2019 Australian Open 4R - [4] Alexander Zverev vs. [16] Milos Raonic

[beltsman]

McEnroe talking about Raonic is insufferable

 

[tennisjedi]

Zverev showing absolutely no heart.

 

[TennisFan3]

I really dislike the arrogance of Djokovic's fans. Yes, he very well could win, but it isn't inevitable. He has lost matches he was supposed to win. Nadal is playing at a high enough level that if he doesn't get injured he can win AO 2019.

There is no arrogance here. It's just a matchup thing. There are times when Nadal has been playing far better than Djoko and still loses to the Serb. The presence of Nadal on the other side, just makes Djokovic play better.
Sort of what Nadal used to do to Federer years ago. Djokovic was a problem for Rafa even before Novak became a slam winning machine.
On this surface based on the record, history and the matchup - Novak is by far the favorite against Nadal. If this were the UsOpen or RG, you might have a point, but certainly not at the AO.

 

[Enceladus]

Raonic-S. Zverev 6:1, 6:1
Milos closed 2nd set ROS cross winner!

 

[time_fly]

Zverev should fake an injury and retire at this point. Staying on the court isn't good for his psyche.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

The Scoreline looks interesting enough to tune in to watch from the 3rd set!


Anyone think Zed can mount a comeback?

 

[Steve0904]

I agree. It's just too bad. I'm desperately looking for the next player I can be a fan off, once Fedal retire (which is probably happening sooner than we think).
I wanted that guy to be Zverev, but he keeps disappointing. I had originally thought he would be future #1 with several slams. Now I am not sure. Also don't see anyone else with potential.
Perhaps it is Tpisitsas.

Yes, looks like Tsitsipas to me. Wouldn't quite give up on Shapovalov either.

 

[beltsman]

WAT? What's happening with Zverev? I just sat down to start my work and switched on my TV and Zverev gonna eat double Canadian baguettes?

He's tanked both sets for unknown reasons. Not even running for balls.

 

[oldmanfan]

Didn't know that peak-Djokovic is spelled 'Raonic', hmmmm.

 

[3fees]

Milos v Zverev 61,61 Double breadstick

Cheers
3fees

 

[abmk]

Even prime Nadal was not invincible on clay. Soderling beat him didn't he?
But Djokovic on AO, is as close to domination on hardcourts as you can ever get. Which other player has dominated this surface more?

Federer.
5 in a row at the USO
6 total at the AO

 

[NoleFam]

Damn Zverev's serve is horrible and Raonic is rolling over him like bulldozer with no mercy. Lol.

 

[beltsman]

Yes, looks like Tsitsipas to me. Wouldn't quite give up on Shapovalov either.

Shapo will amount to less than Tsonga. His game is too wild.

 

[Tennease]

He's tanked both sets for unknown reasons. Not even running for balls.

Surely not match fixing?

 

[Deon Sanders]

I dont know how you bet on him in another slam this year

 

[beltsman]

Surely not match fixing?

I mean...that would be extremely unlikely. Seems he's just in a really bad mental state. Dont' know why.

 

[JJGUY]

Why does Zverev play so well in best of 3 and crash and burn in best of 5 matches?

stamina? mindset? laziness?

 

[Terenigma]

Just a message for anyone tuning in:

Yes, Zverev has been garbage but Raonic has been incredibly solid, especially on return. It's a carbon copy of the Nadal v Berdych match performances

 

[pikku05]

You honestly feel that Medvedev will even make it competitive against Djoko? I'd be surprised if he even won a set.
Djokovic is not Fed and he is not losing to anyone these days in the slams. And i doubt Medvedev is as good as the Greek kid who beat Fed.

Last time Novak played at a high level was at Shanghai masters last year. Medvedev has a good chance

 

[tennisjedi]

Maybe Tomic took over Zverev's body?

 

[NoleFam]

Look how pathetic is next generation and people think they'll beat Djokodal at slams? Next generation should defeat players like Cilic, RBA , Raonic etc before they even think about winning slams.

Zverev is overrated because he hasn't shown he's capable in a BO5 to defeat the best players. Tsitsipas will be much tougher down the road in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

Okay i give it to you Nadal is the only one who has any chances against Nole in slams but he has mental block against him.

2-2 on hard courts at slams is it a mental block?

 

[Tennease]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAT ZVEREV PULVERIZED HIS OWN RACQUET DURING CHANGEOVER looooooooooooooool

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Nadal was injured. Prime and healthy Nadal was invincible at RG.

Djoko isn't as strong as he was in 2015.



Haha, I know. Don't worry, no offense taken.

Welcome to the forums btw, haven't seen you around til now so here's my welcome mat.

 

[Noletheking]

Yes, looks like Tsitsipas to me. Wouldn't quite give up on Shapovalov either.

