2019 Paris QF - Tsitsipas v Djokovic: Headspace for Rent?

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TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
He lost in the fourth round of USO and hardly didn't do anything during the year. He doesn't deserve this YE#1, and he will get it just due to Nadal missing too many tournaments and having a bad first half of the year.

How can anyone NOT deserve #1. It is simply based on points. Whoever gets #1 deserves it having won more points.
I think Nadal is smart and doesn't care as much about #1. He is focussed on slams next year. As he should be.

Meanwhile Nadal's fans are whining about Novak getting to #1 while Nadal is happy and content with 19 slams and counting.
 
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Wow, this is a very surprising result. Can someone give a summary of what happened? Thanks.


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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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Wow, this is a very surprising result. Can someone give a summary of what happened? Thanks.
Tsitsipas was bad. Lucky to avoid a bagel, was 0-5 0-40 down. 20 errors and only 5 winners excluding aces.

To make it worse for him Djokovic didn't have any losses of focus today like he tends to have in BO3 every now and then these days. Commanding display, he dictated a lot of points.

Big improvement from the previous two matches, he has a shot at winning this tournament now.
 

TennisFan3

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How annoying you are, omfg. Do you even watch the match? What does it all have to do with Djokovic's form when Tsitsipas makes back to back double faults, missing forehands one after another from easy positions?

Are you serious? Do you think TsiTisPas's misses had NOTHING to do with Novak?
Djokovic wasn't missing and was ultra aggressive. He applied insane pressure on Stefanos to the point where the Greek couldn't breathe and was choking.

Yes, it was not the Greek's BEST match. But let's not pretend that his drop in level had nothing to do with Novak. You react to your opponent. When your opponent is on fire, it is easy to lose track of your own game.
 
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Tsitsipas was bad. Lucky to avoid a bagel, was 0-5 0-40 down. 20 errors and only 5 winners excluding aces.

To make it worse for him Djokovic didn't have any losses of focus today like he tends to have in BO3 every now and then these days. Commanding display, he dictated a lot of points.

Big improvement from the previous two matches, he has a shot at winning this tournament now.
Thx, bro.

It seems Novak is ready to fight for that #1 until the very end. It will make the race more interesting, even though Nadal is much closer to the goal imo.

And that new generation...oh, boy...
 

StrongRule

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Thx, bro.

It seems Novak is ready to fight for that #1 until the very end. It will make the race more interesting, even though Nadal is much closer to the goal imo.

And that new generation...oh, boy...
Djokovic has that YE#1 now. Nadal is not close at all. Nadal would be close if he played a normal clay season this year. The 640 points which he simply gifted in MC would help him a lot now.
 

Yugram

Legend
Why isn't The Nadal a mug then for losses like Beijing and WTF 2013? Yeah he held serve well enough there not to look terrible but was almost as hopeless on return as Tsitsipas today.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe because Nadal has 26 f*cking wins over Djokovic? Maybe because Djokovic wasn’t even in great form today like in the fall of 2013?
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Why isn't The Nadal a mug then for losses like Beijing and WTF 2013? Yeah he held serve well enough there not to look terrible but was almost as hopeless on return as Tsitsipas today.
To be fair, Djokovic was absolutely GOATing in that Beijing 2013 final. In WTF Nadal should have done better though. It was a mentally weak performance.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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Thx, bro.

It seems Novak is ready to fight for that #1 until the very end. It will make the race more interesting, even though Nadal is much closer to the goal imo.

And that new generation...oh, boy...
I imagine it's a done deal if Nadal makes the final in Paris. Can't see him losing early in London even though he doesn't enjoy himself there.

Hard to tell with the new gen. They are a little hot and very cold, and only Medvedev showed something really good at a Major. Wouldn't want him to go the same way Zverev did this year as tennis needs new faces at the top, but it wouldn't be so bad for Novak's sake. :D
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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He lost in the fourth round of USO and hardly didn't do anything during the year. He doesn't deserve this YE#1, and he will get it just due to Nadal missing too many tournaments and having a bad first half of the year.
Should he win in Paris, he will have literally the same number of Slams and Masters as Nadal for 2019.

