2019 Indian Wells F - [4] Federer vs [7] Thiem

IW 2019 Champion


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mike danny

Bionic Poster
IW 16 was an ok tournament, better than this IW

Mia was ass, no question. Still Djokovic played more top 10 players

Several players gave him trouble, RG 16 was tougher than AO 18 for sure.

Still tougher than this tournament so far, Djokovic actually played top 10 players

Who was going to beat Djokovic at Shanghai 18 lol. It’s not like Fed’s playing out of his mind this tourney

Several players gave him trouble, still stronger than other slams. USO 17, RG 18, AO 2018, Wimby 2018 maybe
Berdych and Nishikori are absolute pigeons and formalities. Does it matter whether they were top 10?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Uh, everything he wins is legitimate, just like how all of Djokovic’s wins against old Federer are perfectly legitimate even if you have this age excuse.

Of course, one can call the strength of a tournament in question when a player hasn’t played a top 10 player, gets a literal bye to the final, among several other things, just like fans of other players have to listen to same old age crap ever since Federer started losing a bit more. And then of course, when Fed wins tournaments, it’s a huge impressive feat, the dude’s apparently like fifty playing in a wheelchair, when he’s obvs decimating his pathetic opponents

That’s how life works, Fed can retire anytime he wants. He hasn’t yet so he’s held up to the same standards of every other player, every tournament he wins can be questioned and the strength of the players he faced can be debated.

As I said, you can have the IW title, but this tournament was totally pathetic. I’m simply calling into question Fed’s ability to win tournaments with strong draws. He does so sometimes(Miami 2017), other times you have this tournament, AO 2018, among a litany of many others
This is hilarious considering Djokovic's draws in USO 18 and AO 19 were weaker than AO 18. Cilic in AO 18 played clearly better than anyone Djokovic faced in USO 18 or AO 19.
also you can keep the f**** joke of an IW 16 final where Raonic was injured and played garbage sh*t to yourself.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Several players gave him trouble, RG 16 was tougher than AO 18 for sure.
based on what exactly ?
Murray going MIA after 1 set ?
Thiem playing below par
Berdych playing below par (Heck, Berdych played better and was a bigger threat on HC in AO 18 than on clay in RG 16)
RBA ? clearly worse than Cilic for sure.
 
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MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Uh, everything he wins is legitimate, just like how all of Djokovic’s wins against old Federer are perfectly legitimate even if you have this age excuse.

Of course, one can call the strength of a tournament in question when a player hasn’t played a top 10 player, gets a literal bye to the final, among several other things, just like fans of other players have to listen to same old age crap ever since Federer started losing a bit more. And then of course, when Fed wins tournaments, it’s a huge impressive feat, the dude’s apparently like fifty playing in a wheelchair, when he’s obvs decimating his pathetic opponents

That’s how life works, Fed can retire anytime he wants. He hasn’t yet so he’s held up to the same standards of every other player, every tournament he wins can be questioned and the strength of the players he faced can be debated.

As I said, you can have the IW title, but this tournament was totally pathetic. I’m simply calling into question Fed’s ability to win tournaments with strong draws. He does so sometimes(Miami 2017), other times you have this tournament, AO 2018, among a litany of many others
But if he wins it, he will have beaten a top 10 player. Not playing a top 10 guy before the final of a Masters event isn't that rare. A semi-final walkover is definitely worth complaining about, but I don't think his draw itself has been that weak. At least not compared to the standards of recent Masters.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
This is hilarious considering Djokovic's draws in USO 18 and AO 19 were weaker than AO 18. Cilic in AO 18 played clearly better than anyone Djokovic faced in USO 18 or AO 19.
also you can keep the f**** joke of an IW 16 final where Raonic was injured and played garbage sh*t to yourself.
No need to get all worked up haha
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
But if he wins it, he will have beaten a top 10 player. Not playing a top 10 guy before the final of a Masters event isn't that rare. A semi-final walkover is definitely worth complaining about, but I don't think his draw itself has been that weak. At least not compared to the standards of recent Masters.
Well, its been a weaker draw for sure, judging by normal standards. That can only change if Thiem plays really well in the final.
But what @BrokenGears is bitter about is the possibility that Fed will surpass Novak's # of IW titles.
Of course no mention of Fed's Dubai draw - Kohli, Verdasco, Fucsovics, Coric, Tsitsipas -- none of whom were pushovers.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure why you would focus on Federer's draw and not Thiem's. Thiem played Jordan Thompson, Gilles Simon, Ivo Karlovic, Walkover, Milos Raonic. If he wins nobody will point out that 4/6 were 35+ or rankings whatever. He'll have won a masters, finally.

Federer has 27 of these, 28 is just a number. A masters isn't a slam, it's to be expected that some are weaker than others.
 

