2018 USO Womens Final : ThisMama Serena Williams vs Japanese Queen Naomi Osaka

[Mr.Lob]

Margaret court tonight after another Serena slam final loss. Her record still stands.. for now.

Yes, Serena lost in her bid to tie the slam record. Looks like you'll have to wait to taste the salty tears of all those "middle age white guys" you was talking about. Sorry sweetie. LOL.

 

[abmk]

I don't like how the crowd behaved and am saddened for Osaka. I said that earlier in the thread. I am pointing out your double standards when it comes to the crowd and bringing them up when it suits your cause. Of course the USO crowd is always classless but at least they gave her more respect during the match, before the controversy, than they gave Novak.

Serena was out of line as I have said more than once and her behavior was uncalled for. That still doesn't mean I can't call out an umpire who is known for being controversial and only made the situation worse. I think it was a s**t show from him and Serena.

What double standards ?I already said USO crowd behavior was bad in USO 15 final.Do you want to keep making up more stuff ?

It doesn't justify crowd's behavior, but djoko made it worse for himself with New York crowd with what happened in 08.

If Naomi had said something like that and was "fiery" like Novak, she'd be greeted the same way or worse during the match.

And no, its just your bias against Carlos Ramos.
the problem was Serena's behavior, her coach coaching and the crowd booing.
no fault/problem with the umpire Carlos Ramos.

Edit : Again, refer you back to this :
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ueen-naomi-osaka.626338/page-33#post-12706775

 

[I Am Finnish]

Hahahaha, is that Troicki?

 

[Latetothegame]

I'm not sure I understand your point. Do you think I think it was unfair to give her the warning? Because I don't. All I think is that it ::might:: have helped had he said, "it's not that I necessarily think you invited it or participated in it but, Serena, you damn well know the rules don't require that to be the case. He was coaching you and I saw it."

She was offended on a personal level bc clearly she thought he believed she willingly participated in the coaching. And maybe he did think that, what do I know? In that case it's understandable he wouldn't defuse like I'm wishing he would have tried to. Yes, he could indeed honestly believe she was a participant. I think that's a crazy thing to think, but that's just me.

No, it doesn't matter in terms of the rule itself whether she participated but it mattered to her personally b/c she was aggravated to no end at being labeled (even only by implication) a cheat. I do understand that on a purely human/personal level.

Here you go again expecting something from an umpire that is just in your head, this is a sports event, they don't say before , oh my the way if it's serena don't accuse her of coaching because she is sensitive like that, you know she is an icon of the sport,
I repeat She KNOWS the rules,
You are going down an extremely dangerous route in the expectation you want because it's someone you feel you know? , is her personal standing bigger than the sport..I don't think so but you seem to.
It was not her husband giving her signals it was her coach
If the umpire sitting in the chair, with a job to do, thought it was fair to give her the warning then it was.

 

[jacob22]

Point penalty well deserved. But Game penalty? Come on! That was a bad call. Serena was never gonna beat Osaka anyway. Naomi is an outstanding talent.

Why do people keep getting hung up on the game penalty issue? It's not a game penalty for verbal abuse, it's a 3rd code conduct violation which equals game penalty.

 

[Tia]

Exactly,, that's what I am saying..... If Carlos refrained himself from giving Serena another penalty for Game penalty, that 2nd set was Tied,,,,,and it was very possible that Serena could have came back and won that 2nd set and maybe even the match...... so Serena is thinking Carlos stole the match from me.......................

But it was Naomi who came back from o:2 and after than Williams double faulted 3 (?) times, smashed her racquet and got another warning. It was absolutely her fault.

 

[disgruntledamsel]

This match was off the charts drama...but did anyone catch Sasha pointing when Serena broke her racquet and say, “hey .... “ while pointing his finger. I can’t make out what he says, but it looks like he was seeking repercussions? Hehe. It’s like he knows Serena’s reindeer games.

 

[skyline]

Hahahhaha.

But he got a penalty in each of these, right? That's what it seemed like....

 

[Krish0608]

Why do people keep getting hung up on the game penalty issue? It's not a game penalty for verbal abuse, it's a 3rd code conduct violation which equals game penalty.

I'm saying he could have let it slide. Be a bit more considerate. Come on, this $#!t happens in tennis. We all know it. I just felt he could have maybe let it slide one more time and not taken such a drastic step, that too in the finals.

