2018 USO Womens Final : ThisMama Serena Williams vs Japanese Queen Naomi Osaka

Pick the USO WTA 18 winner


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skyline

Legend
I somewhat agree, although against Pliskova and Sevastova she had what could have been bad days - I think she fought very hard mentally to pull herself out of a funk at the start of each of those matches, which is what gives me encouragement for her moving forward. (Not to mention the Kanepi match, although that was different in that both players were actually playing well throughout most of it.)

Several people seem to think that it's all about Naomi and how she plays that will determine the outcome of the match. Serena Williams has the most dominant game that women's tennis has ever seen... every match is well and truly on her racket.
Kanepi match was played at high level on both ends with the GOAT hitting 47 winners to 22 UEs (!!!). I would not call that a bad day. :p

Saying it’s all about how Naomi plays is misguided. She’ll have sth to say about it to be sure but Serena does not depend on her folding to win this.
 

Tanya

Hall of Fame
Kanepi match was played at high level on both ends with the GOAT hitting 47 winners to 22 UEs (!!!). I would not call that a bad day. :p
Very true but there was a while in the 2nd set where it looked like 'Ms Thing' Serena (as I like to call it when she plays like a hot mess) was starting to rear her head. Serena managed to snap out of it in the 3rd, but that match easily could have ended differently had she not.
 

skyline

Legend
Very true but there was a while in the 2nd set where it looked like 'Ms Thing' Serena (as I like to call it when she plays like a hot mess) was starting to rear her head. Serena managed to snap out of it in the 3rd, but that match easily could have ended differently had she not.
Yeah you need a good level against Kanepi. Worth noting she was the one to take out Naomi at last year’s USO!
 

Gizo

Legend
This is a win-win final for me as i’ll be happy with either outcome.

If Serena wins, she ties the record of 24 grand slam titles, and becomes the first woman in 87 years (since Helen Wills Moody) to win 7 US Open / US Championship titles, overtaking Evert in the process.

If Osaka wins, it’s a big title and moment for a talented young player from the 1997 generation, whose personality I like a lot.

I would probably prefer Osaka to win over Serena, but either way I am going to enjoy this match.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
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We know! Serena makes sure every single time so everybody know that she's there to inspire mothers.
That's her brand now.
 
If Osaka does not allow her love for Serena to could her mind, she has a chance.

On the other hand, if Serena is determined to not find herself stuck with her current majors count yet another time, she will make short work of Osaka. That, and coming back from the emotional poles of childbirth and nearly dying could be the greatest motivator of all at the site of her first majors title.

This irrational false idol, hero worship has allowed Serena to be so dominant. You can admire players without being so enthralled by them & intimidated by their legend that you are beaten before you even walk out-which is the way 90-95% of the women think. Sharapova has an awful record against her-but you can bet every time she walks out there against Williams that she believes she is going to win & of course handed her two major defeats in 2004. Mugu believes she can beat her, , maybe Ball Sniffer, Kvitova, Konta & Kerber-but there aren't many others who believe it. But if you go back 10-15 years or so there were a whole bunch who thought they could beat her & did-Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Capriati, Dementedava, Venus, Schnyder etc.
 

a10best

Legend
I pick Osaka in 2. If it goes 3 sets, then Serena hoards another trophy and comes up big(again) in a slam.
Ask yourself this:
Is Serena better now than when she lost in IW? to me, Yes.
Is Osaka better now than from that IW win?
 

a10best

Legend
I somewhat agree, although against Pliskova and Sevastova she had what could have been bad days - I think she fought very hard mentally to pull herself out of a funk at the start of each of those matches, which is what gives me encouragement for her moving forward. (Not to mention the Kanepi match, although that was different in that both players were actually playing well throughout most of it.)

Several people seem to think that it's all about Naomi and how she plays that will determine the outcome of the match. Serena Williams has the most dominant game that women's tennis has ever seen... every match is well and truly on her racket.
She's been dominant mainly because she can inflict her power game and the others can't. Kerber won Wimbledon because she put more pace on her serve. Sloane can keep up with Serena from the BL., Madison has the whole power game but is painfully inconsistent. Osaka also has the complete power game to match Serena. It will be interesting as both are in peak form this year.
 

Pavla

Semi-Pro
The dynamics of this final are so very, very intense. Naomi, trained from such a young age to be Serena Mark II. Serena, the aging champ on a hard fought comeback, facing the young rival who worships her. Eagerly anticipating the match, and the moment at the net when they come face to face after the match has been won and lost. Tennis drama is the best drama :)
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Try proving this hate-filled fantasy of yours.

