2018 WTA Finals - General Discussion
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I'm really glad Wozniacki won her slam before this happened. It was overdue for years. It is terrible about the autoimmune condition.
Too bad about Radwanska probably having to retire because of her foot injury. If only she had won her slam too. At least she got YEC. In the era she and Woz played in, even no slam for such great players is already a major credit.
Too bad about Radwanska probably having to retire because of her foot injury. If only she had won her slam too. At least she got YEC. In the era she and Woz played in, even no slam for such great players is already a major credit.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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Osaka retired damn.
Crying when left the court.
Crying when left the court.
helixx
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what now? does this count like a win for bertens and she is thru?
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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She's through to SF.
Hamstring injury.
I Am Finnish
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Really? they didnt finished the match & Bertens won only 1 set?
ScentOfDefeat
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Great, now it's her body.
WTA unwritten rule #1: if you start liking a player with great potential, she'll become either a headcase or a glass body.
WTA unwritten rule #1: if you start liking a player with great potential, she'll become either a headcase or a glass body.
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I often can't help remarking on how smooth silky Sloane's movement is - when she isn't being sulky and not wanting to be there. She looks like she can get to any ball from virtually anybody, unless it is in-form Serena. Nobody can overpower Sloane, who is using a lot of powered down change of direction shots.
The top players imo have added a bit of Su-Wei code to their game too.
I like this court. No given style dictates, they really have to play a full spectrum of all the shots to win points.
The top players imo have added a bit of Su-Wei code to their game too.
I like this court. No given style dictates, they really have to play a full spectrum of all the shots to win points.
ScentOfDefeat
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I say bring back the court with no tramlines.
That was cool.
That was cool.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
So it is
Stephens-Pliskova
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NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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2018 Miami Masters QF Hard Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 6-1 6-2
2017 Canadian Masters R16 Hard Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 6-2 6-2
2016 Charleston SF Clay Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 6-1 3-0 Ret.
2015 Indian Wells Masters R64 Hard Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 7-6(6) 6-2
2012 Indian Wells Masters R64 Hard Angelique Kerber Sloane Stephens 2-6 7-5 6-4
Kerber get destroyed every time except when Sloaney was a teenager.
2017 Canadian Masters R16 Hard Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 6-2 6-2
2016 Charleston SF Clay Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 6-1 3-0 Ret.
2015 Indian Wells Masters R64 Hard Sloane Stephens Angelique Kerber 7-6(6) 6-2
2012 Indian Wells Masters R64 Hard Angelique Kerber Sloane Stephens 2-6 7-5 6-4
Kerber get destroyed every time except when Sloaney was a teenager.
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helixx
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NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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helixx
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NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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Sure, crying on court because she couldn't finish the match was only an act.
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Gumbo Jackson
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Crazy that it is the 5, 6, 7, & 8 seeds that are left. Slow court helped the movers and hurt the shotmakers.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
None of this years slam champs make the SF.
And Sloane is the only one left with a slam to her name. Really hope she wins it all. Would be quite the story, she started 2018 on a 6 match losing streak which eventually hit 8 consecutive losses after the Aus Open. For her to finish the year as the Year End Champion would be incredible.
And Sloane is the only one left with a slam to her name. Really hope she wins it all. Would be quite the story, she started 2018 on a 6 match losing streak which eventually hit 8 consecutive losses after the Aus Open. For her to finish the year as the Year End Champion would be incredible.
ScentOfDefeat
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If Bertens wins the YEC they should probably just cancel the whole thing next year.
Corretja winning the YEC (as a non-Slam champion) used to be a rare event, which made it that much more special, now it's becoming way too common.
And again, Halep can't help favouring her executioners: here's Bertens - who beat her to stop her from conquering a historical Canadian Open-Cincinnati double - in the semifinals, where she wouldn't be if the Romanian had decided to play this tournament.
The rest of the tour - and especially Wozniacki - should call her Santa Claus.
Corretja winning the YEC (as a non-Slam champion) used to be a rare event, which made it that much more special, now it's becoming way too common.
And again, Halep can't help favouring her executioners: here's Bertens - who beat her to stop her from conquering a historical Canadian Open-Cincinnati double - in the semifinals, where she wouldn't be if the Romanian had decided to play this tournament.
The rest of the tour - and especially Wozniacki - should call her Santa Claus.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
So Halep will finish the year as #1 at 6921 points (as we already knew)
Kerber will finish in #2, 1101 points behind Simona at 5820 points
Wozniacki will finish in #3 with 5585 points. 235 points behind Angie.
Number 4 is currently Osaka on 5082 points but Sloane, Pliskova and Svitolina can all overtake her with the title. If Bertens wins then Osaka stays as #4.