With that bh and ground game both will be lucky to beat Djokodal once in a while at slam

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Either Bautista Agut or Tsitsipas are guarenteed to make a slam SF here in Melbourne.

Meanwhile our world number 4 still without a slam SF and looks like he's about to lose before another slam QF.

 

[reaper]

Zverev should fake an injury and retire at this point. Staying on the court isn't good for his psyche.

He should be able to beat Raonic in straight sets.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Why does Zverev play so well in best of 3 and crash and burn in best of 5 matches?

There's much more at stake in a GS so Zverev tends to get nervous on these occasions.

 

[EloQuent]

About time we stopped pretending that Zverev is representative of the NextGen when you have Tsitsipas and Tiafoe doing stuff.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

I think Zverev is just pretending he can't play so that Milos can feel better about himself.
He's playing Seinfeld in this match.

 

[jorjipy]

Even prime Nadal was not invincible on clay. Soderling beat him didn't he?
But Djokovic on AO, is as close to domination on hardcourts as you can ever get. Which other player has dominated this surface more?

The guy has made the semis just 6 times in his career at the Oz Open.....that's a lot of losses before the semis since 2007.....just facts

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Roanic must have felt inspired by Rafa's effort yesterday!

 

[Steve0904]

With that bh and ground game both will be lucky to beat Djokodal once in a while at slam

Sure, for now.

 

[NuBas]

Surely not match fixing?

Yeah either complete mental blockage or something else is at bay. Maybe Lendl paid off?

 

[Steve0904]

Shapo will amount to less than Tsonga. His game is too wild.

Perhaps.

 

[luiz_gustavo]

Is there any other similar case to a young promising player that people used to talk so much and he felt so much pressure that he went on to win no slams?
I know people talked a lot about Gasquet when he was young, but I'm not sure he was ever a bet of anyone to win slams.

 

[Noletheking]

2-2 on hard courts at slams is it a mental block?

I guess you didn't see last year's semifinal Nadal lost even though he played better and choked in tiebreak and couldn't convert something like 5 bps in 5th.

 

[NuBas]

This is like Kerber vs Collins match yesterday

 

[Deon Sanders]

Surely not match fixing?

Seems counter productive

No one sane would bet on Zed winning

 

[Midaso240]

What a great day. I received a new watch that I've been hoping to get for a long time, sushi for lunch, my wife has basically given me the day off everything, a nice long afternoon slot in my schedule for a run, I've got a couple of other things ready to watch if Zverev turns it around, but this is the sweetest ****-cherry on top of a great day.

Courier: LOW ENERGY. Yep. It has been said.

Only will be a great day if Halep can school Williams later on. Then there will only be players left in the draws that I would be happy to see win the title (well,actually Milos would sort of annoy me but I can't deny he's playing great here)

 

[anfield]

Tsitsipas will rule the generation, I hope Shapo steps up, but he looks a bit flakey and nervy. Very happy they both have long hair and OHBH, love the throwback. But my Greek blood is very happy for Stephanos, he's box office.

 

[icedevil0289]

Either Bautista Agut or Tsitsipas are guarenteed to make a slam SF here in Melbourne.

Meanwhile our world number 4 still without a slam SF and looks like he's about to lose before another slam QF.

i think he jumped over fed to be no.3 now. strong atp.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I'm c*mming

 

[Terenigma]

Is there any other similar case to a young promising player that people used to talk so much and he felt so much pressure that he went on to win no slams?
I know people talked a lot about Gasquet when he was young, but I'm not sure he was ever a bet of anyone to win slams.

Henman? Maybe?

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

Coric, De Minaur (he was unfortunate at this tournament in that he met Nadal in an early round), Tsitsipas, and yes Zverev all can work this year towards improving their games, both physically and mentally. I am sure there are some others that I am blanking out at the moment. Once Federer retires things will start to change.

 

[NoleFam]

Zverev's horrible play aside, people underrate Raonic a bit in my opinion. He has beaten Wawrinka and Federer in Slams and pushed Murray to 5 here in 2016. He's not a pushover.

 

[Noletheking]

Zverev is overrated because he hasn't shown he's capable in a BO5 to defeat the best players. Tsitsipas will be much tougher down the road in my opinion.

And Zverev is the only one from next generation that has done remotely anything in his career that alone tells you how pathetic is next generation.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Welcome to the forums btw, haven't seen you around til now so here's my welcome mat.

Thanks.

Federer.
5 in a row at the USO
6 total at the AO

I agree, Federer is still the AO GOAT for now. Djoko will be the new AO GOAT if he wins this tournament.

 

[True Fanerer]

I'm just now tuning in.

Wth

 

[Steve0904]

Carlos enforcing the rules. How racist.