but only useful against the likes of Nadal and certain pushers/defenders. With aggressive baseliners he needs his slice and patience, he did it against these players time and time again back in 2012 and he certainly still has the tools in his game. He just came into this match without any gameplan whatsoever.
CYGS
Legend
More like Fed has dropped more than enough points
mike danny
Bionic Poster
No one is. But you are just making up a story that might not even be true.
clayqueen
Bionic Poster
No, he wasn't. Nadal gave Krajinovic a WO in Paris after Shanghai and pulled out of the WTF after 1 rubber.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Do you think he can still do damage at AO? I've given up on him doing anything for the remainder of the year.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
As my favourite singer would say, "this is not the end, he'll come back again. You'll still see him, you'll still hear him. Love you dearly, yours sincerely".
mike danny
Bionic Poster
i was talking mostly about before Shanghai.
And even in Shangnai Nadal wasn't beating Federer anyway.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well he hasn't lost recently, so he can't be injured.LOL
Is Nadal now not injured?
Coric played great. Totally outplayed Federer. He can do a lot of damage tomorrow as well.
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Deleted member 77403
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It was a tactically poor match, he was more creative in two points in the last game alone, than he was in the entire match. A case of a little too late.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
The whole situation has began to look uncomfortable to me.
underground
G.O.A.T.
After today Fed is only 140 points behind Delpo in the race. Given Delpo just injured his knee, I expect Fed to tie it up at Basel, and the battle for #3 is likely to be decided at the WTF.
First of all he needs to go deep enough into events to play the top seeds aka Delpo and Novak, and give them a good run even if he loses. The damage is done for this season but he can make some amends by gathering some momentum into next year. See 2013 for example, he lost a heartbreaker to Delpo in Basel, but he avenged his loss and had good runs in Paris and WTF (a set and a break up against Novak and grinded a very important victory against Delpo in the RR stages), that gave him belief that he could still do it in the next season.
I hope Fed plays Bercy this year, he's barely played any matches unlike last year. And there's a week gap before WTF anyway.
NBP
Hall of Fame
He's not playing Paris this year he has already said, which is pathetic considering it's not like rest is making him win, and he shouldn't be thinking that he is at this moment in time good enough to skip big events and peak at others, which hasn't happened for a long time now.
underground
G.O.A.T.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Just in: Fed to decide on Bercy after Basel, and on his clay court participation during the off season.
The Fedfather
Legend
Didn't watch the match. Does anyone have stats? Screenshots with them I mean.
NBP
Hall of Fame
Just seen your latest post saying he'll decide after Basel; to answer your question, he said it in an interview to ESPN, probably at the Laver Cup, and he spoke about Shanghai, Basel and London (not Paris) in press after Nishikori. I'd be shocked if he played in all honesty though.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Beacon Hill
Hall of Fame
Sometimes the ATP website has information about professional tennis matches.
The Fedfather
Legend
They don't have it for this match yet. I just want to have an idea of how bad Federer was.
underground
G.O.A.T.
They do but normally they lack W-UE numbers, something that only slams and DC scoreboards provide.
edberg volleys
Hall of Fame
Looks good for Djokovic and his fans.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Ehhmmm predicting a 6-0 6-1 win for Fed was a joke.
Luka888
Professional
First of all congrats to Coric. He painted the lines, served great, moved well, returned deep ... I didn't think he could keep that rhythm going on but he proved me wrong. Well done to a young Croat.
On the other hand it was painful to watch Fed. Jesus, so many BH errors, so much shanking ... he plays a few points brilliantly and then end up shanking or making the silliest error possible. His ideas were great, but his execution was beyond horrible ...
People who call him a coward ... I don't know what to say. Did you even watch the same match? Nothing worked for Fed. It's not like he didn't try ... he tried many different things but Coric was always there, while Fed was making one after another UE ...
How many times? How many times? Nothing worked ... Borna kept sending the ball to Fed's BH and even when he didn't Fed made sure to make another BH error even when it was supposed to be a clear winner ... so many balls simply went out. I don't think even his BH slice would save him today.
There were a couple of great rallies. Fed hit some beautiful winners here and there but he was all over the place. He was too slow ... Again his execution was horrendous. Maybe it's good he lost today. Djokovic would probably humiliate him had he somehow managed to win today.
Yes, I admit, I was looking forward to another Nole/Fed final but it wasn't meant to be. Coric gave it all, what he didn't give Fed 'made sure' he donated to Borna ... Great and deserved win by Coric. I don't want to take anything away from him.
One more thing, don't you guys think that Fed should stop rushing, like take it easy. I mean litteraly. Take a little break here and there, recoup and think. Yes, he always play that way. He is really quick when serving etc. but today, maybe for the first time I was thinking 'Dude, slow down a bit', stop rushing ...
On the other hand it was painful to watch Fed. Jesus, so many BH errors, so much shanking ... he plays a few points brilliantly and then end up shanking or making the silliest error possible. His ideas were great, but his execution was beyond horrible ...
People who call him a coward ... I don't know what to say. Did you even watch the same match? Nothing worked for Fed. It's not like he didn't try ... he tried many different things but Coric was always there, while Fed was making one after another UE ...
How many times? How many times? Nothing worked ... Borna kept sending the ball to Fed's BH and even when he didn't Fed made sure to make another BH error even when it was supposed to be a clear winner ... so many balls simply went out. I don't think even his BH slice would save him today.
There were a couple of great rallies. Fed hit some beautiful winners here and there but he was all over the place. He was too slow ... Again his execution was horrendous. Maybe it's good he lost today. Djokovic would probably humiliate him had he somehow managed to win today.
Yes, I admit, I was looking forward to another Nole/Fed final but it wasn't meant to be. Coric gave it all, what he didn't give Fed 'made sure' he donated to Borna ... Great and deserved win by Coric. I don't want to take anything away from him.
One more thing, don't you guys think that Fed should stop rushing, like take it easy. I mean litteraly. Take a little break here and there, recoup and think. Yes, he always play that way. He is really quick when serving etc. but today, maybe for the first time I was thinking 'Dude, slow down a bit', stop rushing ...
Luka888
Professional
It was worse than bad, trust me. You don't want to look at stats. The ATP computer broke down in smokes, it wasn't able to calculate Fed's UE ... world record, me thinks
top10
Semi-Pro
I agree with you here...but then again I did agree to a similar statement 4-5 years ago...
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Believe it or not, he's actually played worse in some previous matchesIt was worse than bad, trust me. You don't want to look at stats. The ATP computer broke down in smokes, it wasn't able to calculate Fed's UE ... world record, me thinks
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Not necessarily; Fed's form can fluctuate wildly, hence his catastrophic failure today relative to his performance but yesterday. He can randomly ascend and randomly fall, such is the performance rollercoaster of being 37 years old, having played over 1400 professional tennis matches and typically playing with high risk and low margins.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
How many UE did he end up w?It was worse than bad, trust me. You don't want to look at stats. The ATP computer broke down in smokes, it wasn't able to calculate Fed's UE ... world record, me thinks
I saw 20 for Fed and 10 for Borna at some stage in the match.
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TennisFan97068
Guest
Djokovic will not return like servebot Federer.
Anything other than a Coric beatdown will be a surprise.
TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
You are hoping for that, aren't you?
Luka888
Professional
My impression was too many overall and was a bit sarcastic. I also don't think they counted everything properly.
However, I just re-winded the end of the match. Officialy, Fed made a total of 24UE (16BH plus 8FH errors). Coric made 13UE (6FH plus 7BH).
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, because I consider him overrated. And all his wins over top players have come when they were in horrible form.You are hoping for that, aren't you?
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