Pretty good year end top 3 and possibly top 4 with either all 4 slam champs occupying the top spots or three of the slam champs and the YEC champ.
Kerber will finish in #2, 1101 points behind Simona at 5820 points
Wozniacki will finish in #3 with 5585 points. 235 points behind Angie.
Number 4 is currently Osaka on 5082 points but Sloane, Pliskova and Svitolina can all overtake her with the title. If Bertens wins then Osaka stays as #4.
Pretty good year end top 3 and possibly top 4 with either all 4 slam champs occupying the top spots or three of the slam champs and the YEC champ.
chicagodude
Hall of Fame
Right, because Kerber and Wozniacki are such poor movers....and Pliskova is a great mover and not a shotmaker at all...
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
I'd like to think that winning the title could be a springboard to greater things for Eli. It's certainly a much bigger deal than all those Premier events she won in the last two seasons.
Long way to go though. Anyway, hoping she and Sloane battle for the trophy, I like them both while they were also flawless in round robin. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to mean much these days, all of the last four winners of this event had at least one loss in the group stage.
Long way to go though. Anyway, hoping she and Sloane battle for the trophy, I like them both while they were also flawless in round robin. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to mean much these days, all of the last four winners of this event had at least one loss in the group stage.
chicagodude
Hall of Fame
I know I am biased since I actually really like Bertens, but this is still an odd comment. Bertens has played a great year and, while lucky that Halep withdrew, has shown this year to be more than capable of beating many of the top-10 players.
Plus, did you also call for Wimbledon to be canceled the year after because Bartoli won? The USO the year after Pennetta won? The FO because Gomes won?
Not sure what the problem is, the best players have been here, and the quality of the matches has mostly been quite good actually. It's not exactly like Bertens snuck through to the SF, she had a great comeback against Kerber and barely lost to Sloane, after which she outplayed Osaka in the first set anyway.
If the issue is that there are no dominant top players who scoop up all big tourneys, well, that's a matter of taste I suppose.
chicagodude
Hall of Fame
It's actually fairly common both in the WTA and ATP finals for the winner to lose one match in the RR stage. Yes it now happened 4 times in a row on the WTA side, but there is such a thing as coincidence.
Cibulkova winning after losing 2 matches though, that was pretty bizarre.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Sure but I don't remember that ever happening for four years straight, which is an active streak as well. On ATP it only happened once in the 2010s.
Radwanska winning it a year earlier as well.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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@Mainad pull some data that it actually occur more common than you think across both gender although Womens already happen 3x in a row now.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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WTA Finals winners who win all their matches ever since RR are introduced on 2003 (15 times)
Serena Jameka Williams (2009, 2012, 2013)
Petra Kvitova (2011)
Venus Williams (2008)
Justine Henin (2007)
Kim Clijster (2003)
Lost 1x
Sharapova (2004)
Mauresmo (2005)
Justine Henin (2006)
Kim Clijster (2010)
Serena Williams (2014)
Caroline Wozniacki (2017)
Lost 2x (Are they even champion?)
Radwanska (2015)
Cibulkova (2016)
No lost 7/15
Lost 1x 6/15
Lost 2x 2/15
Serena Jameka Williams (2009, 2012, 2013)
Petra Kvitova (2011)
Venus Williams (2008)
Justine Henin (2007)
Kim Clijster (2003)
Lost 1x
Sharapova (2004)
Mauresmo (2005)
Justine Henin (2006)
Kim Clijster (2010)
Serena Williams (2014)
Caroline Wozniacki (2017)
Lost 2x (Are they even champion?)
Radwanska (2015)
Cibulkova (2016)
No lost 7/15
Lost 1x 6/15
Lost 2x 2/15
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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ATP Finals winner since 2003 as well (So the timeline is the same)
No Lost
Grigor Dimitrov (2017)
Andy Murray (2016)
Novak Djokovic (2014, 2013, 2012)
Roger Federer (2011, 2010, 2006, 2003, 2004)
Lost 1x
Djokovic (2015, 2008)
Davydenko (2009)
Federer (2007)
Nalbandian (2005)
No Lost: 10/15
Lost 1x: 5/15
Actually, pre-Fedovic it's almost 50/50 between the no lost and lost 1x. So this proportion is largely due to Fedovic was so dominating his peers (Same case as Serena as well).
No Lost
Grigor Dimitrov (2017)
Andy Murray (2016)
Novak Djokovic (2014, 2013, 2012)
Roger Federer (2011, 2010, 2006, 2003, 2004)
Lost 1x
Djokovic (2015, 2008)
Davydenko (2009)
Federer (2007)
Nalbandian (2005)
No Lost: 10/15
Lost 1x: 5/15
Actually, pre-Fedovic it's almost 50/50 between the no lost and lost 1x. So this proportion is largely due to Fedovic was so dominating his peers (Same case as Serena as well).