 

[skyline]

Here you go again expecting something from an umpire that is just in your head, this is a sports event, they don't say before , oh my the way if it's serena don't accuse her of coaching because she is sensitive like that, you know she is an icon of the sport,

And here you go again, imputing to me things i didn't write.

Perhaps it's best we don't communicate further.

 

[disgruntledamsel]

After Patrick admitted he was coaching, the code violation was warranted, but Serena calling Carlos a thief is.... what? She needs to be accountable for her defamatory statements, no? Yeah, right, never gonna happen. Just joshin you people.

In her presser, she doubled down and said that she wants to set an example for her daughter to stand up for what’s right! Her daughter is going to be angry lobster. What if her daughter ends up hating sports? Hahaha. She wouldn’t be allowed, what am i saying? Can you imagine if her daughter’s passion was shooting darts and drinking beer?

 

[skyline]

I guess it’s obvious, but I wish someone in the press would have asked her if, after she got that code violation, she came unglued because all she could think about was when I win, everyone is going to wonder if it was because of the hand signals from my coach - and that can’t stand. It’s the only thing that explains why she was so hell bent on damage control with regard to that coaching issue..... it’s like she thought the headline would be “Serena wins US Open.... with a little hand help from her friends.”

They tiptoed around her, which ain't great imo, but I wouldn't expect anything different under the circumstances, I guess.

They did at least ask her about Patrick admitting to coaching.

 

[britam25]

I didn't see the match, had prior commitments, but recorded it with every intention of avoiding seeing or reading the result before doing so. I'm driving, and a music station I listen to has 2 minutes of news at the top of every hour, almost invariably politics or some national tragedy. Imagine my surprise when the announcer leads off with, "...and, in the world of tennis, a huge upset of Serena Williams, and controversy about Williams receiving illegal coaching." That's a nightmare scenario-not only losing, again, in a GS final, but getting a game penalty and being involved with illegal coaching. The announcer also mentioned her coach-Patrick, I assume-later admitted that he had, indeed, made a coaching signal. I immediately lost all interest in watching the replay. I've been saying for many years-for about as long as Nadal has been around-that I have NO sympathy for ANYBODY who gets caught receiving coaching, nor do I have much sympathy for the, "but EVERYBODY does it!" argument. What seems to be almost overlooked in all of this is that it sounds like Serena was getting thumped pretty good anyway. I haven't had the stomach to read a report of the match, did Naomi play out of her head, did Serena's quickness and/or speed of foot(or lack of same) contribute heavily, or, was it a combination of both?

 

[Latetothegame]

Here you go again expecting something from an umpire that is just in your head, this is a sports event, they don't say before , oh my the way if it's serena don't accuse her of coaching because she is sensitive like that, you know she is an icon of the sport,
I repeat She KNOWS the rules,
You are going down an extremely dangerous route in the expectation you want because it's someone you feel you know? , is her personal standing bigger than the sport..I don't think so but you seem to.
It was not her husband giving her signals it was her coach
If the umpire sitting in the chair, with a job to do, thought it was fair to give her the warning then it was.

And here you go again, imputing to me things i didn't write.

Perhaps it's best we don't communicate further.

That's a shame because I thought we were having a honest discussion

 

[NuBas]

Nice year for women's tennis. Stopped SW streak of winning at least one gs since 2011.

 

[skyline]

I didn't see the match, had prior commitments, but recorded it with every intention of avoiding seeing or reading the result before doing so. I'm driving, and a music station I listen to has 2 minutes of news at the top of every hour, almost invariably politics or some national tragedy. Imagine my surprise when the announcer leads off with, "...and, in the world of tennis, a huge upset of Serena Williams, and controversy about Williams receiving illegal coaching." That's a nightmare scenario-not only losing, again, in a GS final, but getting a game penalty and being involved with illegal coaching. The announcer also mentioned her coach-Patrick, I assume-later admitted that he had, indeed, made a coaching signal. I immediately lost all interest in watching the replay. I've been saying for many years-for about as long as Nadal has been around-that I have NO sympathy for ANYBODY who gets caught receiving coaching, nor do I have much sympathy for the, "but EVERYBODY does it!" argument. What seems to be almost overlooked in all of this is that it sounds like Serena was getting thumped pretty good anyway. I haven't had the stomach to read a report of the match, did Naomi play out of her head, did Serena's quickness and/or speed of foot(or lack of same) contribute heavily, or, was it a combination of both?

