MeatTornado
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Cue Ken Rosewall being right.Cue Ken Rosewall to mock Thiem at the end of the match.
Cue Ken Rosewall being right.Cue Ken Rosewall to mock Thiem at the end of the match.
He will get to 20 Slams, but Federer himself isn’t done yet.
.When will the CYGS happen?
Maybe after Nadal retires? That is the biggest problem. Players can't win French.
Novak also failed in 2019.
Will he get anothe chance in 2020 or 2021?
Djokovic should have more chances, that’s right. It’s simply because he is a bigger favourite than Nadal at 3 of the 4 Slams. But I don’t see Nadal declining very fast. Due to his injuries he has his breaks and only plays a full schedule in the clay season now, so he always gives his body the time to recover (intended or not).
Also at the French Open itself there is absolutely no sign of decline. People can talk about 2008/2010/2012 etc. as much as they like, but he doesn’t win his titles any harder now. In 2017 he didn’t drop a set, in 2018 it was one set, and it’s very much possible that it will be the same this year.
How often have people said Nadal won’t have much longevity, and still after turning 30 he lost 2 sets (!) in 20 RG matches.
He will get to 20 Slams, but Federer himself isn’t done yet.
Djokovic might very well fall into another slump and just loses a year or so. Unfortunately he is the type of guy who can easily get distracted by anything. Nadal on the other hand will never lose focus career wise, even if playing badly for a while.
Exactly. Thiem trains six hours a day from mid-November to late December. People thought Stanimal would be tired after his Tsitsipas marathon and he showed no signs of fatigue at all. Thiem will lose tomorrow, but not because he'll be tired.If Thiem loses, it won't be because he's tired. Let's just get that out of the way.
He plays more tennis than anyone. He can handle a routine straight set match on Thursday, 2.5 sets on Friday and 2.5 sets on Saturday. Unless he managed to drag Rafa deep into a late 4th or 5th set, fitness won't be an issue for him.
One of Thiem's tools will be missing - the backhand.Think thiem wins it. Gonna be a close match but thiem has all the tools.
Nope, Fed stays #3 even if Dom wins it.Win or lose, will Thiem go up to #3 in the rankings after this tournament?
Nick Savrinn. He will put up a fight but be liquidated none the less.
Pretty sure the response was Federe 2011 on clay. Djoko2011 v Thiem? Probably condition dependent. I'm not so sure Djoko2011 handles Thiem at RG in typical conditions (high bouncing and fasterer). Thiem has a tremendous record at RG early in his career and even though Djoko was formidable. Remember Nole was SF in 2007 and 2008, R32 loss to Kohly 2009, Austrian lightweight Melzer QF in 2010. Thiem has SF, SF, Final, Final or betterer run going and is a horse at RG.Did you miss Madrid and Rome that year?
If it had been dry and fast Thiem probably would have like that better; the winners would have been flying.Conditions played a part in that.
Thiem's slice and dropper tore Novak up in this match. When they were hitting topspin backhands most of the match Thiem was under extreme pressure in those exchanges (maybe late in the match as conditions dried in the sun Thiem was able to do some damage with the big backhand.)Set up by a lovely deep slice, a shot that has impressed me.
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Another mighty buffoon post; were you even aware of the extreme wind and damp conditions?Eesh, that was a pretty bad match from both players. Both were very mentally fatigued. For tennis' sake, I'm hoping for a better match in the final. But if Thiem has the same mental fatigue in the final, he is going to get straight-setted in a very routine fashion.
Considering the sad state of affairs in the clay court field and the draws Nadsy has been receiving it is comical indeed, but that actually is a double edged sword.
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If it had been dry and fast Thiem probably would have like that better; the winners would have been flying.![]()
If it had been dry and fast Thiem probably would have like that better; the winners would have been flying.![]()
Another mighty buffoon post; were you even aware of the extreme wind and damp conditions?![]()
So let's review. Good tennis matches happen when both players hold it together mentally. A poor tennis match happens when one player loses it mentally. The worst tennis matches happen when both players lose it mentally.
Tennis is NOT an outdoor sport and yet that's what it developed into
Tennis was originally on wooden hard indoor...It then developed into a rich-person's LAWN GAME. They would only play in pleasant conditions.You really need to do a better job of trolling.
What's 2015 got todo with this thread?
Who are the 3 top players of the last 15 years?Considering the sad state of affairs in the clay court field and the draws Nadsy has been receiving it is comical indeed, but that actually is a double edged sword.
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Typo - 60 UEsJust 6??
I doubt that clayqueen
Where is your roof now?Djokovic:
"When you’re playing in hurricane conditions, it’s mostly about survival. One of the worst conditions I’ve ever played in.
I don’t want to find excuses, he took it, well done. "
Are you saying it should go back to be only played on lawns in pleasant conditions by rich people, or on harwood floors?Tennis was originally on wooden hard indoor...It then developed into a rich-person's LAWN GAME. They would only play in pleasant conditions.
If you knew about tennis history you know it only started becoming a gladiator sport with the introduction of clay. And for that reason we have grunts like Rafito who run 3 meters behind the baseline, waste 30 seconds between points, and 120sqin rackets. Tennis is a farce now.
Thiem made many passes but also missed quite easy ones . Several in the 5th he would it hit it straight back to Novak when there was an open court
The 5th set and drama doesn’t make it easy
No, although clearly more indoor tournaments need to be added, more indoor wood, indoor grass, indoor clay. What I"m saying is that at the very least, a rule needs to be enacted to forbid play in conditions exceeding 10mph wind or 90 degree weather. Preferably tennis would only be played in 70 degree weather but the greed of tennis overlords will never allow any of this.Are you saying it should go back to be only played on lawns in pleasant conditions by rich people, or on harwood floors?
