I Am Finnish
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You should bet on him
2019 Monte Carlo QF - Novak Djokovic vs. Daniil Medvedev
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MugOpponent
Hall of Fame
Totally depends on Djokovic's form. If he's in top flight then basically only Nadal or Thiem. If it's the version we've seen since IW, then a lot of the field can beat him even in bo5.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Medvedev was the last guy anyone would have picked for the semis.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Well we've already had Nadal against Vamos two years ago so.
Meles
Bionic Poster
I agree, but Pella is playing really, really well this year on clay and he's not Spanish. Did you bet on this Djoko match? With the wind kicking up like crazy in the match before I'd have been all over this one.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
ok, so just give the trophy to Nadal now. this tournament is done
junior74
Bionic Poster
Pella, no?
underground
G.O.A.T.
Rusedski says Pepe Imaz is bad for Djokovic, that guy has been lurking around TW.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
What time does thiem playNot as fit as Meddy
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Congrats to Daniil but I think the manner in which Djokovic just faded in that 3rd set was a perfect example of how he really doesn't seem to have the fight in him these days when it comes to Masters tournaments. No way would we have seen that kind of capitulation in Melbourne at the start of the year and I suspect if that had been a best of 3, Medvedev would've won that one too. Very disappointing.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Djokovic can have family dinner with Pepe , Marko , Djordje and his crazy parents
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic just isn't as talented as his compatriot Lajovic
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Odds on Nadal to win the tournament before his QF match. Like 1,07?
ak24alive
Legend
I have no doubt Novak will raise his level when it will really matter.
Meanwhile let the kids have some fun.
What an incredible performance by the Mad Lad.
Was mentally there for almost the complete duration of the match.
These days especially for youngsters that's a big feat.
Consider me a fan.
Now go all the way and don't bend for RAFA.
Although I know that you will.
Meanwhile let the kids have some fun.
What an incredible performance by the Mad Lad.
Was mentally there for almost the complete duration of the match.
These days especially for youngsters that's a big feat.
Consider me a fan.
Now go all the way and don't bend for RAFA.
Although I know that you will.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
As evidenced by the numerous beatdowns Nadal suffered at the French Open against Djokovic, especially in finals.
You are stuck in the past. Novak CLOBBERED Nadal in straights in AO 2019 final, where Nadal looked like the better player.
In 2012 Nadal went 5 long sets and lost.
The current Nadal has ZERO self belief against Novak. It doesn't depends on how Novak plays against the rest of the field. He just has Rafa's number and resides in the Spaniard's head.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Next week.
At least Thiem went down to a goating legit clay court player.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
No, I would've bet on Medvedev though but a small amount.I agree, but Pella is playing really, really well this year on clay and he's not Spanish. Did you bet on this Djoko match? With the wind kicking up like crazy in the match before I'd have been all over this one.
Pretty mad at myself because I had a strong feeling that Medvedev would beat Tsitsipas and Pella would beat Cilic, there were some good odds.
Meles
Bionic Poster
You are serious drugs if you think Novak is even getting close to Nadal at any event on clay this year; he'll lose before the final in each one. If he makes said final, it won't be pretty.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Wake up. The AO is a fast hard court, 2012 was slow. Rafa hasn't beaten him off hard in years so it's not surprising.
EloQuent
Legend
I didn't know QF is "early".
mike danny
Bionic Poster
What about my saved post now?
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I actually agree with you. Djokovic is playing sub-par. He probably will NOT make the French Open final. There are a bunch of players who could beat him before Novak gets to Nadal.
But if Novak gets to Nadal, there will be only one winner. Novak can play CRAP against the rest of the field, but he has Rafa's number. Did you see how spooked Nadal was in the AO 2019 Final.
Rafa would have beaten anyone else that day. But against Novak, he could barely hit routine forehands. It's all mental subjugation. Sort of what happened to Fed against Nadal.
Mark my words, Novak won't lose to Nadal. (but he might lose to others).
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I am fully aware. But that's the past. Nadal also did NOT get clobbered by Novak in straights in a slam final in the past.
