2019 ATP Rome Masters

Champion


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And then you woke up.
No, I stand by my words. He never beat him in these venues and had match points in 2006, so that indeed was his best chance until now. And now I believe he can beat him, so IMO it has to be his best chance since then.

Surely it is because Rafa’s bad clay season, but that doesn’t make my estimation invalid. I just say if they meet this year, Federer has a chance to win. And I don’t think this is far-fetched by any means.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
No, I stand by my words. He never beat him in these venues and had match points in 2006, so that was his best chance indeed. And now I believe he can beat him, so IMO it has to be his best chance since then.

Surely it is because Rafa’s bad clay season, but that doesn’t make my estimation invalid. I just say if they meet this year, Federer has a chance to win. And I don’t think this is far-fetched by any means.
I think it is. There's no way a near 38 year old Fed is beating Nadal on clay, no matter how bad Rafa is playing.
 
No, I stand by my words. He never beat him in these venues and had match points in 2006, so that indeed was his best chance until now. And now I believe he can beat him, so IMO it has to be his best chance since then.

Surely it is because Rafa’s bad clay season, but that doesn’t make my estimation invalid. I just say if they meet this year, Federer has a chance to win. And I don’t think this is far-fetched by any means.
As much as I would like to see Fed beat Raf on clay, I think that ship has sailed in 2017.
 
I think it is. There's no way a near 38 year old Fed is beating Nadal on clay, no matter how bad Rafa is playing.
It's unlikely for sure, but Rafa isn't nearly as scary as he used to be. Nobody's afraid of that forehand anymore.

Same kind of goes for Fed. The winner from anywhere potential is kind of gone.
 
Dominic Thiem's 2019 claycourt season heading into Roland Garros:



Buenos Aires SF (lost to Schwartzman)

Rio R32 (lost to Djere)

Monte Carlo R16 (lost to Lajovic)

Barcelona W (beats Nadal SF)

Madrid SF (lost to Djokovic)

Rome R32 (just lost to Verdasco)
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
Dominic Thiem's 2019 claycourt season heading into Roland Garros:



Buenos Aires SF (lost to Schwartzman)

Rio R32 (lost to Djere)

Monte Carlo R16 (lost to Lajovic)

Barcelona W (beats Nadal SF)

Madrid SF (lost to Djokovic)

Rome R32 (just lost to Verdasco)
Thiem gained his clay reputation by beating an old Nadal 4 times on the surface. That's it.
 
Dominic Thiem's 2019 claycourt season heading into Roland Garros:



Buenos Aires SF (lost to Schwartzman)

Rio R32 (lost to Djere)

Monte Carlo R16 (lost to Lajovic)

Barcelona W (beats Nadal SF)

Madrid SF (lost to Djokovic)

Rome R32 (just lost to Verdasco)
So basically all the hype comes from Thiem beating a crapola Nadal in Barcelona and losing a close straight set match to Djokovic?

I was so blind.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
Thiem gets put in Roger's quarter:
Plays some characteristically excellent clay court tennis throughout the tournament, and plays line licking shots to clutch past Roger who also plays well.

Thiem gets put in Nadal's quarter:
Gets wrecked in the 2nd round.
Thiem plays against Fedr, is surprisingly clutch.

Thiem plays against somebody who isn't Fedr, he plays like a mug when it matters.

Fedr brings out the best in people.
 
As much as I would like to see Fed beat Raf on clay, I think that ship has sailed in 2017.
Why in 2017? He beat him everywhere else that year (what he never achieved before, not even close to this kind of dominance) and didn’t play clay since then. Firstly it is not clear how the new dynamics of the matchup transform to clay and secondly Nadal is clearly worse than in 2017 everywhere, but especially on clay.
 
Why in 2017? He beat him everywhere else that year (what he never achieved before, not even close to this kind of dominance) and didn’t play clay since then. Firstly it is not clear how the new dynamics of the matchup transform to clay and secondly Nadal is clearly worse than in 2017 everywhere, but especially on clay.
Fed's game looked great in 2017. I think Federer might have beaten Nadal in BO3 that year. I doubt if he can beat Nad this year.
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
Thiem gets put in Roger's quarter:
Plays some characteristically excellent clay court tennis throughout the tournament, and plays line licking shots to clutch past Roger who also plays well.

Thiem gets put in Nadal's quarter:
Gets wrecked in the 2nd round.
Thiem plays against Fedr, is surprisingly clutch.

Thiem plays against somebody who isn't Fedr, he plays like a mug when it matters.

Fedr brings out the best in people.
Thiem really did not play that well though. Played well in Barcelona but played pretty muggish against both Federer and Djokovic.
 
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