Tennis players nowadays have better nutrition, better physical conditioning, and better technology than ever before. I don't think there is a need for further pampering. Your wish to have more indoor tournaments is legitimate though I don't share it. If you want to be a purist you might as well demand matches to be played with wooden rackets and gut. Tennis has evolved like everything else. This mythical sport you refer to has been dead for 100 years and I don't believe it was superior to the sport that these guys and other people like Borg, McEnroe, and Laver have made legendary.No, although clearly more indoor tournaments need to be added, more indoor wood, indoor grass, indoor clay. What I"m saying is that at the very least, a rule needs to be enacted to forbid play in conditions exceeding 10mph wind or 90 degree weather. Preferably tennis would only be played in 70 degree weather but the greed of tennis overlords will never allow any of this.
No, although clearly more indoor tournaments need to be added, more indoor wood, indoor grass, indoor clay. What I"m saying is that at the very least, a rule needs to be enacted to forbid play in conditions exceeding 10mph wind or 90 degree weather. Preferably tennis would only be played in 70 degree weather but the greed of tennis overlords will never allow any of this.
Tennis players nowadays have better nutrition, better physical conditioning, and better technology than ever before. I don't think there is a need for further pampering.
If you want to be a purist you might as well demand matches to be played with wooden rackets and gut.
Very little wind forecasted. A cloudy day with a high of 68 degrees. 20% chance of rain early in the day.Will it be cold and windy again?
Your level of ideological charity is quite deplorable, and your claims to tennis fandom even lowerYour level of trolling is quite sad
Interesting to see Clay slay the Djokovic fans. I thought she only had a hard on for Fed fans. Good to see Clay be an equal opportunity abuser. You go, girl!Why was Djokovic complaining about the weather, he said the new improved PC feels like indoors to him
No sport is fair. How is it fair for Federer to have access to the best training facilities and healthcare in the world while the #100 player in the world struggles financially?It's not about pampering, but about assuring tennis quality, fairness to all players (as some players will be scheduled to play in grueling heat, while others given the evening session constantly, or scheduled to play on a day with conditions much more preferable to them). I don't have a predilection for the past, as I am encouraging new rules to be implemented; that is progressivism, not traditionalism
I'm not opposed to having a single slam solely be about endurance tennis and grueling conditions, but if that is to be the case, then extra measures MUST be taken so all players are given fair chances. This tournament, is not NEARLY close to achieving this ideal. Rafa and Roger playing in 20 mph wind, but Thiem and Djoker having to play in 45 mph wind and then 4 straight days?
This is a farce, and completely eliminates any notion of fairness and claims of adherence to a tennis quality standard.
What is a "quality" match for you?It's not about pampering, but about assuring tennis quality, fairness to all players (as some players will be scheduled to play in grueling heat, while others given the evening session constantly, or scheduled to play on a day with conditions much more preferable to them). I don't have a predilection for the past, as I am encouraging new rules to be implemented; that is progressivism, not traditionalism
I'm not opposed to having a single slam solely be about endurance tennis and grueling conditions, but if that is to be the case, then extra measures MUST be taken so all players are given fair chances. This tournament, is not NEARLY close to achieving this ideal. Rafa and Roger playing in 20 mph wind, but Thiem and Djoker having to play in 45 mph wind and then 4 straight days? The organizers KNEW that the day was gonna be windy and rainy for the entire day, and yet they still decided to put Thiem and Djoker on the same court as Fedal, AFTER their match.
This is a farce, and completely eliminates any notion of fairness and claims of adherence to a tennis quality standard.
I'm not a purist. My point is having VARIETY. Why NOT have a single masters that's a throwback to how things used to be by mandating wooden rackets? Or a few tournaments like that to incentivize players training with wooden rackets. Doing such a thing would INCREASE the quality of play of "regular" sized racket play. But we all know the tennis overlords don't care about tennis quality, so none of this will ever happen.
Interesting to see Clay slay the Djokovic fans. I thought she only had a hard on for Fed fans. Good to see Clay be an equal opportunity abuser. You go, girl!
It's not about pampering, but about assuring tennis quality, fairness to all players (as some players will be scheduled to play in grueling heat, while others given the evening session constantly, or scheduled to play on a day with conditions much more preferable to them). I don't have a predilection for the past, as I am encouraging new rules to be implemented; that is progressivism, not traditionalism
I'm not opposed to having a single slam solely be about endurance tennis and grueling conditions, but if that is to be the case, then extra measures MUST be taken so all players are given fair chances. This tournament, is not NEARLY close to achieving this ideal. Rafa and Roger playing in 20 mph wind, but Thiem and Djoker having to play in 45 mph wind and then 4 straight days? The organizers KNEW that the day was gonna be windy and rainy for the entire day, and yet they still decided to put Thiem and Djoker on the same court as Fedal, AFTER their match.
This is a farce, and completely eliminates any notion of fairness and claims of adherence to a tennis quality standard.
I'm not a purist. My point is having VARIETY. Why NOT have a single masters that's a throwback to how things used to be by mandating wooden rackets? Or a few tournaments like that to incentivize players training with wooden rackets. Doing such a thing would INCREASE the quality of play of "regular" sized racket play. But we all know the tennis overlords don't care about tennis quality, so none of this will ever happen.
This is one of thee stupidest posts I've ever seen on this forum, and that's saying something. Are you going to apply this farcical logic to other sports? Hey, two teams play in the rain in the World Cup, and the two teams that the winner of the rain game next play got to play in sunshine; how is that fair? Football, basecall, etc. By your logic, they should cancel games unless the the teams are always playing in almost the exact same conditions.