2019 Madrid QF: Federer [4] vs Thiem [5]

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Deleted member 77403

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@Hitman I have always liked Rafa more, but I have to say, I respect Djokovic perhaps a bit more. He came back from mental doldrums and nobody's ever done that in men's tennis. That was truly spectacular. I don't expect Roger to win the FO, obviously, so my second favorites would be Stan or Fognini. I would root for them over Djokovic, but in an RF final against Nadal, I would root for Novak. And I would say that even if both were sitting at, say, 18 majors. I feel Novak is too far behind Roger's slam count to catch him, so I can still root for him on occasion, even in slams. Now if he gets to 19, then I would root against him in every slam. That's my honest answer.
Thank you for that. :)
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Thiem 7-5, 6-4. Fed needs to avoid grinding at all costs and throw in every conceivable trick from his magic bag: slices, drop shots, lobs, kick serves, junk balling and serving and volleying on second serves. Give the robot zero rhythm. Santoro-style tennis but with a big serve.
Knowing Federer, that's not how he plays. Especially if the opponent is trying to overpower him. So expect some forehand to forehand battles. Getting grumpy when he misses forehands and trying hard to win points from defensive positions.
 
I believe Thiem will win this one. Fed's serve and movement were suspect and there's more than a couple of times when he just decided to rush the net no matter what where I went "he got lucky on that one".
I thought his serve was decent and his movement ok, myself.
 

jstr

Rookie
Fed will have to get more serves and shots in, than he did with Monfils, if he wants to beat Thiem.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The quality of this match was outstanding. I'll be very surprised if Thiem loses even a set going forward.
Assume Novak is his semifinal opponent and Nadal is waiting in the final. Do you think Dom can defeat the big three in succession to win a title? I think Murray was the last the defeat all three in an event? Someone will know if that's correct. And Fed is ancient, so the accomplishment isn't the same as if someone did it in 2011-2012.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
I like to think that Fed could have a chance here if he comes out and plays at his best. But realistically I'm expecting a straight-sets defeat, with respectable set scores.

(Sent from my mobile phone.)
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Knowing Federer, that's not how he plays. Especially if the opponent is trying to overpower him. So expect some forehand to forehand battles. Getting grumpy when he misses forehands and trying hard to win points from defensive positions.
He still has that "anything you can do I can do better" mentality for absolutely no reason. He has every tool in the shed, but it's like he wants to prove to himself that he doesn't need them and can beat any opponent at their own game.
 

beard

Legend
He really doesn't need to see where he stands on clay. This ain't 2009 anymore. Clay is a been there, done that for him now.

If this were a video game, clay for Fed would be labeled as "campaign completed".
Yes, in Easy Mode campaign is completed.
In hard mode he failed badly, sorry to tell you that buddy ...
It's ok Excuserer, we know you are afraid of beat down... If Novak wins against Cilic, I will root for Federer, believe or not...
 

Feather

Legend
Knowing Federer, that's not how he plays. Especially if the opponent is trying to overpower him. So expect some forehand to forehand battles. Getting grumpy when he misses forehands and trying hard to win points from defensive positions.
Sad but true!
 

Rogfan

Professional
130+ replies and 3000 views for this match thread while Nadal and Stan getting 400 clicks and 9 replies, and Djoker Cilic 30? Why is there any doubt who’s the GOAT?
 
130+ replies and 3000 views for this match thread while Nadal and Stan getting 400 clicks and 9 replies, and Djoker Cilic 30? Why is there any doubt who’s the GOAT?
Nothing to do with being goat since he's the underdog in this match while the other two are favorites and Djokovic is already in the SF
 

Krish0608

Legend
Roger's return has been off the charts and that might make all the difference. However, Thiem in 3 is what I predict. Rog might eke out a TB.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
He still has that "anything you can do I can do better" mentality for absolutely no reason. He has every tool in the shed, but it's like he wants to prove to himself that he doesn't need them and can beat any opponent at their own game.
Fedr is no exception. Sampras used to do just that against Agassi.
 

Sambuccashake

Hall of Fame
He still has that "anything you can do I can do better" mentality for absolutely no reason. He has every tool in the shed, but it's like he wants to prove to himself that he doesn't need them and can beat any opponent at their own game.
This is frustrating me to no end.
Sure, there is a tactical element in not letting the opponent know that "I know about your tell" but the way Fed does it is so incredibly annoying.

Is it because:
* he likes the challenge
* is stubborn and refuse to be shown up in an area of the sport
* he wants to keep his fans in purgatory only to let them enjoy the eventual sweet release so much more when he prevails?

I think back in the day he was so much faster and hit harder and then I can get it somehow.
"-I'm almost invincible as it is, I might as well send some signals to the rest of the competition here."

But nowadays when he has re tailored his game around the shortening of points, denying the opponent rhythm, variation of spin and coming to the net. I'm sure he could avoid all this unnecessary grinding and lost matches.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
This is frustrating me to no end.
Sure, there is a tactical element in not letting the opponent know that "I know about your tell" but the way Fed does it is so incredibly annoying.

Is it because:
* he likes the challenge
* is stubborn and refuse to be shown up in an area of the sport
* he wants to keep his fans in purgatory only to let them enjoy the eventual sweet release so much more when he prevails?

I think back in the day he was so much faster and hit harder and then I can get it somehow.
"-I'm almost invincible as it is, I might as well send some signals to the rest of the competition here."

But nowadays when he has re tailored his game around the shortening of points, denying the opponent rhythm, variation of spin and coming to the net. I'm sure he could avoid all this unnecessary grinding and lost matches.
I understood when he was still arrogant and overconfident in his abilities back in like 08-09, because it was easy for him to believe he was still the same invincible guy from 05-06. But it boggles the mind that he still plays like that in 2019.