Everyone knows you are filled with resentment and an ocean's worth of tears because Federer and Sharapova were defeated (and on the same day), so you--as usual--are so easy to expose.
Wrong. It's not about hate but lost respect to the USTA. They deliberately boost Serena seed out of pure favoritism because she's an American and wanted her to have the best chance to win. Serena fanboy like you are in denial.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
This irrational false idol, hero worship has allowed Serena to be so dominant. You can admire players without being so enthralled by them & intimidated by their legend that you are beaten before you even walk out-which is the way 90-95% of the women think. Sharapova has an awful record against her-but you can bet every time she walks out there against Williams that she believes she is going to win & of course handed her two major defeats in 2004. Mugu believes she can beat her, , maybe Ball Sniffer, Kvitova, Konta & Kerber-but there aren't many others who believe it. But if you go back 10-15 years or so there were a whole bunch who thought they could beat her & did-Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Capriati, Dementedava, Venus, Schnyder etc.
Most of the players are just happy to play Serena, and once they lost they say they are proud/honor to be on the same court with her. There's no winning attitude(mentality) among them.
 

skyline

Legend
Most of the players are just happy to play Serena, and once they lost they say they are proud/honor to be on the same court with her. There's no winning attitude(mentality) among them.
Most of the players aren’t good enough to beat her.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
i just don't know if Naomi has the serve and FH to get the job done. i certainly hope she does.

her strokes are pretty short and compact, especially her serve and FH. there are pros and cons to that, i feel her FH cross-court can sometimes be lacking and does not penetrate the court, it sits up a little bit sometimes and Serena will feast on that. similar with Osaka's serve: her down the T can be fast and placed well, but her out wide is not placed that well all the time and is markedly slower usually w/o a lot of kick.

on the plus side, her compact FH allows for good shots on defense that she can get back into the court and with pace...

so we'll see.

Serena has never been my absolute fave (and after the beatdown she put on Venus i was actually mad for a day or two, lol) but i do sincerely want her to break every grand slam record and become the official (by the numbers) GOAT.

But i would love for Naomi to win this!

i'm almost certain Serena will have her chances to get to #25 in the next 2 years anyway...
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Wrong. It's not about hate but lost respect to the USTA.

Oh, please. Everyone knows you have a longtime hatred of Serena Williams (and wished harm on her in old threads) and have made up hollow BS conspiracy theories to fuel your own campaign of hate. No one is buying it.

They deliberately boost Serena seed out of pure favoritism because she's an American and wanted her to have the best chance to win. Serena fanboy like you are in denial.

Once again, the completely unsubstantiated "nationalism" lie. Provide proof. Yeah, that's never going to be posted.

Most of the players are just happy to play Serena, and once they lost they say they are proud/honor to be on the same court with her. There's no winning attitude(mentality) among them.

More bullsh*t. Ah, nothing flushes your crap away quite like facts; a number of active players who have won (collectively) a boatload of majors since 2010 and did not take a backseat to anyone:
  • Schiavone - FO - 2010
  • Clijsters - USO 2010 & AO 2011
  • Li Na - FO 2011 & AO 2014
  • Kvitova - Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
  • Stosur - USO 2011
  • Sharapova - FO 2012 & FO 2014
  • Azarenka - AO 2012 & 2013
  • Bartoli - Wimbledon 2013
  • Pennetta - USO 2015
  • Kerber - AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
  • Muguruza - FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
  • Ostapenko - FO 2017
  • Stephens - USO 2017
  • Wozniacki - AO 2018
  • Halep - FO 2018
23 majors in a highly competitive field, and contrary to you and the other slobbering haters on this board, none of the winners were named Serena Williams.

...so much for your limp "there am no winning attitude among them". We know it burns you that Serena might add another chapter to tennis/sports history this evening. Even if she does, it does not erase the high number of majors have been won by 15 different players as seen in the list. If she does not, its just more evidence (not even needed at this point) that the WTA remains highly competitive for a variety of players...unlike that other pro tennis tour.

Take the lies and tears elsewhere.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Oh, please. Everyone knows you have a longtime hatred of Serena Williams (and wished harm on her in old threads) and have made up hollow BS conspiracy theories to fuel your own campaign of hate. No one is buying it.



Once again, the completely unsubstantiated "nationalism" lie. Provide proof. Yeah, that's never going to be posted.
Oh please. Just making up story is NO proof. Worthless and nothing but lie.


More bullsh*t. Ah, nothing flushes your crap away quite like facts; a number of active players who have won (collectively) a boatload of majors since 2010 and did not take a backseat to anyone:
  • Schiavone - FO - 2010
  • Clijsters - USO 2010 & AO 2011
  • Li Na - FO 2011 & AO 2014
  • Kvitova - Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
  • Stosur - USO 2011
  • Sharapova - FO 2012 & FO 2014
  • Azarenka - AO 2012 & 2013
  • Bartoli - Wimbledon 2013
  • Pennetta - USO 2015
  • Kerber - AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
  • Muguruza - FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
  • Ostapenko - FO 2017
  • Stephens - USO 2017
  • Wozniacki - AO 2018
  • Halep - FO 2018
23 majors in a highly competitive field, and contrary to you and the other slobbering haters on this board, none of the winners were named Serena Williams.