Enceladus

Legend
This is hilarious considering Djokovic's draws in USO 18 and AO 19 were weaker than AO 18. Cilic in AO 18 played clearly better than anyone Djokovic faced in USO 18 or AO 19.
also you can keep the f**** joke of an IW 16 final where Raonic was injured and played garbage sh*t to yourself.
Lol. Before you use the argument, that Cilic got Fed into 5 sets, while DelPo and Nadal lost 0:3 with Djoker, I will tell you that Fed's performance in the AO 18 final was fluctuating, allowing Cilic to get two sets, while Djoker's performances in the USO 18 and AO 2019 finals were stable.
What made Fed's draw on AO 18 harder than Djoker's draw on USO 18? Both faced one TOP 10 player (Cilic / del Potro), a former TOP 10 member (Berdych / Nishikori) and a tournament sensation (Chung / Millman). I will be very interested in your explanation.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Lol. Before you use the argument, that Cilic got Fed into 5 sets, while DelPo and Nadal lost 0:3 with Djoker, I will tell you that Fed's performance in the AO 18 final was fluctuating, allowing Cilic to get two sets, while Djoker's performances in the USO 18 and AO 2019 finals were stable.
What made Fed's draw on AO 18 harder than Djoker's draw on USO 18? Both faced one TOP 10 player (Cilic / del Potro), a former TOP 10 member (Berdych / Nishikori) and a tournament sensation (Chung / Millman). I will be very interested in your explanation.
djoko's performance in AO 19 was definitely better than fed's in AO 18 final, no question.
but nadal also played bad in the AO 19 final.

Djoko's performance in the 2nd set of USO 18 final was actually worse than fed's in the 2nd set in AO 18 final. (though not by much).
Cilic was better and more clutch, hence he was able to take it, while delpo could not. Delpo had his chances at 4 all, but not could not convert. did not play a good Tb either.

In the AO 18 final, fed's level only dipped *significantly* from 3-2 in the 4th set till the start of the 5th set - in particular serve. But Cilic was also hitting really well at that time and hence could get a double break to take set4.
 
Uh, everything he wins is legitimate, just like how all of Djokovic’s wins against old Federer are perfectly legitimate even if you have this age excuse.

Of course, one can call the strength of a tournament in question when a player hasn’t played a top 10 player, gets a literal bye to the final, among several other things, just like fans of other players have to listen to same old age crap ever since Federer started losing a bit more. And then of course, when Fed wins tournaments, it’s a huge impressive feat, the dude’s apparently like fifty playing in a wheelchair, when he’s obvs decimating his pathetic opponents

That’s how life works, Fed can retire anytime he wants. He hasn’t yet so he’s held up to the same standards of every other player, every tournament he wins can be questioned and the strength of the players he faced can be debated.

As I said, you can have the IW title, but this tournament was totally pathetic. I’m simply calling into question Fed’s ability to win tournaments with strong draws. He does so sometimes(Miami 2017), other times you have this tournament, AO 2018, among a litany of many others
Stay pressed, mug. Tell Novack not to have clown losses next time.

Also, of course Djoe's wins are factual, they just don't mean he's the better player career- or peak-wise, only that he's better now, which is clear and natural.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Thiem and Fed h2h is 2-2. If Thiem changes things up and adjusts his court positioning he has a chance in this but Federer remains the clear favourite.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
...The court probably suits Thiem but he has some weaknesses which really won’t help him against Rog:
-a long swing that makes him vulnerable to rushing
-a rather average BH return
-standing too far from the baseline leaving him exposed to drop shots and change of rhythm/pace
-prone to over hitting and UEs
This, many times over.
 

Enceladus

Legend
djoko's performance in AO 19 was definitely better than fed's in AO 18 final, no question.
but nadal also played bad in the AO 19 final.
(y)

Djoko's performance in the 2nd set of USO 18 final was actually worse than fed's in the 2nd set in AO 18 final. (though not by much).
Cilic was better and more clutch, hence he was able to take it, while delpo could not. Delpo had his chances at 4 all, but not could not convert. did not play a good Tb either.
This is debatable, whether Cilic was stronger than the DelPo in the 2nd set. At first glance, it seems to be, that Cilic was better, because Cilic won the 2nd set, while DelPo lost, but if DelPo converted one of the BPs in the 8th game of 2set at score 4:3, the set probably would win 6:3. In such a situation DelPo would be better, because he would win the 2nd set with break. When we add factors opponent's resistance and matchup, cannot be unambiguously determine, whether Cilic or JMDP was better in the 2nd set. I understand, that as Fed fan you will continue say, that Cilic was better.

