2019 Australian Open - WTA Thread

Who will win the AO?


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SystemicAnomaly

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Naomi Osaka: Minimum Round Required - Quarterfinal (#1 in live rankings after QF)
Petra Kvitova
: Minimum Round Required - Final (#2 live rank after QF win)
Elina Svitolina: Minimum Round Required - Final (lost in QF round)
Karolina Pliksova: Minimum Round Required - Title (must win AO to take #1)

Ok my grasshoppers, we are now down to 3 players vying for the #1 spot. Simona has dropped to 3rd in the live ranking. We started the AO with 11 possible and now down to the last three. The live WTA rankings, as they stand now, have Naomi at #1, Petra at #2, Simona at #3 and Karolina at #5. Danielle Collins is the only semi-finalist not in contention for the #1 slot. Serena, with her loss to Karolina, remains outside the top 10 for now.

Iff Karolina P beats Naomi O in the SF round, she moves up to #3 and Simona H ends up #4 (instead of #3). Karolina must then win the title, for an additional 700 pts, in order to take over the #1 spot. If Naomi wins her SF with Karolina, the only way that she loses the #1 ranking is if Petra K takes the title.
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Naomi Osaka: Minimum Round Required - Quarterfinal (#1 in live rankings after QF)
Petra Kvitova
: Minimum Round Required - Final (#2 live rank after QF win)
Elina Svitolina: Minimum Round Required - Final (lost in QF round)
Karolina Pliksova: Minimum Round Required - Title (lost in SF round)

And then there were 2. With Karolina's loss to Naomi in the SF round, she will end up as #5 in the official WTA ranking next week (she's moving up from #8). This leaves 2 left to battle it out for the AO title as well as the #1 spot in the WTA ranking... winner takes all. Naomi is still #1 in the live ranking, with Petra as #2, but there is only 40 pts difference between the two. The AO champion gets an additional 700 pts so this will decide who ends up as #1 in the official ranking next week.

Simona drops to #3 and Sloane moves one spot up to #4. Other notable moves: Angelique Kerber drops down four slots to #6 (and Elina stays at #7). Kiki B moves up one to #8 and Caro (Woz) drops 6 spots to #9. Aryna Sablenka finally breaks in into the top 10 and Serena sits just outside it at #11.
 
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PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Naomi Osaka: Minimum Round Required - Quarterfinal (#1 in live rankings after QF)
Petra Kvitova
: Minimum Round Required - Final (#2 live rank after QF win)
Elina Svitolina: Minimum Round Required - Final (lost in QF round)
Karolina Pliksova: Minimum Round Required - Title (lost in SF round)

And then there were 2. With Karolina's loss to Naomi in the SF round, she will end up as #5 in the official WTA ranking next week (she's moving up from #8). This leaves 2 left to battle it out for the AO title as well as the #1 spot in the WTA ranking... winner takes all. Naomi is still #1 in the live ranking, with Petra as #2, but there is only 40 pts difference between the two. The AO champion gets an additional 700 pts so this will decide you ends up as #1 in the official ranking next week.

Simona drops to #3 and Sloane moves one spot up to #4. Other notable moves: Angelique Kerber drops down four slots to #6 (and Elina stays at #7). Kiki B moved up one to #8 and Caro (Woz) drops 6 spots to #9. Aryna Sablenka finally breaks in into the top 10 and Serena sits just outside it at #11.
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Thank you for these posts throughout the tournament. Fascinating.
As @Aussie Darcy would tell you, l thoroughly enjoy posts of this nature.
I look forward to the final '1'. :)
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Lol maybe Eastern Europe.

The William sisters are not unpopular here in the UK, from what I recall Venus was more popular than Serena up until like 2009, then it was Serena.
I found, when l lived and played tennis in London for 15 years, that Serena especially really divided opinion to extremes: people either loved or disliked her. There was little middle ground. I've never known a club player that is just 'meh' about her.
That's true, to a point, on here.
I think Venus, being of a seemingly gentler nature, doesn't incite such extremes.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
I found, when l lived and played tennis in London for 15 years, that Serena especially really divided opinion to extremes: people either loved or disliked her. There was little middle ground. I've never known a club player that is just 'meh' about her.
That's true, to a point, on here.
I think Venus, being of a seemingly gentler nature, doesn't incite such extremes.
I don’t see no negative extreme side to Venus.

Plus she reached 8 Wimbledon Final’s from 2000-2010 and won 5 of them, so a lot of her popularity came from Wimbledon over here.
 
