2019 Indian Wells R2 - [9] Stefanos Tsitsipas vs Felix Auger-Aliassime

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metsman said:
And he's 6'4" with great movement and the makings of a huge serve. If he reaches anything close to his potential, he's going to absolutely roast everyone else in his generation given what we've seen from the rest of them.
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similar to how Nadal has, besides the other ATGs.

Nadal served bigger at the 2010 USO than FAA serves...

:rolleyes:

get past your cognitive dissonance that your possible antipathy towards Nadal conjures up!
 
Based on birthdays alone, Félix is the next fedr and Tsits is the new Petros. That creates a UUUGGGEEE dilemma for 60’s Weed, no?
 
DRII said:
no he doesn't.

he has much more margin on avg than Djokovic who focuses more on precision.

his game is generally high margin, high intensity, high disruption tennis; just like Nadal.

he is generally more aggressive than Nadal is now on avg, especially in this particular match. However, Nadal was similar in his 'rawer'/younger days and certainly was against Federer in some of their early matches!

FAA is the new Nadal, regardless of how impossible Nadal detractors think that may be.
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Sure, if that helps you sleep at night.
 
metsman said:
average serve speeds 124/101 for FAA. That's huge, especially encouraging on the 2nd serve (I know he DF'd a few times, but that kind of speed is massive, he was spinning in a lot of 80s crap before)
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This guy has the size and mechanics to be at avg. 127+/103+ at his peak. That’s simply massive and difficult to get into any return games for the opponent.

His hold game will look stronger and stronger and his return game is already very good. Lots and lots and lots of variables, but relative to everything, this guy’s ceiling looks to be the highest just like many thought when seeing him 3-4 years ago.

He’s a real talent who looks like he cares a goddamn lot about winning.
 
bjsnider said:
Question: is FAA already better than Shapo?
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I'm not sure but he's getting there pretty quickly. Shapo's first big run was incredible impressive: saving match point in R1, beating Delpo and Nadal (in a third set tie-break) and then even backing it up with another win before falling in the SF. He also has some good wins in Grand Slams.

Felix looks more consistent and maybe more mature already, but in terms of results, I still put Shapo in front of him.
 
Lmao how are people comparing him to Nadal? This guy is a Tsonga with better movement and a better backhand. I don't see any Nadal in him - Nadal at age 18 was a clay specialist that people thought would never make the transition to other surfaces. This dude is clearly a better HC player than he is a clay court player - he's hitting through the court much more than Nadal was at the same age.
 
DRII said:
similar to how Nadal has, besides the other ATGs.

Nadal served bigger at the 2010 USO than FAA serves...

:rolleyes:

get past your cognitive dissonance that your possible antipathy towards Nadal conjures up!
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Have you lost your mind doing this parallels and comparisons? FAA is nothing like Nadal at all and plays nothing like him. Just because he might be a rival agiant a guy with a one-handed BH...ridiculous. FAA might become an ATG and #1 (think it’s likely if he’s injury free), bu is will 99.9% still win less than the Spaniard.
 
Felix looked his age on clay because that surface requires such much more physical maturity to be successful on. On hards, he can actually hit through opponents, which is why you saw the comprehensive result today. If he can remain consistent and comes up against Djere, the only thing holding him back from dismissing him could be the mental block from losing to him two weeks in a row.
 
Amazing result, and the march progress continues.

In other news, Nadal fans are looking for the next great thing to latch onto, understandably, but gamewise these two are not remotely cognate, LOL. As others have said, he is simply his own man, but if one were forced to pick a comparison, Nadal wouldn't be it.
 
Keizer said:
Felix looked his age on clay because that surface requires such much more physical maturity to be successful on. On hards, he can actually hit through opponents, which is why you saw the comprehensive result today. If he can remain consistent and comes up against Djere, the only thing holding him back from dismissing him could be the mental block from losing to him two weeks in a row.
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Felix is a hard court player - he grew up on hard. Credit to his coaches who convinced him two years ago that he should play clay to develop his game and credit to Felix for listening to them and playing all those Futures and Challengers on it but he says it just feels so much more natural to get back to hard. So if he runs into Djere again, it'll be the hard court specialist playing the clay specialist this time on hard. I know who I'm backing. :p

The main similarity between FAA and Rafa is their magic dancing feet. I noticed back when Felix was 14 that he had amazing foot work with a style that was so much like Rafa which is such a big part of an elite game. Not much else can be compared to Fed or Djokovic as FAA is just developing his game and it's going to be so exciting to watch him get even better the next few years.
 
