2019 Men's National Indoors

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Wolf is going to eat Gojo alive. I don't get why the NCAA singles champion last year is playing as the #2. I mean I get it was an all Wake final, but come one.
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Also some beef news:
OSU posted on insta this morning: "today is a rematch of last year's NCAA finals. This time it's happening on a neutral court." or something similar. They really want this one :)
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Gojo stinks. already down a break in 1st set. this jj wolf fellow won't even crack the top 500 in the pros
I wouldn't be so sure of that. I never thought of him as a big server but he gets some nasty spin. I feel like this matchup should be in Gojo's favor just due to Gojo's height and how flat he hits it. It seems like the ball is right in his strike zone. He's spraying everything right now!
@Nostradamus have you been watching this whole time? How have the calls been? Normally Gojo has some really bad hooks.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I wouldn't be so sure of that. I never thought of him as a big server but he gets some nasty spin. I feel like this matchup should be in Gojo's favor just due to Gojo's height and how flat he hits it. It seems like the ball is right in his strike zone. He's spraying everything right now!
@Nostradamus have you been watching this whole time? How have the calls been? Normally Gojo has some really bad hooks.
Yea , wolf seem to be making more honest close calls for his opponent. while Gojo anything outside line is out.
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Gojo loses first set 6-0. Not impressed at all by these 3-second points. At the start of the match JJ was constructing points but now he just needs to make more than two balls in play and he's won the point.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Gojo loses first set 6-0. Not impressed at all by these 3-second points. At the start of the match JJ was constructing points but now he just needs to make more than two balls in play and he's won the point.
Gojo looks like he is getting overpowered by JJ. that is so weird at this level
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Gojo looks like he is getting overpowered by JJ. that is so weird at this level
I don't wanna feed you fire, but just imagine if he was playing Geller. He can't deal with JJ's pace, just think about what would happen with Gellers. I don't understand how someone who plays and does well at challengers can be playing like this. He had a normal backhand a minute ago, perfectly normal, just a neutral ball, it was the ball after his serve, and he just hit it into the ground. No pace, I think it hit the ground before it hit the net. I can't tell if he's just not trying or is hurt or something. There is no pattern, he looks like he's pushing one second and then he'll go for winners out of nowhere.
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Also, does anyone know why court two has been at 3-3 for the last 20 mins? Like with not even at deuce, seems like a long changeover? Medical timeout? You know it might be easier to tell if we could just SEE THE COURT.....
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
Geller lost to holt who got pummeled by wolf
I think the point is that Geller hits harder than Wolf. Not smarter, just harder, and Gojo is crumbling under wolfs pace which isn't really his bread and butter. It's hard to compare college players. Especially when players like Gojo can make the NCAA finals, and then some weeks just doesn't show up.
 

Liam Grennon

Semi-Pro
There must be something wrong with Tennis Ticker. Petros's court score hasn't changed for half an hour now. That's going to be a high-level match that we can't see OR even follow the score of. :mad:
 

tennis_5_5

New User
you are correct. his partner had to serve Aces to keep the team in the points. and had to tell him to stay back because he was hitting like 4.0 player at net
Kyle Seelig and Alex Kobelt are ranked 7 in the country. He does not suck. Have you ever played tennis before? You act like you don’t understand the sport with the way you talk about these guys.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
I was watching some high quality streams of empty courts for last 30minutes or so..... This is beyond bad...
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
This JJ Wolf dude - kind of hard to figure out why he wins. I mean he is obviously very, very good, but he is not tall, he serves hard but not lights out, he hits hard but others can do that too. He is fast, that's for sure. His return of serves is the best I've seen entire weekend. It will be interesting to see how he does on the pro level.
 
Great tournament for OSU. I like their team and coach - I really enjoyed watching them at Wake last year in the NCAAs. They call it fair and have likable players (unlike some ACC teams...).

Solid tournament for Wake. I have no doubt Petros would have won that third set, because that's what he does. So it came down to doubles and Melios - Wake can flip one or both of those in the future. I was really impressed with Banthia's third set comeback.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Out of all players there I would say Cressy dude from UCLA has the best chance as a pro. I mean literally everyone hits hard - so you can't win by that alone. Most of the guys can serve lights out too. But Cressy has this net game, he is sooo long that he covers entire net, and very, very hard to lob. So his game has an angle that others do not have.
 
This JJ Wolf dude - kind of hard to figure out why he wins. I mean he is obviously very, very good, but he is not tall, he serves hard but not lights out, he hits hard but others can do that too. He is fast, that's for sure. His return of serves is the best I've seen entire weekend. It will be interesting to see how he does on the pro level.
He's been playing really well for 6 months or so. Sometimes players just get into grooves, and he appears to be in one. Petros beat him 6-1, 6-3 in NCAAs last year and made it look easy.
 
This JJ Wolf dude - kind of hard to figure out why he wins. I mean he is obviously very, very good, but he is not tall, he serves hard but not lights out, he hits hard but others can do that too. He is fast, that's for sure. His return of serves is the best I've seen entire weekend. It will be interesting to see how he does on the pro level.
I personally thought his talent was apparent from the first time I saw him play in person at the 2017 NCAAs in Athens. His racket head speed was on another level than most other college players and his groubdstroke timing was exceptional. Back then his game was a little bit wild but now he has it under control.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Great tournament for OSU. I like their team and coach - I really enjoyed watching them at Wake last year in the NCAAs. They call it fair and have likable players (unlike some ACC teams...).