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PDJ

G.O.A.T.
I don’t see no negative extreme side to Venus.

Plus she reached 8 Wimbledon Final’s from 2000-2010 and won 5 of them, so a lot of her popularity came from Wimbledon over here.
I agree with you. Hence my final sentence.
Although I appreciate I should have made that clearer.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Lol maybe Eastern Europe.

The William sisters are not unpopular here in the UK, from what I recall Venus was more popular than Serena up until like 2009, then it was Serena.
I've visited relatives there over the years, and just getting around, I've found the Williams sisters to be very popular, transcending the sport as they have all over the world. That cannot be said of many other name players.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
What grounds have you got to call people racist, when purely commenting on the Williams sisters who are widely regarded as 2 of the most obvious frauds in Sport. I don't regard anyone as winners who don't play be the ethical rules and these two are multi-ped users I don't care if they got spurious TUE's competing with such roids is gaining an advantage, not only that only a fool believes some of their matches were not rigged. Most people here in the UK despise them with a passion, all the figures tell you women's Tennis has gone downhill since the Williams came to the fore, compared to Men's Tennis and there are plenty more men's sport to watch. Women's Tennis should be top of the tree for women's sport but it has declined for a long time.

It will change though when they have gone.
Obvious fraud according to who?

People here don't like them in the UK? Well I disagree, I won't be surprised if you are from some small village in Yorkshire. I bet you're a daily reader (and commenter) of Daily Mail right? Starting to build up a picture here.
 

WDC

Rookie
Obvious fraud according to who?

People here don't like them in the UK? Well I disagree, I won't be surprised if you are from some small village in Yorkshire. I bet you're a daily reader (and commenter) of Daily Mail right? Starting to build up a picture here.
I am not far from Yorkshire actually, not a village though, Daily Mail is a great success story and one of the few that gives Tennis outside Murray a fair wind. If you disagree and think they are popular here you are wrong. The match fixing did for them here as a major pull, that sort of smell is seen really badly. Fair play is held very dear. Even a big sport like Cricket here has never really recovered from it's fixing scandal, just a complete no here. Federer is a massive overseas sporting draw, Williams not so.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
I am not far from Yorkshire actually, not a village though, Daily Mail is a great success story and one of the few that gives Tennis outside Murray a fair wind. If you disagree and think they are popular here you are wrong. The match fixing did for them here as a major pull, that sort of smell is seen really badly. Fair play is held very dear. Even a big sport like Cricket here has never really recovered from it's fixing scandal, just a complete no here. Federer is a massive overseas sporting draw, Williams not so.
Not surprised you're not 'far' from Yorkshire, knew you was from Northern England straight away. And lol you like Daily Mail as well? Even more disgusting than I thought. Anyway, you should come down south to the city and leave the village you live in and then see for yourself.
No match fixing is done for them here, if they were the best grass players of this century I'd rather see them in the final than in Round 2, you want the latter because you don't like them, not about capabilities.

I can't imagine being as stupid as you. Imagine thinking that drugs help Serena place her serves at exact spots or help her play corners aggressively.

You're full of hate, simply.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Not surprised you're not 'far' from Yorkshire, knew you was from Northern England straight away. And lol you like Daily Mail as well? Even more disgusting than I thought. Anyway, you should come down south to the city and leave the village you live in and then see for yourself.
No match fixing is done for them here, if they were the best grass players of this century I'd rather see them in the final than in Round 2, you want the latter because you don't like them, not about capabilities.

I can't imagine being as stupid as you. Imagine thinking that drugs help Serena place her serves at exact spots or help her play corners aggressively.

You're full of hate, simply.
How do you know someone is from Yorkshire if you don't hear the accent?
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
How do you know someone is from Yorkshire if you don't hear the accent?
I just chose a random area of Northern England. Someone that dislikes both Williams sisters as much as him is obviously from the northern part of England, for obvious reasons.:)

The worst part isn't that actually, he also reads Daily Mail, LOL.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Yours is a bit harder to guess, could be anywhere:unsure:. I'll guess London for now lol!
Yorkshire.
Just kidding :)

And, for the record, I absolutely agree that the Daily Mail is a disgrace of a newspaper (although he's right that the sports coverage is good).
I've long held the view that the DM is read by people that think they are too educated to read The Sun. They're not. They all belong to a similar mindset, the difference being the amount of syllables they can cope with.
And that is nationwide.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Obvious fraud according to who?
No one--except the same group that gave themselves marching orders to attack the Williams family from the moment they dared to play professional tennis. They have no evidence or reason to accuse them of anything, save for the true reason they always deny--that denial is always the self-exposing act of the guilty.