It was coaching she didn't ask for or register until warned, tbf.

As to the match, she started slow and her serve never clicked. Naomi was fantastic throughout and punished her thoroughly for not being in it from the first to the last point played.

 

[disgruntledamsel]

I might be too harsh on Serena, but seriously, now that she’s married, doesn’t she understand that demanding apologies from men just don’t work? Apparently, she found herself a yes man, cuz my husband doesn’t give out apologies freely. It’s kind of like a come hell or high water situation. Maybe I should send Serena some Dr. Laura tapes.

 

[NuBas]

and to think USTA chose McHalle over Osaka

 

[disgruntledamsel]

I’m watching this match again on tennis channel, and I hate to say it, but it’s hard to walk away from this match not thinking that Serena acted an entitled fool. For some that may be normal, but not for me. With all she went through this past year, all those commercials, all the hype... it seems so anticlimactic- not because she lost, but because of the unnecessary drama that included her saying thngs like “I have a daughter” ... it’s because I’m a woman that you’re doing this to me, etc.”... there’s this weird persecution complex developing, wherein she will say, “in the face of evil, I rise”. It’s unsetttling.

 

[NuBas]

 

[mcs1970]

Same as judge follows the law, umpire follows the rules. Try to yell at judge in the court room.
But she replied to him that she saw the coach's gesture. So there was eye contact between player and her coach while gesturing happend. So there was coaching. The umpire was absolutely right.

The umpire is not a judge in a court room. Get real, and stop using some silly analogies. If this was courtroom, tons of players, including players like Djokovic, Federer would have been thrown out of many games. Don't bring up silly analogies only when it works for some player that you don't like.

Yelling at your box is not coaching. Everyone knows that. I asked do umpires look towards Djokovic's box each time he yells at the box to see if there's anything going on. Ramos seemed like he was eagerly fishing for something.

As for the 3rd that resulted in a game penalty, that was a joke.

Ramos interjected himself into a match that Naomi was winning on her own, because he started off by looking for things that other umpires ignore, unless there's a massive advantage being given to a player and then made it worse by having thin skin and giving a game penalty.

 

[mcs1970]

I’m watching this match again on tennis channel, and I hate to say it, but it’s hard to walk away from this match not thinking that Serena acted an entitled fool. For some that may be normal, but not for me. With all she went through this past year, all those commercials, all the hype... it seems so anticlimactic- not because she lost, but because of the unnecessary drama that included her saying thngs like “I have a daughter” ... it’s because I’m a woman that you’re doing this to me, etc.”... there’s this weird persecution complex developing, wherein she will say, “in the face of evil, I rise”. It’s unsetttling.

Is there room for a middle ground where folks can agree that Serena was having an embarrassing meltdown and ridiculously playing the mother/victim card (I fully agree with you there), mainly due to Naomi matching her punch for punch and then some than anything that Ramos had done until that point, and also concede that Ramos didn't do himself any favors either by interjecting himself into the match with a game penalty, just when Naomi had done a marvelous job of swinging the match back into her favor?

 

[disgruntledamsel]

No one is giving enough credir to Naomi for sheer composure. I don’t think anyone in these boards know exactly how they would respond to Serena chastising the umlire such that she gets a game penalty and you have to serve for all the marbles?!? Not to mention the angry crowd amped on 10? This final was a horror show and Naomi was steadfast. Rosol like resolve. Love her. So unbothered. Then the trophy ceremony that was cringeworthy. Contrast of psyhcological styles though - Serena was so worried about the rumoured cheating if and when she won while Naomi had to worry about getting the win handed to her because of that “prnalty game” and the crowd barking at her to let her know they think it’s bs.... Naomi decided win now, worry later. Good strategy.