And it's only against the "lesser" players. He digs deep into the bag of tricks looking for solutions when playing Rafa or Novak in recent years (topspin backhands vs Rafa and slices vs Novak, SABRs, S&V, etc.)

But he refuses to show someone like Delpo the same respect, no matter how many FH to FH battles he loses.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
One tennis pundit is actually predicting a Federer victory:

Roger Federer vs Dominic Thiem

Match point down. Second serve. Federer is a whisper away from leaving Madrid. He wins the point by serve-and-volleying.

Federer’s total commitment to aggressive, all-court tennis even in tight moments was clear. Against Thiem, he will have to execute this game plan perfectly. Thiem played excellent hard-hitting tennis in Indian Wells, favoring power over placement, content to blast balls up the middle of the court forcing Federer back from his preferred position hugging the baseline. On the clay of Madrid, Thiem will have more time to line up his big shots and it will be easier for him to run down balls. If Federer can find a way to win against Thiem, he will enter into his semifinal match, even if it is against Novak Djokovic, brimming with confidence.

Thiem has been the second-best clay court player of the last two years and has reached the semifinals of the French Open or better every year since 2016. However, Thiem hasn’t been perfect so far in Madrid. He dropped the first set against Reilly Opelka and, despite a straight sets win against Monte Carlo champion Fabio Fognini, has yet to show the glistening game with which he won titles in Indian Wells and Barcelona.

Prediction: Federer in 3

He also picks Tsitsipas and Nadal to go through.

https://lastwordontennis.com/2019/0...tions-include-roger-federer-vs-dominic-thiem/
 

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
One tennis pundit is actually predicting a Federer victory:

Roger Federer vs Dominic Thiem

Match point down. Second serve. Federer is a whisper away from leaving Madrid. He wins the point by serve-and-volleying.

Federer’s total commitment to aggressive, all-court tennis even in tight moments was clear. Against Thiem, he will have to execute this game plan perfectly. Thiem played excellent hard-hitting tennis in Indian Wells, favoring power over placement, content to blast balls up the middle of the court forcing Federer back from his preferred position hugging the baseline. On the clay of Madrid, Thiem will have more time to line up his big shots and it will be easier for him to run down balls. If Federer can find a way to win against Thiem, he will enter into his semifinal match, even if it is against Novak Djokovic, brimming with confidence.

Thiem has been the second-best clay court player of the last two years and has reached the semifinals of the French Open or better every year since 2016. However, Thiem hasn’t been perfect so far in Madrid. He dropped the first set against Reilly Opelka and, despite a straight sets win against Monte Carlo champion Fabio Fognini, has yet to show the glistening game with which he won titles in Indian Wells and Barcelona.

Prediction: Federer in 3

He also picks Tsitsipas and Nadal to go through.

https://lastwordontennis.com/2019/0...tions-include-roger-federer-vs-dominic-thiem/
Interesting :unsure:
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
One tennis pundit is actually predicting a Federer victory:

Roger Federer vs Dominic Thiem

Match point down. Second serve. Federer is a whisper away from leaving Madrid. He wins the point by serve-and-volleying.

Federer’s total commitment to aggressive, all-court tennis even in tight moments was clear. Against Thiem, he will have to execute this game plan perfectly. Thiem played excellent hard-hitting tennis in Indian Wells, favoring power over placement, content to blast balls up the middle of the court forcing Federer back from his preferred position hugging the baseline. On the clay of Madrid, Thiem will have more time to line up his big shots and it will be easier for him to run down balls. If Federer can find a way to win against Thiem, he will enter into his semifinal match, even if it is against Novak Djokovic, brimming with confidence.

Thiem has been the second-best clay court player of the last two years and has reached the semifinals of the French Open or better every year since 2016. However, Thiem hasn’t been perfect so far in Madrid. He dropped the first set against Reilly Opelka and, despite a straight sets win against Monte Carlo champion Fabio Fognini, has yet to show the glistening game with which he won titles in Indian Wells and Barcelona.

Prediction: Federer in 3

He also picks Tsitsipas and Nadal to go through.

https://lastwordontennis.com/2019/0...tions-include-roger-federer-vs-dominic-thiem/
Federer is not beating the next FO champion.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
One tennis pundit is actually predicting a Federer victory:

Roger Federer vs Dominic Thiem

Match point down. Second serve. Federer is a whisper away from leaving Madrid. He wins the point by serve-and-volleying.

Federer’s total commitment to aggressive, all-court tennis even in tight moments was clear. Against Thiem, he will have to execute this game plan perfectly. Thiem played excellent hard-hitting tennis in Indian Wells, favoring power over placement, content to blast balls up the middle of the court forcing Federer back from his preferred position hugging the baseline. On the clay of Madrid, Thiem will have more time to line up his big shots and it will be easier for him to run down balls. If Federer can find a way to win against Thiem, he will enter into his semifinal match, even if it is against Novak Djokovic, brimming with confidence.

Thiem has been the second-best clay court player of the last two years and has reached the semifinals of the French Open or better every year since 2016. However, Thiem hasn’t been perfect so far in Madrid. He dropped the first set against Reilly Opelka and, despite a straight sets win against Monte Carlo champion Fabio Fognini, has yet to show the glistening game with which he won titles in Indian Wells and Barcelona.

Prediction: Federer in 3

He also picks Tsitsipas and Nadal to go through.

https://lastwordontennis.com/2019/0...tions-include-roger-federer-vs-dominic-thiem/
Still better writing than GoT season 8
 
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