This current Nadal has no belief against Novak, and is spooked. It's all about mental pressure and self-belief.
abmk
Bionic Poster
yes, explains why Nadal beat him handily last year on clay and had an immense battle in Wim 18.
Stop with the BS, will ya ?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Medvedev can actually grind Djokovic down. I knew that before the match began. I didn't expect him to win, but I knew he would at least make it physical, which he did.
He is fearless and doesn't seem to get intimidated by the aura of the Big 3. Yes, he lost to Fedr, but that's because Fedr can expose his limitations.
He is fearless and doesn't seem to get intimidated by the aura of the Big 3. Yes, he lost to Fedr, but that's because Fedr can expose his limitations.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Novak may be fine for RG. I still suspect he'll put in a decent performance (SF, F, or W), but he will lose at a slam sooner rather than later. If he wins 3 of the 4 this year or maybe even 2, Novak's fans can still say he only cares about slams, but if he only ends up winning the AO, then that explanation doesn't really hold water anymore.
It will be interesting no doubt, but the fall from grace is going to be hard for those who have always believed that Djokovic is invincible or that he can't lose to Nadal just because he flips the switch. He's not even the favourite at RG for starters.
It will be interesting no doubt, but the fall from grace is going to be hard for those who have always believed that Djokovic is invincible or that he can't lose to Nadal just because he flips the switch. He's not even the favourite at RG for starters.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
In other words, if Novak really does lose to someone else, at least you'll have the benefit of not being proven wrong
EloQuent
Legend
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
In other words, if Novak really does lose to someone else, at least you'll have the benefit of not being proven wrong
And if Novak somehow makes the French Open final ( I actually give him a 60-70% chance), then he will win the trophy (unless Nadal magically loses before the final, which we know is NOT happening).
Then you, Sir, will be proven wrong.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'm pretty relaxed in that scenario. Because Nadal in a FO final is an automatic win against literally anyone.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree, on this form I’m not expecting much from djoko’s clay season. He will have much better chances at Wimbledon again.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If Medvedev tries to grind Nadal down, he will be in for a rude awakening.
MugOpponent
Hall of Fame
Clay is a different animal. Coming into today, Nadal was -220 to win this event meaning he's at least a -190 favorite in a h2h match against Djokovic.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree 100%. The claim here is NOT that Novak is the favorite for RG, but that he is the favorite against Nadal.
Novak will likely lose before the French Open final, if he doesn't pick up his game. But if he gets to the final, he will present an insurmountable challenge for Nadal.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Atleast he defended his points
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree bro. I’m not expecting too much from Novak this clay season anyway. I except we will see a better Djokovic by Wimbledon again.
An insurmountable challenge, that would more probably than not be surmounted....
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
were where your memes during the match?
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I would say the odds of the NCYGS 2.0 just dropped by 50% or more. The days of wine and roses when M1K along with slam results mattered for EMW have faded into the Imazing dusk of amor and paz.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
You might be right. And the bookies obviously know more than us.
But in my experience of watching tennis, when a player is thrashed like Nadal was at the AO 2019 Final, it's hard to recover. So while Nadal is the better player on clay, he will have a strong mental disadvantage against a potential match vs Novak at RG. Keep in mind Novak was competitive against Nadal in 2012/2013 F.O and beat him in 2015.
I honestly don't see Nadal turning the tables on Novak. Didn't the bookies give Nadal a better edge in the AO 2019 final?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
He almost lost to Kohli lol so YES, he has been vulnerable for a few rounds now dummy. He is vulnerable until he builds up a head of steam. Can't flip the switch.
T
Tiki-Taka
Guest
I seem to recall Djokovic being on longer streaks than two wins against Nadal and he wasn't rewarded with a title-winning win over him even then. Now tell me, where are you stuck when you claim Nadal would have no chance IN A ROLAND GARROS FINAL?
Pepe might be kaput in Djokovic's eyes...at least in slam fortnights.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal obviously has more than a chance. I'm just saying Novak would have an edge if he gets to Nadal in the RG final. Of course, Novak could lose early, in which case it is #12 for Rafa.
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