 

[NuBas]

No one is giving enough credir to Naomi for sheer composure. I don’t think anyone in these boards know exactly how they would respond to Serena chastising the umlire such that she gets a game penalty and you have to serve for all the marbles?!? Not to mention the angry crowd amped on 10? This final was a horror show and Naomi was steadfast. Rosol like resolve. Love her. So unbothered. Then the trophy ceremony that was cringeworthy. Contrast of psyhcological styles though - Serena was so worried about the rumoured cheating if and when she won while Naomi had to worry about getting the win handed to her because of that “prnalty game” and the crowd barking at her to let her know they think it’s bs.... Naomi decided win now, worry later. Good strategy.

Great post. Funny in her press conference she in all honesty said, I did not know what was going on since the stadium was so noisy. Finally a good use for Arthur Ashe stadium noise.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

Is there room for a middle ground where folks can agree that Serena was having an embarrassing meltdown and ridiculously playing the mother/victim card (I fully agree with you there), mainly due to Naomi matching her punch for punch and then some than anything that Ramos had done until that point, and also concede that Ramos didn't do himself any favors either by interjecting himself into the match with a game penalty, just when Naomi had done a marvelous job of swinging the match back into her favor?

So it’s Ramos fault for calling out her coach for sending hand signals? It’s his fault that Serena obliterated her tennis racket after she was up 3-1 in the second set and now was losing 3-4? It’s Ramos’ fault that she had a nasty and disrespectful attitude towards the chair umpire of the women’s final? He didn’t need to fish for anything. It all happened in plain sight. Any argument SW had in her favor with that whole victim card went straight to the shltter when Patrick Mouragloutou admitted on live tv that HE DID coach illegally.

 

[disgruntledamsel]

Is there room for a middle ground where folks can agree that Serena was having an embarrassing meltdown and ridiculously playing the mother/victim card (I fully agree with you there), mainly due to Naomi matching her punch for punch and then some than anything that Ramos had done until that point, and also concede that Ramos didn't do himself any favors either by interjecting himself into the match with a game penalty, just when Naomi had done a marvelous job of swinging the match back into her favor?

The crazy thing about it, is that I initially thought Ramos was pulling a stealth reverse psychology poke the bear maneuvre, which would make Serena get angry and win the match. We’ve seen her play like a badass when she’s angry, so to me it was like he poked the bear.... but then the bear decided it’s too early to come out of hibernation and had a temper tantrum. It’s amazing that Naomi didn’t get rattled with all of the mental gymnastics going on. Dude. It was the strangest of events for sure.. despite all that, I still didn’t thnk Naomi had it in the bag, and that says somethng.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

“Oh jeez this girl again with her drama?”

 

[icedevil0289]

Patrick Mouratglou admitted to coaching and they showed him coaching just now on ESPN.

So yeah, very much justified.

Also @icedevil0289 , since you were asking if Serena did get coaching.

yeah i saw that, i can't believe he admittedit and then had the nerve to whine about it, though i did chuckle with him mentioning how toni does it every point. however i also believe that serena didn't see it as well.

 

[NuBas]

“Oh jeez this girl again with her drama?”

Go watch a clip of the 2009 final vs Clijsters and its the EXACT same thing. Same officials walked onto courts.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

The crazy thing about it, is that I initially thought Ramos was pulling a stealth reverse psychology poke the bear maneuvre, which would make Serena get angry and win the match. We’ve seen her play like a badass when she’s angry, so to me it was like he poked the bear.... but then the bear decided it’s too early to come out of hibernation and had a temper tantrum. It’s amazing that Naomi didn’t get rattled with all of the mental gymnastics going on. Dude. It was the strangest of events for sure.. despite all that, I still didn’t thnk Naomi had it in the bag, and that says somethng.

That reverse “poke the bear” theory definitely has worked for Novak and in some instances Roger as well.

 

[veroniquem]

I know, I was being facetious. However, Troicki has had much worse tirades than being called a thief and not gotten penalized. So have many other men (and women).

The problem is that was her 3rd violation and she kept at it. I agree that some umps would not have had the guts. But Serena pushed him again and again and he was within his rights. She cannot do something like that and then look super shocked when faced with consequences. She knew damn well she was pushing his buttons and kept upping the ante. What else did she expect would happen? She's almost 40 not 5. Past time to take responsibility for her own actions and stop acting like she's still a toddler.

 

[veroniquem]

Serena's coach said everybody coaches. This is the equivalent of saying everybody else speeds. In Serena's defence, if she never saw or heard it, how can it be coaching?