Maybe we should abolish the YE #1, they both suck.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
That doesn't change the fact that Tsitsipas was pathetic. These double faults and forehand errors...No excuses, sorry. At least Nadal is many years past his prime now, so him playing pathetic tennis isn't that surprising. Tsitsipas on the other hand is supposed to be at his peak.

Damn, you're such an amazing comic relief I can't but giggle intensely. Keep up the epic work, mate.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
A benevolent Joe Kovic got out of baking mode and into soundcheck mode...”Testing, one two; testing one two!”
 
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Djokovic has that YE#1 now. Nadal is not close at all. Nadal would be close if he played a normal clay season this year. The 640 points which he simply gifted in MC would help him a lot now.
Just took a look, if Nadal loses tonight and Novak wins, the difference will be 460 points. That's still a solid advantage and would put a pressure on Novak to win all of his RR matches, plus he's been playing a lot of tennis lately (Tokyo, Paris, then London), so he won't be as fresh as we might expect.
I would say Nadal is still the favorite in the race, though anything can happen - 2016 says "hi".
 

StrongRule

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Just took a look, if Nadal loses tonight and Novak wins, the difference will be 460 points. That's still a solid advantage and would put a pressure on Novak to win all of his RR matches, plus he's been playing a lot of tennis lately (Tokyo, Paris, then London), so he won't be as fresh as we might expect.
I would say Nadal is still the favorite in the race, though anything can happen - 2016 says "hi".
Djokovic is pretty much a lock to winning both Paris and WTF. This is his best surface and Nadal's worst.
 
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I imagine it's a done deal if Nadal makes the final in Paris. Can't see him losing early in London even though he doesn't enjoy himself there.

Hard to tell with the new gen. They are a little hot and very cold, and only Medvedev showed something really good at a Major. Wouldn't want him to go the same way Zverev did this year as tennis needs new faces at the top, but it wouldn't be so bad for Novak's sake. :D
There is a thread that summarizes Hewitt's career and the first thought that came to my mind was the fighting spirit and the new generation. What Medvedev did in the USO final, after being two sets down and completely exhausted due to several reasons, is nothing short of amazing - a true fighter.
Hewitt never had huge weapons, but it didn't matter as he was ready to fight until the end. These new gen players could learn a lot from his example.
 
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Djokovic is pretty much a lock to winning both Paris and WTF.
Well, it won't be his first time for sure, but nobody is "a lock" to win anything.

Honestly, did you believe he would lose that 2016 WTF final to Murray, after that destruction of Nishikori in the SF and Andy's brutal match against Raonic? Well, it happened.
As for now, he will have to outplay Nadal for 1000 points (roughly) and there are only two tournaments left (tournament and a half, actually), and that's a big challenge even for Novak.
 
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StrongRule

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Well, it won't be his first time for sure, but nobody is "a lock" ti win anything.

Honestly, did you believe he would lose that 2016 WTF final to Murray, after that destruction of Nishikori in the SF and Andy's brutal match against Raonic? Well, it happened.
As for now, he will have to outplay Nadal for 1000 points (roughly) and there are only two tournaments left (tournament and a half, actually), and that's a big challenge even for Novak.
Djokovic always brings his absolute best against Nadal though. He doesn't do that against Murray.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I think it has more been Tsits playing bad than Nole playing great
Whatever it is, it's utterly pathetic that the next gen lays down and gets eviscerated by a guy 32.5 years old. 2020 looks like it'll be a clean sweep at the majors again for Djokovic, Nadal or possibly Fed at Wimbledon. No breakthrough for awhile.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
When any of the Big 3 play at a level indicative of having not woken up in a skip 5 minutes before the match, the next (next) generation of players get steamrolled so flat you could make a new court surface out of them. I'm not certain as to the court speed index or bounce properties of 'mug', but I can only assume that once the ball bounces, the tennis gets worse.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas shouldn't be getting blown out like this. He's on a cold streak recently. He's got to set a goal next year to be more consistently at a high level.
 
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