And you didn't answer this question:
What made Fed's draw on AO 18 harder than Djoker's draw on USO 18? Both faced one TOP 10 player (Cilic / del Potro), a former TOP 10 member (Berdych / Nishikori) and a tournament sensation (Chung / Millman).
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
This is debatable, whether Cilic was stronger than the DelPo in the 2nd set. At first glance, it seems to be, that Cilic was better, because Cilic won the 2nd set, while DelPo lost, but if DelPo converted one of the BPs in the 8th game of 2set at score 4:3, the set probably would win 6:3. In such a situation DelPo would be better, because he would win the 2nd set with break. When we add factors opponent's resistance and matchup, cannot be unambiguously determine, whether Cilic or JMDP was better in the 2nd set. I understand, that as Fed fan you will continue say, that Cilic was better.
you can debate yourself. Cilic overcame a better federer in the 2nd set while delpo couldn't vs an inferior (though not by much) djoko in the 2nd set.

To me it was clear:
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Djoko's performance in the 2nd set of USO 18 final was actually worse than fed's in the 2nd set in AO 18 final. (though not by much).
Cilic was better and more clutch, hence he was able to take it vs fed, while delpo could not. Delpo had his chances , but not could not convert. did not play a good TB either. "

delpo couldn't convert because he wasn't as good/clutch as Cilic was.

I understand as a djoko fan, if you can't see/agree with the above. :)

what about opponent resistance/matchup ? Cilic is something like 1-9 vs fed IIRC, delpo is 4-14 or something like that vs djoko.
Like I already said, fed played a better 2nd set than djoko did (though not by a big margin)

And you didn't answer this question:
already answered. the final. Cilic was clearly better in the AO 18 final than delpo was in the USO 18 final.

couple more things :
Millman was hardly a sensation of USO 18. Just played solid tennis and got lucky with fed playing really,really below par. Anyways it doesn't matter much as Chung retired vs Fed in the 2nd set.
I'd rather compare Millman of USO 18 to say Gasquet of AO 18.
 
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Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
The question was asked right after it became clear that Federer qualifies for the final in case someone knew.

Now, **** off.

:cool:
Fair enough. I would imagine you'd get your answer faster with one Google search, then typing in a question in a forum. No harm intended. Just joking around. But I'll now do as you say!
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Thiem has played smart this week (I know), interesting if he can make the tactical adjustments necessary. I have some doubts though.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Stay pressed, mug. Tell Novack not to have clown losses next time.

Also, of course Djoe's wins are factual, they just don't mean he's the better player career- or peak-wise, only that he's better now, which is clear and natural.
Federer shouldn’t have clown losses either. And he has a lot of those, but of course, age excuse
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
This is hilarious considering Djokovic's draws in USO 18 and AO 19 were weaker than AO 18. Cilic in AO 18 played clearly better than anyone Djokovic faced in USO 18 or AO 19.
also you can keep the f**** joke of an IW 16 final where Raonic was injured and played garbage sh*t to yourself.
Thankfully I don’t have to take any of this BS seriously

Lmao. So you think this tournament where Fed has a bye to the final is stronger than IW 16? Please, keep your garbage **** to yourself
 

ScottleeSV

Professional
Will Roger withdraw from Miami if he wins tomorrow?
I don't think he will, win or lose. James Blake (who I believe is involved with the tournament somehow) has been making noise about Rafa's absence from Miami being ok because they still have Fed and Djok. That says a lot. Also, if Fed plays Miami, he's already getting a long rest afterwards because he isn't scheduled to play Monte Carlo.

And if you want another positive, he's averaged less than 2 sets per match so far this week.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Well, its been a weaker draw for sure, judging by normal standards. That can only change if Thiem plays really well in the final.
But what @BrokenGears is bitter about is the possibility that Fed will surpass Novak's # of IW titles.
Of course no mention of Fed's Dubai draw - Kohli, Verdasco, Fucsovics, Coric, Tsitsipas -- none of whom were pushovers.
Because I’m talking about IW 2019 and masters and not a 500?

Let me just randomly bring in USO 2011, that’ll def prove my point lol
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Berdych and Nishikori are absolute pigeons and formalities. Does it matter whether they were top 10?
Berdych played well in Canada, Nishikori in Canada won as many games as Hurk did against Fed here
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Federer shouldn’t have clown losses either. And he has a lot of those, but of course, age excuse
Except I'm not one to troll on account of weak draws. The recent Slam winning draws of all B3 reflect poorly on the tour, bur not on the winners themselves, of course. Spitting on a feeble draw after your fave(s) failed to perform and make it tough is basic weaksauce.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
I don’t pay much attention, but is your favourite player Djokovic by any chance? ‘cos when he wins 10 slams in a row against the current tour you’re gonna be the guy trying to keep a straight face when you claim that any of them were “strong” fields...
Of course Djokovic’s slam wins will be looked at with the the same intensity as anyone else’s.
Except I'm not one to troll on account of weak draws. The recent Slam winning draws of all B3 reflect poorly on the tour, bur not on the winners themselves, of course. Spitting on a feeble draw after your fave(s) failed to perform and make it tough is basic weaksauce.
I’ve already said Fed’s win here is perfectly legitimate
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
At any rate, I hope Thiem can make me eat my words and play out of his mind. I want to see a good match
 
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