People here don't like them in the UK? Well I disagree
Agreed,

No match fixing is done for them here, if they were the best grass players of this century I'd rather see them in the final than in Round 2, you want the latter because you don't like them, not about capabilities.
Of course.

I can't imagine being as stupid as you. Imagine thinking that drugs help Serena place her serves at exact spots or help her play corners aggressively.

You're full of hate, simply.
True. And that member is not alone, as evidenced by the usual suspects in this thread and the AO women's final thread. Some try to mask their dangerous hatred (for all of a moment), but they are always making direct or sideline references--always hostile and demeaning--to the Williams family--Serena in particular.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
No one--except the same group that gave themselves marching orders to attack the Williams family from the moment they dared to play professional tennis. They have no evidence or reason to accuse them of anything, save for the true reason they always deny--that denial is always the self-exposing act of the guilty.



Agreed,



Of course.



True. And that member is not alone, as evidenced by the usual suspects in this thread and the AO women's final thread. Some try to mask their dangerous hatred (for all of a moment), but they are always making direct or sideline references--always hostile and demeaning--to the Williams family--Serena in particular.
If only everyone was as easy going as you.
Every post sends off a palpable aura of calm and serenity.
A joy. Always.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
Yorkshire.
Just kidding :)

And, for the record, I absolutely agree that the Daily Mail is a disgrace of a newspaper (although he's right that the sports coverage is good).
I've long held the view that the DM is read by people that think they are too educated to read The Sun. They're not. They all belong to a similar mindset, the difference being the amount of syllables they can cope with.
And that is nationwide.
It’s not so much Daily Mail I hate, but it’s the comments I read, beyond disgusting.

The worst thing about Daily Mail is their exaggeration. Every winter is apparently ‘going to be’ the coldest on record, lol.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
No one--except the same group that gave themselves marching orders to attack the Williams family from the moment they dared to play professional tennis. They have no evidence or reason to accuse them of anything, save for the true reason they always deny--that denial is always the self-exposing act of the guilty.



Agreed,



Of course.



True. And that member is not alone, as evidenced by the usual suspects in this thread and the AO women's final thread. Some try to mask their dangerous hatred (for all of a moment), but they are always making direct or sideline references--always hostile and demeaning--to the Williams family--Serena in particular.
Unluckily for them, 23 can only go higher:-D.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
It’s not so much Daily Mail I hate, but it’s the comments I read, beyond disgusting.

The worst thing about Daily Mail is their exaggeration. Every winter is apparently ‘going to be’ the coldest on record, lol.
That isn't how I view the Daily Mail.
And the example you give, if that was the worst of their journalistic integrity I wouldn't begrudge buying it occasionally.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
That isn't how I view the Daily Mail.
And the example you give, if that was the worst of their journalistic integrity I wouldn't begrudge buying it occasionally.
Comments like this:
"JDoe080, Orlando, United States, 23 hours ago

Just accept your loss and be quiet about it. Always someone else's fault when things don't go her way." with 502 upvotes and 76 downvotes.

Serena literally said nothing about the foot fault call, but the Daily Mail article was titled "Was Serena ROBBED? Umpire slammed after controversial foot fault call on match point sees the former number one fall in her Australian Open quarter-final" and their thick readers comment things like that.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Comments like this:
"JDoe080, Orlando, United States, 23 hours ago

Just accept your loss and be quiet about it. Always someone else's fault when things don't go her way." with 502 upvotes and 76 downvotes.

Serena literally said nothing about the foot fault call, but the Daily Mail article was titled "Was Serena ROBBED? Umpire slammed after controversial foot fault call on match point sees the former number one fall in her Australian Open quarter-final" and their thick readers comment things like that.
I imagine most online comments for any media outlet have similiar points of view. Also JDoe is an American so presumably he doesn't actually buy the paper.
Which paper do you read? The Guardian?
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
I predict Osaka wins the AO and becomes the new #1. Maybe we finally have a young one ready to step up and dominate the tour.
 

ausfrewimuso

Semi-Pro
I imagine most online comments for any media outlet have similiar points of view. Also JDoe is an American so presumably he doesn't actually buy the paper.
Which paper do you read? The Guardian?
I know but just the fact he didn't actually read the article lol.

