TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
You'd be surprised what reaching the 3rd round at Queens can net you.
You'd be surprised what reaching the 3rd round at Queens can net you.
h2h match for 2nd place, no?sorry for all teh questions, but where does rog sit if for some reason thiem defeats novak? does it help or hurt.
Who, Fed?How the hell did that guy qualify?
sorry for all teh questions, but where does rog sit if for some reason thiem defeats novak? does it help or hurt.
If Thiem beats Djokr, then the winner of Fedovic goes through with him.
@tennis_pro may have reached meme level, but his underlying point seems to have been a solid one.How the hell did that guy qualify?
And even if Thiem were to lose to Berrettini (which lol), he’d be 2-1 with the H2H over whoever wins Djok-Fed, so Thiem will finish the group first if he beats Djokovic today.Thiem goes 3-0 probably so it's a straight shoot out for Fed-Djoko.
@tennis_pro may have reached meme level, but his underlying point seems to have been a solid one.
what are the chances that novak blitzes thiem and then throws roger a bone because i assume at that point novak has already qualified
He's your typical solid top 20 beats mugs sucks against actual good players kind of guy. Something like Ferrer 0.7. The only difference is that the competition is already a lot weaker than in 2012 f.e. but it's gonna be an absolute joke 3 years from now when he's gonna be at his peak. I could see him even win a Slam, no joke. That's how much the tour could suck in the future.Yup. Berr is the lowest in pts who qualified since WTF moved to the O2 in 2009, and the competition was getting weaker since 2014, especially the last 3 yrs. Unlike @tennis_pro , I think Berr has pretty good upside. Did you see some of his all-court play against Fedr here? His BH is his weakness, but it's no weaker than Z's FH. But in the ATP, stronger FHs (vs. BHs) win more matches if one wing is weaker (see Tsonga vs. Paire). Big Berr will be top10 for a few years at least. Maybe not consecutively.
Unfortunately, not high. Djokr wants YE#1, so he'll need all the pts he can get. Even though Fedr might lose, at least we get another Fedovic match, and a live rubber at that. It'll become rarer going forward.
More likely that Fed just beats him straight up than Novak throwing him a bone.what are the chances that novak blitzes thiem and then throws roger a bone because i assume at that point novak has already qualified
what are the chances that novak blitzes thiem and then throws roger a bone
He's your typical solid top 20 beats mugs sucks against actual good players kind of guy. Something like Ferrer 0.7. The only difference is that the competition is already a lot weaker than in 2012 f.e. but it's gonna be an absolute joke 3 years from now when he's gonna be at his peak. I could see him even win a Slam, no joke. That's how much the tour could suck in the future.
Rafa may not end up being second in his group, he may not even go to the semis. His form against Zverev was way off. Worst level of play from Rafa since the Monte Carlo semi against the Fog.Given that Nadal may end up 2nd in his group, I think Djokovic would want to secure 1st place to try to put him down in the semis.
i'm sorry i fail to see how that is comforting in anyway. i've been done with this match up since wimbledon and it used to be the best of the big 4
What if Djokovic beats Thiem, Thiem beats Berrettini & Fedr beats Djokovic
Sorry to see you flunked TTW Psychology 101. Whenever this result occurs, it will always be devalued and chalked up to Sudden Serbian Humanitarian Syndrome.More likely that Fed just beats him straight up than Novak throwing him a bone.
Obviously Novak's the heavy favorite, but Fed is still capable of winning a Bo3 match if he brings his best tennis. Way more likely than Novak giving Fed anything.
He can't beat Djokovic for 4 years now.It doesn't matter if Federer hasn't been playing great here. He will up hisnlevel considerably against Djokovic. He does 90% of the time.
Rafa may not end up being second in his group, he may not even go to the semis. His form against Zverev was way off. Worst level of play from Rafa since the Monte Carlo semi against the Fog.
He can't beat Djokovic for 4 years now.
He can't beat Djokovic for 4 years now.
He can't beat Djokovic for 4 years now.
What if Djokovic beats Thiem, Thiem beats Berrettini & Fedr beats Djokovic
Rafa may not end up being second in his group, he may not even go to the semis. His form against Zverev was way off. Worst level of play from Rafa since the Monte Carlo semi against the Fog.
Zverev was GOATing, but Nadal would have his chances if he didn't make so many unforced errors and stupid decisions. There were a few close games which could go differently if Nadal didn't hit a stupid forehand error at some point.I heard that Zverev played a blinder so the loss may have been more down to that than his own level of play.
Zverev was GOATing, but Nadal would have his chances if he didn't make so many unforced errors and stupid decisions. There were a few close games which could go differently if Nadal didn't hit a stupid forehand error at some point.
This is Nadal of the last few years. When his opponent plays very well he starts to panic and totally forgets how to play. This is what happened in AO 2019 as well. I said it many times, Nadal's prime was over after AO 2014. Yes, he had this resurgence in 2017-2019 and he won 5 slams in the last 3 years, but he is not even close to his prime level. And we see what happens when he meets a great playing opponent. Put prime Nadal in 2019 and he would probably have a better season than 2013.It was a lot more than his errors. From the first point I knew it was going to be a long day for Nadal. When he is looping his forehand like that with minimal aggression, he is asking to be punished, especially against a tall guy with a strong two handed backhand. His forehand was horrible yesterday and Zverev, with a weaker forehand, outwinnered him 13 to 3 on that side, or something along those lines.
He usually comes out pretty sharp against Novak. Their first sets are almost always top notch. We’ll see if it’s enough to get the W this time.It doesn't matter if Federer hasn't been playing great here. He will up his level considerably against Djokovic. He does 90% of the time.
He usually comes out pretty sharp against Novak. Their first sets are almost always top notch. We’ll see if it’s enough to get the W this time.
I'll be sure to re-enroll in the spring!Sorry to see you flunked TTW Psychology 101. Whenever this result occurs, it will always be devalued and chalked up to Sudden Serbian Humanitarian Syndrome.
So when Zverev had literally never beaten Rafa before, the outcome was never in doubt because "those who actually watched the matches" knew how close they were.He can't beat Djokovic for 4 years now.
Dude, do you REALLY want me to explain the difference? I wouldn't say Zverev is a lock to beating Nadal if their match was played on outdoor clay, you know.So when Zverev had literally never beaten Rafa before, the outcome was never in doubt because "those who actually watched the matches" knew how close they were.
But you're completely discounting Roger's chances with like 20 career wins vs Novak and having match points in a slam final the last time they played?
But indoor hard courts are far from Fed's worst surface. In fact, it's arguably his best.Dude, do you REALLY want me to explain the difference? I wouldn't say Zverev is a lock to beating Nadal if their match was played on outdoor clay, you know.
Where?There's a match thread, by the way.
I was pretty sure that they've always played alternate days. Are you sure about 2013? Source?I remember they played one match from both groups on each day in 2013. Anyone know when it changed to being both matches from the same group?
No I just checked Wikipedia and you're absolutely right.I was pretty sure that they've always played alternate days. Are you sure about 2013? Source?
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