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G.O.A.T.
Lol true. I just found it funny because Roddick would get arseraided in the 2020s at RG in all 8149 simulations.
2019 French Open QF - [1.] Novak Djokovic (Ultron) vs. [5.] Sascha Zverev (Zod)
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Lol true. I just found it funny because Roddick would get arseraided in the 2020s at RG in all 8149 simulations.
xFedal
Legend
Novak Djokovic is unique in that he is a defender at heart with an attacker's gameplay. That makes it very difficult to play against him. He makes his opponents ask themselves "What do I have to do to win a point off this guy?" He started off as a defensive stamina guy, with his backhand, service return, and movement, all the classic defensive weapons. But he's since become one of the best servers on tour, with a killer forehand and an excellent second serve, the ultimate weapon of the attacker. His genius comes from his ability to shrink the court to where his side of the court is half the size of his opponent's. His rivalry with Federer is so great because Federer's genius comes from his ability to make his opponent's side of the court seem twice the size of his. Novak's main weakness is his controlling tendencies. Get into a shootout with multiple 30 shot rallies, and Djokovic is nearly unbeatable. But stretch him this way and that, mix up shots, speeds, and spins, and take away the baseline exchange off which he feeds, and he's out of his element, forced to beat his opponent straight up, where he can be ground down after one too many good shots from his opponent. Todays match against Zverev is an example of Djokovic in his defending element. Sasha did get into a lot of extended rallies, he just blew the ball away because Djokovic made him do that. It's a testament to Djokovic's skill level that he was able to win that match despite being 100 % sharp but thats enough to wipe a player of Sashas caliber.
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Djoko will be fine. Novak always raises his level when it matters most! He will be ready! Djoko juggernaut is set! Thiem will be very tough and is playing great but Djoko has that eye of the tiger and his game is in a great place.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Lol its the shtick around here. It is your fault!
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
If you say so.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
How can Novak be an "attacker" when he never serves and volleys and comes to the net 3 times a match? It's unbelievable how recent fans of the game think a defensive defender is an "attacker." For truth purposes, these two guys were attackers:
xFedal
Legend
Thiem has the confidence of beating him last time at RG convincingly so he will be the favourite in his eyes... I believe he also feels he should win it this year so will probably make it to the final where he loses to the most imposing peak in all of sports.... KoC..........
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
And 2005 Roddick would assraid every single current player at Wimbledon except Fed and Djokovic.
xFedal
Legend
Federer: ''I think both me and Novak are naturally attacking players''.....
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Lol I'm telling you man. I don't understand the reactions of this loss when they gave him no chance anyway.
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Sure.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
The first set they loved him tho. They thought he might eradicate the most lucky man in sports.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic is an aggressive baseliner with superb defensive skills and movement. His priority is to control his opponent from the middle of the court and take the ball as early as possible. Look at his return position aswell, only that indicates what kind of tennis he wants to play. You must be completely delusional to call Djokovic a defensive defender. That video you posted is from 20-30 years ago when the game was played differently from today and when serving and volleying gave you an advantage, today you can't do that. What a terrible example.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I think people forget how deadly Djokovic is at the business end of slams.
Novak has NOT even lost a set in the last 3 slam final wins. Does any other player hold such a record over consecutive slams?
This just shows that on the final weekend of a slam, Novak is as unbeatable as it can get. It really doesn't matter who is on the other side of the net.
StrongerThanAll
Professional
I figured Nole would win but Zverev didn't even give him a match. Thiem the only person that could stop Djokovic from reaching the final.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
You were right
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
That was a little unfair, since he was so young.
By the way, what about the WTF last year? That was back to back against two indoor HC GOATs basically.
Look, I didn't even watch the match (was at work, alas), but Zverev at least made it to the QF. Djokovic may well be the strongest guy in the tournament, a man on a mission.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I hope you are right. Novak has a great chance and hopefully he’s holding his 2nd FO crown on Sunday!
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I am just hoping for a good battle on Sunday. I don't want Nadal to cower in straight sets as he did in AO 2019. He looked defeated after the 1st game in that match.
I'd be fine with either of them winning to be honest.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic comes forward quite often for today's standards, probably average or above average among the current Top 10, with Fed being a clear outlier. Let's look at the semifinalists' QF matches:
Code:
+----------+--------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
| | Net pt | Net pt| Total | Net | Net % |
| | won | attp | pts | att % | won % |
+----------+--------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
| Djokovic | 13 | 18 | 170 | 10.6% | 72.2% |
| Nadal | 8 | 9 | 143 | 6.3% | 88.9% |
| Federer | 41 | 60 | 320 | 18.8% | 68.3% |
| Thiem | 9 | 11 | 157 | 7.0% | 81.8% |
+----------+--------+-------+-------+-------+-------+https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/matches/SM004
https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/matches/SM007
https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/matches/SM006
https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/matches/SM005
But don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative.
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There are 2 conclusions to be drawn from this:
1. Joco would be 18/18 net points won for 100% net points won, if he didn't miss 100% of his overheads
2. Joco would be 85/85 net points out of 170 total points played, if he didn't miss 100% of his overheads
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Why every time Djoko loses, someone says he might have done it on purpose ?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Fed lost 152 points in his match against Wawa. Based on your data 19 of those points, about 13%, were lost in net attempts. Seems like a lot when you are playing at a level that is decided by small margins.
Because you have no idea how many way a tennis player can attack? Are you so dinosaur that can't see clear baseline aggressive set ups?! The outdated idea is that the only way to "attack" is serve and volley. Nobody is that stupid with the fast raquets and strings today.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I just watched this. There really was no exaggeration for how bad Novak played in that 1st set. That was nothing like he played this whole tournament and it was baffling how erratic and passive he was. He let Zverev just dictate that set up until 4-5 and made some careless errors. It was when he went down a break that he woke up. He played a fantastic game to break Zverev at 4-5 in a game where I don't think Zverev missed a 1st serve. He used some good slices to screw up Zverev's timing and forced him to bend and hit up, and he was able to gain the advantage or draw an error. That's when his game came alive but he still did not serve as well as he had in other matches. He cannot afford to come out like that tomorrow because Thiem will take that set if he gets a lead like that.
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