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Oh she did see it. The camera showed her looking at him but anyway her saying to the ump "he gave me a thumbs up and..." proves if it was necessary that she saw the gesture. She simply lied about what it meant.

 

[NuBas]

Oh she did see it. The camera showed her looking at him but anyway her saying to the ump "he gave me a thumbs up and..." proves if it was necessary that she saw the gesture. She simply lied about what it meant.

Well, another evidence was in the game itself. Shortly after she started moving more and more into the net which gave her a temporary lead I think in second set.

 

[icedevil0289]

I don't like how the crowd behaved and am saddened for Osaka. I said that earlier in the thread. I am pointing out your double standards when it comes to the crowd and bringing them up when it suits your cause. Of course the USO crowd is always classless but at least they gave her more respect during the match, before the controversy, than they gave Novak.

Serena was out of line as I have said more than once and her behavior was uncalled for. That still doesn't mean I can't call out an umpire who is known for being controversial and only made the situation worse. I think it was a s**t show from him and Serena.

isnt ramos controversial for the top pros in general because he calls them out, i actually think he seems far more biased against the top guys because he doesnt like the idea of them getting away with things. imo it was possible for him to give her a warning for the coaching (unfortunate that its on the player even if they didnt see it but that is the way it is ) than right away a penalty.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

yeah i saw that, i can't believe he admittedit and then had the nerve to whine about it, though i did chuckle with him mentioning how toni does it every point. however i also believe that serena didn't see it as well.

He fessed up and admitted that he did send signals. Now maybe Serena didn’t see it when the warning was given, but it’s possible he was sending signals to her prior to the first warning and possibly prior to the final. This may have been the word going around with the chair umpire committee. But for Patrick to bring up Uncle Toni was weak and cowardly. This has nothing to do with him, besides he’s not coaching anymore. So why bring Toni into this? To say that is to say that it’s okay to bend the rules, “everyone else does it.”. So which one is it Serena? You said you never cheat and that goes against your character. But everyone else does it, so it’s cool.

 

[Beacon Hill]

These refs need to stay the f out of these championship matches. PERIOD.

Exactly. I'd get rid of the line judges too. Several times I saw them interfere in the match by calling balls out. Rules are for sissies and losers.

 

[Beacon Hill]

Why do people keep getting hung up on the game penalty issue? It's not a game penalty for verbal abuse, it's a 3rd code conduct violation which equals game penalty.

Thank you.

 

[abmk]

yeah i saw that, i can't believe he admittedit and then had the nerve to whine about it, though i did chuckle with him mentioning how toni does it every point. however i also believe that serena didn't see it as well.

Serena did see it.
"Williams approached the chair to tell Ramos that it was a “thumbs-up” gesture and that she would never accept coaching on court, which is against the rules of Grand Slam events."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/sports/serena-williams-vs-naomi-osaka-us-open.html

she lied about what it meant.

It was clearly not a thumbs up sign.
Mouratglou admitted he was sending a coaching signal.
from what I saw, signal looked like he was asking her to move forward(to the net).

 

[Beacon Hill]

Serena accepted the code violation for coaching, explaining she understood why the call was made, but that it wasn't actually coaching. Then she smashed her racquet and that's an automatic code violation for any player at any time. The second code violation is a point penalty. Serena has to know this. And now she knows that her coach admitted to coaching her during the match. She is delusional if she thinks she is the victim. Yet she seems very sincere about not being a cheater. She might not actually have an accurate understanding of how she behaves in times like these because she is caught up in a sea of emotions.

 

[TMF]

Yes, you are worthless and posting lies. Where is the evidence the USTA acted in the way you claimed? Nowhere. Time to return back to you hole where your tear-soaked posters of Federer and Sharapova cover your floor.

No one is buying your lies.

Look, I can understand you're upset because Serena lost to a better player that day who had to fight against all odd.

Whether Serena had won or not, it doesn't change the fact that the USTA boost Serena seed due to favoritism, and it's unfair to other players who actually had to earn their ranking for the past 12 months.

You still believe it's a reasonable decision, that's your prerogative.

 

[Bartelby]

Move forward to the net ... that's really helpful!

But in the second set, the match descended into chaos, all instigated by the slightest of hand gestures.

Let's be realistic here. Coaching should be about a bit more than this. If it were subterfuge the signal would also have been coded.