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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Where the doubles play? Doubles is quite great to watch actually in later stages.
It's as if Halep dictated these outcomes from the shadows. Everyone who could have threatened her YEC no. 1 standing is out.
She will now surpass Azarenka on the top 10 list and probably be on track to seriously rival Wozniacki's # of weeks in 2019. I hope she gets to add at least one more FO to her tally before she retires eventually. Passing Woz would put her right behind Davenport, with nothing but ATGs ahead of her on the list.
She will now surpass Azarenka on the top 10 list and probably be on track to seriously rival Wozniacki's # of weeks in 2019. I hope she gets to add at least one more FO to her tally before she retires eventually. Passing Woz would put her right behind Davenport, with nothing but ATGs ahead of her on the list.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
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Sloane FTW!
Man 2019 gonna be super interesting. Serena must be back at her level of fitness at AO. Hopefully Naomi keep working hard and the injury is not that serious.
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Points too, while everyone else is off, the elites can pad their leads. Maybe take off that extra tournament next year to heal some sore muscles. The rich get richer (and hard work pays off).
FakeEmpire
Professional
I feel for Wozniacki. Dealing with a diagnosis of a chronic and quite debilitating disease is harsh on itself, dealing with it while being a young athlete must be excruciating.
(And dealing with that thread about it in the GPPD is also very painful and troubling. The things I'm reading there about Caro and medicine in general are truly worrisome.)
I also have zero problems with seeing another slamless WTA finals winner. Must be my socialist side speaking, but I do like to see big titles going to different people. And I don't see why should their achievement be perceived as less considering these circumstances.
If Halep played in these WTA finals for the sake of getting some sort of revenge with a herniated disk, she would be one of the dumbest players ever. I'm really failing to see how she favoured one of her executioners, while trying to preserve her health and her career. Not to mention every single match of hers would be just horrible to watch, as she would struggle with immense pain and would not be able to show her best level. I prefer to see a healthy and motivated Bertens instead.
(And dealing with that thread about it in the GPPD is also very painful and troubling. The things I'm reading there about Caro and medicine in general are truly worrisome.)
I also have zero problems with seeing another slamless WTA finals winner. Must be my socialist side speaking, but I do like to see big titles going to different people.
And I don't see why should their achievement be perceived as less considering these circumstances.If Halep played in these WTA finals for the sake of getting some sort of revenge with a herniated disk, she would be one of the dumbest players ever. I'm really failing to see how she favoured one of her executioners, while trying to preserve her health and her career. Not to mention every single match of hers would be just horrible to watch, as she would struggle with immense pain and would not be able to show her best level. I prefer to see a healthy and motivated Bertens instead.
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It’s going to be tough for Serena, too many players can match or surpass her level now.
Mainad
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From an earlier post:
I've calculated that the number of years when the YEC was won by a Slamless champion breaks at 12 for the women and 11 for the men:.
Women: 1972 Evert, 1973 Evert, 1982 Hanika, 1987 Graf, 1988 Sabatini, 1997 Novotna, 2002 Clijsters, 2003 Clijsters, 2005 Mauresmo, 2015 Radwanska, 2016 Cibulkova, 2017 Wozniacki.
Men: 1970 Smith, 1971 Nastase, 1974 Vilas, 1978 McEnroe, 1981 Lendl, 1982 Lendl, 1990 Agassi, 1998 Corretja, 2005 Nalbandian, 2009 Davydenko, 2017 Dimitrov.
The number of YEC champions who remained Slamless breaks at 4 for the men and 3 for the women (at time of posting).
Men: 1998 Corretja, 2005 Nalbandian, 2009 Davydenko, 2017 Dimitrov.
Women: 1982 Hanika, 2015 Radwanska, 2016 Cibulkova.
EkVraNaamEnVan
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If you follow Osaka, she has always had injury issues, especially abdominal strain. This year already she had injuries to her chin (before French Open affecting training), abdominal strain (in Birmingham affecting her serve before Wimbledon - the same injury which prevented her from participating in Wimbledon in 2016, and retiring from matches in 2017), calf injury (at WTT before Citi Open), back strain (Beijing), hamstring (Singapore) and of course the mental side of things when she just doesn't want to play, especially on clay or when she is a set behind. Since they are working on her fitness and Sascha said they will also work on her to fight for every point even if she is a set behind in the off-season, maybe she will improve. Get ready for the rollercoaster ride.
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