...so much for your limp "there am no winning attitude among them". We know it burns you that Serena might add another chapter to tennis/sports history this evening. Even if she does, it does not erase the high number of majors have been won by 15 different players as seen in the list. If she does not, its just more evidence (not even needed at this point) that the WTA remains highly competitive for a variety of players...unlike that other pro tennis tour.

Take the lies and tears elsewhere.

Competitive field.:D

One of the worst generation ever in women's tennis. The NEXTGEN sucks so bad that a player wins 10 slams in her 30s. That would never have happened from any previous era.
37 years old mother is still in slam contention plus with the help of the USTA is nothing brag about.
 

skyline

Legend
i just don't know if Naomi has the serve and FH to get the job done. i certainly hope she does.

her strokes are pretty short and compact, especially her serve and FH. there are pros and cons to that, i feel her FH cross-court can sometimes be lacking and does not penetrate the court, it sits up a little bit sometimes and Serena will feast on that. similar with Osaka's serve: her down the T can be fast and placed well, but her out wide is not placed that well all the time and is markedly slower usually w/o a lot of kick.

on the plus side, her compact FH allows for good shots on defense that she can get back into the court and with pace...

so we'll see.

Serena has never been my absolute fave (and after the beatdown she put on Venus i was actually mad for a day or two, lol) but i do sincerely want her to break every grand slam record and become the official (by the numbers) GOAT.

But i would love for Naomi to win this!

i'm almost certain Serena will have her chances to get to #25 in the next 2 years anyway...
She might have other chances for sure but 2 yrs isn’t that long of a time, and I do see her wrapping it all up after 2020 Olympics.

Naomi will have more chances than she no matter how you slice it.
 

AndyM

Legend
How many times you think they'll play that chase commercial Mama Said Knock You Out I'm going to knock Serena out
 

a10best

Legend
  • Schiavone - FO - 2010
  • Clijsters - USO 2010 & AO 2011
  • Li Na - FO 2011 & AO 2014
  • Kvitova - Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
  • Stosur - USO 2011
  • Sharapova - FO 2012 & FO 2014
  • Azarenka - AO 2012 & 2013
  • Bartoli - Wimbledon 2013
  • Pennetta - USO 2015
  • Kerber - AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
  • Muguruza - FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
  • Ostapenko - FO 2017
  • Stephens - USO 2017
  • Wozniacki - AO 2018
  • Halep - FO 2018
23 majors in a highly competitive field, and contrary to you and the other slobbering haters on this board, none of the winners were named Serena Williams.
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This was not directed at me. BUT "highly competitive" to me means consistent year in and year out (Cavs /Warriors, Patriots/Steelers). A real rivalry where you don't know who will win H2H. The men's Big 4 are "highly competitive" and consistent for 10+ years (except for when one of them were injured). Not that group above. They can be healthy and still lose.

Most of the women above could and did lose to more inferior players since 2010than Serena did. That's what Chris and Pat Morataglou have said as well and they obviously don' t hate Serena.

SW's level is a step above many of the rest cannot reach so they just admire her and lose. Her serve, return, shallow angle shots, power shots.
What do you do? what's worked for some is you have to overpower her like Mugs did and what Osaka will need to do. Otherwise,
 

FakeEmpire

Professional
She might have other chances for sure but 2 yrs isn’t that long of a time, and I do see her wrapping it all up after 2020 Olympics.

Naomi will have more chances than she no matter how you slice it.

Now, now. You're being greedy. :p Serena already has 23 Slams, while Osaka is yet to win her first. And if it's true she will have much more chances considering her younger age, it's also true she might have the bad luck (hope not) of seeing her career derailed by injuries. All she has, by now, are expectations really.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Looking forward to this. Rooting for Serena but I have a feeling Osaka will pull off the upset. Whatever happens here's hoping for a great final. :)
 

brinkeguthrie

Hall of Fame
How many times you think they'll play that chase commercial Mama Said Knock You Out I'm going to knock Serena out
I've seen it so many times. I think there's an extended cut where she is running dramatically thru some trees or something.

I may watch w/o the sound. There's only so much gushing from Chrissie one can take. "Oh, but she's so brave out there." Erp.
 

NuBas

Legend
Damn it, the ESPN announcers are on both TV and stream. Thought there would be different announcers online.
 
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

Guest
My biggest hope for this match is that it not be a blow-out; instead I want it to be an enjoyable match in which both players are at their best :)

I am rooting for Osaka but will be fine with a Serena win if that's what happens :)
 
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