vernonbc said:
Felix is a hard court player - he grew up on hard. Credit to his coaches who convinced him two years ago that he should play clay to develop his game and credit to Felix for listening to them and playing all those Futures and Challengers on it but he says it just feels so much more natural to get back to hard. So if he runs into Djere again, it'll be the hard court specialist playing the clay specialist this time on hard. I know who I'm backing. :p

The main similarity between FAA and Rafa is their magic dancing feet. I noticed back when Felix was 14 that he had amazing foot work with a style that was so much like Rafa which is such a big part of an elite game. Not much else can be compared to Fed or Djokovic as FAA is just developing his game and it's going to be so exciting to watch him get even better the next few years.
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The other comparison to nadal for me is that he uses his backhand , which is generally solid, as a way to get opponents out of position to set up his forehand , rather than going for winners with it, like Djokovic.He rarely hits it near the lines , but puts a ton of power into it.
 
metsman said:
And he's 6'4" with great movement and the makings of a huge serve. If he reaches anything close to his potential, he's going to absolutely roast everyone else in his generation given what we've seen from the rest of them.
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So things are going according to the plan set years ago then.
 
DRII said:
FAA is definitely the next Nadal!

Tpas the next Federer!

if they reach their full potential...

and this match fit the mold of the early ATG meetings.
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I don't want Tsitsipas being compared to Federer but he's a bit of a mix between Djokovic/Fabio Fognini/Federer in terms of attitude, arrogance, and style wise

FAA to me is like a cross between Djokovic/Nadal
 
stringertom said:
The other teen and another Serb Kecmanovic will attempt to eject the lurker in 3R. He looked very solid vs Marterer today, 3&2 in just one hour.
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Djere is on a mission to beat the Canadian and nothing can stop him, not even the impressive other Serbian I've never seen play before!
 
Man I wish I had watched this match. I actually said before it to myself that Tsits was on upset alert. Congrats to Felix.
 
Keizer said:
Lmao how are people comparing him to Nadal? This guy is a Tsonga with better movement and a better backhand. I don't see any Nadal in him - Nadal at age 18 was a clay specialist that people thought would never make the transition to other surfaces. This dude is clearly a better HC player than he is a clay court player - he's hitting through the court much more than Nadal was at the same age.
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Which, looking back, is pretty funny. The 'clay specialist' Nadal won his first outdoor and indoor hardcourt masters titles at the age of 19. Most of these young guys with games tailor-made for HC success have come nowhere near that level of success.
 
Serve&Bash said:
Which, looking back, is pretty funny. The 'clay specialist' Nadal won his first outdoor and indoor hardcourt masters titles at the age of 19. Most of these young guys with games tailor-made for HC success have come nowhere near that level of success.
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Absolutely. My point was more along the lines of the fact that defense and footspeed were always standout components of Nadal's game, and while FAA is a good mover, young Nadal was probably the best defender of all time (yes, I think he was better than any version of Djokovic or Murray), and also happened to have an excellent FH.
 
metsman said:
He has easier power, heavier ball. Djokovic usually had to take big hacks at the ball to generate that kind of pop. In that ways it is more reminiscent of Fedal (although his mechanics are different).
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Does look more wristy than Djokovic. Like he can just explode on that FH at will. On the other hand, that awkward sliding BH pass was Djoker-like. His serve is already pretty good and he should surely improve from here till he gets to his early 20s. The potential is tantalizing for sure. More than his strokes, I am most impressed by his calm focus and devotion to the game rather than the annoying "Let's Go" shenanigans of The One or the screamed Come Ons after every point of Hewitt jr. And also how organised his game already looks tactically. Couldn't watch the full match but at least in the highlights, his point construction appeared very thoughtful and orderly. Didn't look like he had to produce his 120% game just to win a rally like ADM nor was he doing baseline ball bashing like AZ. So far at least his strokes don't look weird like Tiafoe either. In all those respects, he reminds me of Sampras - bland personality but brilliant tennis. If that's how he shapes up, count me in as a fan. And a quick note: just saying his attitude reminds me of Sampras, not gifting 14 virtual slams to him. It's still only potential until he notches up big title wins.
 
Tsitsipas Press Conference. Gave a lot of credit to FAA. "I never played well against him, I don't know why". One of those matchups.

 
Keizer said:
young Nadal was probably the best defender of all time (yes, I think he was better than any version of Djokovic or Murray), and also happened to have an excellent FH.
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Only on clay. In no way was he a better returner on HC than those two on faster surfaces.
 
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