2019 Australian Open Men’s Singles Final (1) Novak Djokovic V (2) Rafael Nadal

Who will win the title?

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 47 18.5%
  • Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 88 34.6%
  • Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 39 15.4%
  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 16 6.3%
  • Nadal in 4

    Votes: 58 22.8%
  • Nadal in 5

    Votes: 45 17.7%

  • Total voters
    254

AndyM

Hall of Fame
Hitman Hitman I know you Lena won't be there will his parents be there or they never watch the final same person because they're too nervous
 

AndyM

Hall of Fame
It 2012 I ended up waking up and catching the fourth and fifth set live I thought the match was going to be over I thought I was going to watch it on tape but they were still in the fourth-set when I woke up
 
Don't see it that way regarding the last three points.
I guess you're wrong then, lololol.

0-15 - chose to go with CC forehand after Djokovic his the DTL forehand. It was a tough position for any shot, be he still decided to go with CC (a safer one).
Not much of a choice there given the quality of Djoko's FHDTL, or do you think Nadal should always go DTL even when it's extra risky/difficult?

0-30 - He hit a good serve and got a short reply, was in a good position to go with the inside-out forehand, but he decided to go with inside-in FH to Djokovic's more reliable weapon. That's where he lost the point imo, regardless of him slipping. His court position was already compromised before the fall.
Already tried I/O last point and ended up losing it; even then, Nadal managed to get to the ball despite slipping, though he couldn't control it. Normally he'd have gotten there in time, even if in a slightly disadvantaged position - not close to a sure thing.

0-40 - He was standing on the middle of the baseline after the return and again chose to go CC (to Novak's BH). Got another flat/hard CC from Nole and again went with CC FH (and made an UE).
That's the bad point, yep.
 
I guess you're wrong then, lololol.



Not much of a choice there given the quality of Djoko's FHDTL, or do you think Nadal should always go DTL even when it's extra risky/difficult?



Already tried I/O last point and ended up losing it; even then, Nadal managed to get to the ball despite slipping, though he couldn't control it. Normally he'd have gotten there in time, even if in a slightly disadvantaged position - not close to a sure thing.



That's the bad point, yep.
Regarding 0-30, I was thinking more of a badly constructed point (not going with the inside out immediately after return), not the final shot (the slip), etc.

Anyway, who do you think will win tomorrow (and why;))?
 
What do you mean with weakest part of his game? Is Djokovic's forehand the weakest part of his game despite being impressive?

Nadal is one of the greatest returners of all time. He is the greatest returner ever on clay, and the 15th greatest returner ever on hard courts:

https://www.atptour.com/en/stats/le...r&surface=hard&versusRank=all&formerNo1=false

The Return Rating is calculated by measuring 4 factors:
1) % 1st Serve Return Points Won
2) % 2nd Serve Return Points Won
3) % Return Games Won
4) % Break Points Converted



Even Djokovic himself stated that Nadal is a great returner.

"I will have pression on my serve because Nadal returns well" (7:40)




The Nadal-Djokovic matches are full of mutual breaks!! I have no problem to admit that Djokovic's return is better, but it doesn't mean Nadal's return is not great as well. They have different styles by the way. Djokovic is a more aggressive returner which typically goes for the return winner, while Nadal focuses more in returning a high percentage of serves to later win the point form the baseline.
Did you read my previous post properly. Nadal's return stats are biased because of his strong ground game. I'm just talking about that one shot - the serve return. Don't mix it with what happens afterwards in the point where Nadal because of his excellent movement forehand and backhand can still win points. For ex: Nadal has a very good serve % hold rate. Among the top. Does that mean he has the best serve? Would his serve be considered better than someone who serves bigger but holds less because their ground game sucks. Again a lot of players have more forehand winners than Nadal. Does that mean their forehand is better than Nadal's?

For the 100th time, Nadal's ROS is not bad per se. It is just the weakest part of his game given how strong the other things are. We might say that Fed's backhand is the weakest part of the game. Does that mean his backhand is bad? No. But it does mean that his forehand, serve etc are far superior to his backhand. Ditto for Novak's forehand. His forehand is not bad at all. But not as strong as the other things in his game and perhaps the only area he might be vulnerable.

Why Nadal struggles to return offensively is well understood. It's because of his long followthrough and the grip change between the backhand and the forehand. He also doesn't block and chip the return. Happily, he has a strong ground game to compensate for the deficiencies in his return of serve. Which is why his stats are still good. But he still struggles against big servers.

Imagine if Nadal were to return like Novak/Murray. Given how good the rest of his game is, he would be breaking everyone left and right and be almost unbeatable.
Every player has a weakness. Even an ATG does.
 
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Did you read my previous post properly. Nadal's return stats are biased because of his strong ground game. I'm just talking about that one shot - the serve return. Don't mix it with what happens afterwards in the point where Nadal because of his excellent movement forehand and backhand can still win points. For ex: Nadal has a very good serve % hold rate. Among the top. Does that mean he has the best serve? Would his serve be considered better than someone who serves bigger but holds less because their ground game sucks. Again a lot of players have more forehand winners than Nadal. Does that mean their forehand is better than Nadal's?

For the 100th time, Nadal's ROS is not bad per se. It is just the weakest part of his game given how strong the other things are. We might say that Fed's backhand is the weakest part of the game. Does that mean his backhand is bad? No. But it does mean that his forehand, serve etc are far superior to his backhand. Ditto for Novak's forehand. His forehand is not bad at all. But not as strong as the other things in his game and perhaps the only area he might be vulnerable.

Why Nadal struggles to return offensively is well understood. It's because of his long followthrough and the grip change between the backhand and the forehand. He also doesn't block and chip the return. Happily, he has a strong ground game to compensate for the deficiencies in his return of serve. Which is why his stats are still good. But he still struggles against big servers.

Imagine if Nadal were to return like Novak/Murray. Given how good the rest of his game is, he would be breaking everyone left and right and be almost unbeatable.
Every player has a weakness. Even an ATG does.
I disagree. But hey! It's OK to interchange different views here, and I enjoy reading your posts.

In my opinion, Nadal's biggest weakness always was his serve. Now that he has improved it, I think both Nadal and Djokovic are pretty much like robots without any particularly big weakness.

It will be an interesting match tomorrow.
 

upchuck

Professional
A look at their groundstroke MPH coming into this match:

Djokovic forehand/Backhand speed: 79/74
Nadal forehand/Backhand speed: 77/75

I'm somewhat surprised by this.
 

Halba

Professional
any comment on the weather forecast? Cooler, Cloudy but windy.
the first two help novak- conditions will be a bit slower(helping novak), but the wind helps rafa?
 
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