And I don't read as much as I used to but it was The Guardian and News of The World (until it ended).
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Comments like this:
"JDoe080, Orlando, United States, 23 hours ago

Just accept your loss and be quiet about it. Always someone else's fault when things don't go her way." with 502 upvotes and 76 downvotes.

Serena literally said nothing about the foot fault call, but the Daily Mail article was titled "Was Serena ROBBED? Umpire slammed after controversial foot fault call on match point sees the former number one fall in her Australian Open quarter-final" and their thick readers comment things like that.
That sounds exactly like certain Talk Tennis members, only their level of ever-increasing hostility toward Serena makes that quote look like a compliment.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I predict Osaka wins the AO and becomes the new #1. Maybe we finally have a young one ready to step up and dominate the tour.

At one time, I believed Azarenka (at the point when she was winning majors), then Muguruza (now 25) would be more dominant, but that did not happen (yet for Muguruza, in any case). While Osaka at 21 is young enough that her winning say, 2 majors per year would make her dominant (if the other two majors were won by two different players), it seems many players certainly have the talent to win majors, but are they destined to become "that" kind of sport-changing force? Only time will tell, starting with this AO final.
 
Yorkshire.
Just kidding :)

And, for the record, I absolutely agree that the Daily Mail is a disgrace of a newspaper (although he's right that the sports coverage is good).
I've long held the view that the DM is read by people that think they are too educated to read The Sun. They're not. They all belong to a similar mindset, the difference being the amount of syllables they can cope with.
And that is nationwide.
At least it's not as bad as The Sun @ausfrewimuso
 
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I predict Osaka wins the AO and becomes the new #1. Maybe we finally have a young one ready to step up and dominate the tour.
I hope not. Osaka can be no 1 in Doha/Dubai.
Kvitova can take no. 1 spot until she drops around 1400 points (Doha + St Pete).

Basically I want both to become no. 1 and most likely scenario is if Kvitova grab first and Naomi grabs it leading to IW.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
At one time, I believed Azarenka (at the point when she was winning majors), then Muguruza (now 25) would be more dominant, but that did not happen (yet for Muguruza, in any case). While Osaka at 21 is young enough that her winning say, 2 majors per year would make her dominant (if the other two majors were won by two different players), it seems many players certainly have the talent to win majors, but are they destined to become "that" kind of sport-changing force? Only time will tell, starting with this AO final.
Naomi just comes across to me as different than the other young players we've seen lately. She seems driven.

I guess we'll see but she seems to me to be something special.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
I just chose a random area of Northern England. Someone that dislikes both Williams sisters as much as him is obviously from the northern part of England, for obvious reasons.:)

The worst part isn't that actually, he also reads Daily Mail, LOL.
Don't knock the North of England. Some lovely people up in Yorkshire, and here in the North West as well. Plenty of Daily Heil readers in the South of England too, btw, and a huge Brexit vote. Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds all voted remain, btw.

You're just showing your own prejudices here.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Naomi just comes across to me as different than the other young players we've seen lately. She seems driven.

I guess we'll see but she seems to me to be something special.
I haven't watched her. However, I watched Kvitova in person in the 2014 Wimbledon final; she was just jawdropping. I notice she hasn't dropped a set here. I'm not going to bet against her when she reaches a GS final in that kind of form ...
 
Naomi just comes across to me as different than the other young players we've seen lately. She seems driven.

I guess we'll see but she seems to me to be something special.
Hope so. Serena had not dominate the circuit before she turned 20 although she did win one when she was 17 (Almost 18).
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I’m at work and out of the office, but I can stream it to my phone. Thank goodness I have unlimited internet. :giggle:
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Not sure if the commentators just gave something away (we pretty much all suspected anyway) that Stosur/Zhang are dating.

One of the commentators was saying how Zhang was going to retire during the 2015 season but her partner (make of that what you will) convinced her otherwise. The other commentator says that Stosur was the one who gave her inspiring words to give it her all and to play her best, quickly tries to change the tune of the conversation though. Stosur and Zhang were not doubles partners back in 2015 so she wouldn't be using the word 'partner' as in doubles partner in that context.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven't watched her. However, I watched Kvitova in person in the 2014 Wimbledon final; she was just jawdropping. I notice she hasn't dropped a set here. I'm not going to bet against her when she reaches a GS final in that kind of form ...
Naomi has had to face some higher ranked opponents, altho' she had been spared having to deal with Simona or Serena. Petra OTOH has been pretty dominant in her matches. Handing out breadsticks and a bagel in all rounds except for 1R with Rybáriková.
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