Solid tournament for Wake. I have no doubt Petros would have won that third set, because that's what he does. So it came down to doubles and Melios - Wake can flip one or both of those in the future. I was really impressed with Banthia's third set comeback.
I agree. I like Petros' game. He actually does not hit as hard as others, but he gets on offense by locating shots that make guys run side to side until they can't reach the ball. He changes pace by hitting occasional slice. Which is what you need. like 75% of players there just hit as hard as they can from both sides - but at that level the opponent can just return it equally fast.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
I personally thought his talent was apparent from the first time I saw him play in person at the 2017 NCAAs in Athens. His racket head speed was on another level than most other college players and his groubdstroke timing was exceptional. Back then his game was a little bit wild but now he has it under control.
yes, clearly he is an exceptional player. Still I'm not convinced. You will have hard time winning on teh next level by hitting hard. Maybe I'm blinded by his relative 'shortness'. I do agree though that he rarely misses, and because of his speed he is always in position to hit the ball.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
so even the trophy presentation is on non-streamed courts?? Great job - NOT. Such a shame. It was a very well run event, at a nice location.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Ohio State going to be the new #1 in the next team rankings and JJ Wolf will be the new #1 in the singles rankings
now ranking wise - was it better to win first round and lose the next two matches (USC, UCLA) or lose the first and win the next two (Stanford)?
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
I personally thought his talent was apparent from the first time I saw him play in person at the 2017 NCAAs in Athens. His racket head speed was on another level than most other college players and his groubdstroke timing was exceptional. Back then his game was a little bit wild but now he has it under control.
That's when I first noticed Wolf too. I had gone to Athens to watch Norrie, Torp, Thai, etc play in the team event but I enjoyed the Rybakov/Wolf match at 2 more than Norrie/Torp. Wolf was still HS age as he had started college early; he made more UEs with aggressive play then but the talent was apparent. Now with 2 years under his belt, he is top 300 ATP and probably best collegiate player (but would be fun to watch him play Petros and Cressy)
 

CHtennis

Rookie
This JJ Wolf dude - kind of hard to figure out why he wins. I mean he is obviously very, very good, but he is not tall, he serves hard but not lights out, he hits hard but others can do that too. He is fast, that's for sure. His return of serves is the best I've seen entire weekend. It will be interesting to see how he does on the pro level.
When I started watching JJ when he played in high school, I did not see him getting that good, I said he does not have any weapons that will get him to the top of the next level. I still dont see the weapon, but maybe he is weaponizing consistency and movement like Djokovic has (at a different level obviously).
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Are you thick? Geller just got smacked by wolf. Delusional about Stanford. Actually entertaining
7-5, 6-1 is very close score. Looks like if they play again, Axel will beat him since he learned from the 1st encounter.

No. 2 Ohio State 6, No. 9 Stanford 1

DOUBLES
1) JJ Wolf/Martin Joyce (OSU) d. Axel Geller/Alexandre Rotsaert (STAN) 6-4
2) Alex Kobelt/James Trotter (OSU) led Sameer Kumar/Timothy Sah (STAN) 5-4
3) John McNally/Hunter Tubert (OSU) d. Jack Barber/Michael Genender (STAN) 6-1
Order of Finish: 3,1,-

SINGLES
1) No. 3 JJ Wolf (OSU) d. No. 20 Axel Geller (STAN) 7-5, 6-1
2) No. 36 John McNally (OSU) d. No. 64 Alexandre Rotsaert (STAN) 6-4, 7-5
3) No. 101 William Genesen (STAN) d. No. 13 Kyle Seelig (OSU) 6-3, 7-6 (6)
4) Martin Joyce (OSU) d. Michael Genender (STAN) 6-2, 6-2
5) Alex Kobelt (OSU) d. No. 29 Sameer Kumar (STAN) 6-3, 6-2
6) Hunter Tubert (OSU) d. Timothy Sah (STAN) 6-1, 6-3
Order of Finish: 6,5,4,1,2,3
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I agree. I like Petros' game. He actually does not hit as hard as others, but he gets on offense by locating shots that make guys run side to side until they can't reach the ball. He changes pace by hitting occasional slice. Which is what you need. like 75% of players there just hit as hard as they can from both sides - but at that level the opponent can just return it equally fast.
Petros won't make it in the pros. he has no weapons. it is kind of simplifying things but it is harsh truth. Very good all around player just can't cut it in the pro. You need 2 weapons to make it in the pros, not just one.
 

xbr

Rookie
now ranking wise - was it better to win first round and lose the next two matches (USC, UCLA) or lose the first and win the next two (Stanford)?
Much better to lose first round and win the next two. That is a big flaw of the current ranking system.
 

rod99

Professional
i watched wolf play in the ncaa's last year and he was so inconsistent. great backhand but he literally could not put 3 forehands in a row in the court without making an error. i didn't get a chance to watch the stream of his matches in chicago last week, but something must have clicked for him.
 
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