Serena did see it.
"Williams approached the chair to tell Ramos that it was a “thumbs-up” gesture and that she would never accept coaching on court, which is against the rules of Grand Slam events."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/sports/serena-williams-vs-naomi-osaka-us-open.html

she lied about what it meant.

It was clearly not a thumbs up sign.
Mouratglou admitted he was sending a coaching signal.
from what I saw, signal looked like he was asking her to move forward(to the net).

 

[MatsPhilander]

Yes, Serena lost in her bid to tie the slam record. Looks like you'll have to wait to taste the salty tears of all those "middle age white guys" you was talking about. Sorry sweetie. LOL.

Jeez-what a choice for the most successful female player ever-a self entitled egomaniac who makes threats & behaves like a total *****, or a raving god squad bigot who wants to exterminate all non heterosexuals.

 

[MatsPhilander]

Serena accepted the code violation for coaching, explaining she understood why the call was made, but that it wasn't actually coaching. Then she smashed her racquet and that's an automatic code violation for any player at any time. The second code violation is a point penalty. Serena has to know this. And now she knows that her coach admitted to coaching her during the match. She is delusional if she thinks she is the victim. Yet she seems very sincere about not being a cheater. She might not actually have an accurate understanding of how she behaves in times like these because she is caught up in a sea of emotions.

 

[MatsPhilander]

Yes, he should. Ramos was the one who started that entire chain of events. When you are a chair umpire, you should be extremely non-intrusive and just call balls and lines. The double-standard to the men's tour is ridiculous. There will be a post-review of this by the WTA and the USTA, I am sure. Ramos could have been called a lot worse than "thief". Give me a break.

Chair umpires should *never* have quick-trigger fingers. Ramos gave out warnings to Williams like candy. The guy got emotional and played a significant part in the way the match was finished. That should never happen in tennis.

All of that said... Osaka would have won anyways... Williams was not on her game.

Ridiculous-she started it by going nuts over the coaching violation, then she destroyed her racquet, then she took umbrage at her penalty for that & has accused him of being a thief, liar & sexist-in what universe is that acceptable?

 

[seraphim7]

so are we still supposed to pretend that this creature is a gift to tennis and must not be criticized or questioned because it's sexist, racist, elitist, butthurt coz fav player lost,etc to do so? It's bad enough that people cannot even ask questions without her getting all sensitive and pulling these stupid antics on and off court. Glad she lost.

P.S why was the drug test thread of a few months ago deleted?

 

[MatsPhilander]

ESPN - you have to allow coaching going forwards.

Why the hell would somebody with 23 or whatever slams need help on the court? A coach is there to coach you off the court, not to be there giving help during matches. It needs to go the other way & ban them from the stands-they should be backstage watching on a monitor.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

This Osaka service motion is going to become one of the most taught and talked about from now on. It is the best serve in WTA. Many girls will try to copy this.

Still think Serena's is much more fluid/better.
But she certainly serves surprisingly well for someone with such a strange ball toss.

 

[MarcusInKensington]

Poor old Serena. I think you should all apologise to her.

It’s all the celebs in her box that I really feel sorry for. That’s two finals in a row now where they have have been invited to bask in her greatness, only to see her get absolutely smashed.

 

[Mr.Lob]

Go watch a clip of the 2009 final vs Clijsters and its the EXACT same thing. Same officials walked onto courts.

Thought the same thing. A bit chubbier, and grayer in the hair, but same purposeful quick strides, blazer flailing open in their wake.... from the two tournament officials.

 

[Soianka]

Move forward to the net ... that's really helpful!

But in the second set, the match descended into chaos, all instigated by the slightest of hand gestures.

Let's be realistic here. Coaching should be about a bit more than this. If it were subterfuge the signal would also have been coded.

Someone else said it looked like he was saying play the middle of the court. That's what it looked like to me and he did have his thumbs up. It didn't look like him telling her to move forward.

Serena looked in his direction for a fraction of a second as shown in camera. Doubtful she got any meaningful info from him that quickly.

Its likely she thought he was giving her the thumbs up as she said and was confused by the unusual coaching warning.

This is a woman who doesn't even use on court coaching when it's available.

Its amazing all the sinister motives ascribed to Serena by some people here.