2019 US Open - Women's Singles - General Discussion

Who gets the title?


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zvelf

Semi-Pro
I'm all for "wait and see" when it comes to new players and I also acknowledge that anyone can beat anyone on any given day, but she showed pretty consistent and high level since she came back from injury in Toronto. Martens, Vekic and especially Bencic could pose a challenge - absolutely, but being as confident as she is at the moment after winning so many matches, including against top players in big matches, I would give her the first chance over the others.
Besides, the tennis she's playing at the moment is very solid and combined with other factors, it's a winning formula.

Now, I will refrain from proclaiming just yet that she is the "next big thing" (even if she wins the USO), multiple GS winner, future #1, etc..... all the BS you often hear over and over when a new, young player has a good run. I would definitely like to see her succeed and see all that materialize in the long run, but I would definitely wait and see where she'll be at at the end of the next season and how she handles all this new found success. Will she be able to filter out all the noise that comes with this level of success and remain grounded and focused on her tennis career? Will she be able to sustain this level with some consistency and continue to progress? Will she be able to defend her points next year? Will she still be top 10 by end of next season with more title wins?
These are questions that only time will answer.....
Agreed that we have to approach cautiously. No WTA player has shown any long term consistency over the past few years. That said, I am cautiously hopeful that Andreescu could be the exception. Her focus sometimes wanders during matches, but she only just turned 19 2 months ago and this is her first full year as a pro without injury, so her focus should only improve from here.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I'm all for "wait and see" when it comes to new players and I also acknowledge that anyone can beat anyone on any given day, but she showed pretty consistent and high level since she came back from injury in Toronto. Martens, Vekic and especially Bencic could pose a challenge - absolutely, but being as confident as she is at the moment after winning so many matches, including against top players in big matches, I would give her the first chance over the others.
Besides, the tennis she's playing at the moment is very solid and combined with other factors, it's a winning formula.

Now, I will refrain from proclaiming just yet that she is the "next big thing" (even if she wins the USO), multiple GS winner, future #1, etc..... all the BS you often hear over and over when a new, young player has a good run. I would definitely like to see her succeed and see all that materialize in the long run, but I would definitely wait and see where she'll be at at the end of the next season and how she handles all this new found success. Will she be able to filter out all the noise that comes with this level of success and remain grounded and focused on her tennis career? Will she be able to sustain this level with some consistency and continue to progress? Will she be able to defend her points next year? Will she still be top 10 by end of next season with more title wins?
These are questions that only time will answer.....
Its all so revealing: you have many going overboard by the minute about Andreescu as if she's on the road to winning the Grand Slam, yet some of the same Andreescu-obsessed have trashed Osaka as if she has no game / or is washed up, when she made one of the biggest true majors splashes in recent history by winning her first, then the next major. She's been called "mediocre" and accused of having "no game" yet she is the holder of back-to-back-majors. Meanwhile, for reasons having little to do with tennis, Andreescu is constantly inflated as a player.

Again, revealing.
 
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FakeEmpire

Professional
Svitolina's serve has been remarkably consistent today. Konta ended up losing the set for committing costly mistakes at the absolute worse moments. Otherwise, it has been a balanced affair.
 

FakeEmpire

Professional
Its all so revealing: you have many going overboard by the minute about Andreescu as if she's on the road to winning the Grand Slam, yet some of the same Andreescu-obsessed have trashed Osaka as if she has no game / or is washed up, when she made of the biggest true majors splashes in recent history by winning her first, then the next major. She's been called "mediocre" and accused of having "no game" yet she is the holder of back-to-back-majors. Meanwhile, for reasons having little to do with tennis, Andreescu is constantly inflated as a player.

Again, revealing.
I usually don't like to meddle in this type of debates, but this is BS. People are propping Andreescu up, because she has been outstanding on hardcourts this year. Since March, excluding her retirement in Miami, she has won every single hardcourt tournament she has played. She has a 40-4 (or something like that) record this year, 14 consecutive wins. That's more than enough to make people believe she may go all the way and win the USO. I agree that some people may have gone overboard telling there's just no way she loses in hardcourts, but what she has achieved up until this point is, in fact, impressive.
Also, I remember Osaka being equally propped up during the AO this year, but many people were also dumbfounded by the sudden dismissal of her coach and by her struggles since then, when she started to seem resolved and steady. Yes, she was harshly criticised sometimes (for ugly, racist reasons at times, no doubt about that), but she was also hyped to the high heavens before. It's just that Andreescu looks even more impressive than pre-'18 Osaka. Not everything has to be about race.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
I usually don't like to meddle in these issues, but this is BS. People are propping Andreescu up, because she has been outstanding on hardcourts this year. Since March, excluding her retirement in Miami, she has won every single hardcourt tournament she has played. She has a 40-4 (or something like that) record this year, 14 consecutive wins. That's more than enough to make people believe she may go all the way and win the USO. I agree that some people may have gone overboard telling there's just no way she loses in hardcourts, but what she has achieved up until this point is, in fact, impressive.
Also, I remember Osaka being equally propped up during the AO this year, but many people were also dumbfounded by the sudden dismissal of her coach and by her struggles since then, when she started to seem resolved and steady. Yes, she was harshly criticised sometimes (for ugly, racist reasons at times, no doubt about that), but she was also hyped to the high heavens before. It's just that Andreescu looks even more impressive than pre-'18 Osaka. Not everything has to be about race.

Who ever mentioned anything about race lol? It’s tennis.
 

FakeEmpire

Professional
The Ronaldo's ketchup analogy works like a charm with Svitolina too. The first SF is the hardest; after that, they just keep on coming.

Konta's UFE were her undoing again.
 

skyline

Legend
Well, I did think Konta would go through but Svitolina was really solid today. Very consistent on her serve and off both wings too.

She will be a very tough opponent to get past for Serena should she beat Wang today.
 

WDC

Rookie
The Ronaldo's ketchup analogy works like a charm with Svitolina too. The first SF is the hardest; after that, they just keep on coming.

Konta's UFE were her undoing again.
Forced really with relentless pressure, Konta is a manufactured player Svitolina very talented with great hands. If she serves ok she will beat Williams.
 
Back to back Slam semifinals after not reaching that stage before in her career. Keep improving Eli. (y)

It's Serena's title to lose. But should she have a bad day, I think Eli is as likely as anyone else left in the draw to capitalise.

Hopefully that happens and she does...
 

FakeEmpire

Professional
Sometimes people are not upfront about it either but you can see it related to that.
I don't doubt that, hence the reason why I've said that argument is only unfounded sometimes. Generalisations are bad, because of that: sometimes, you'll accuse someone of something when they're on the right and sometimes you'll excuse someone that just shouldn't be excused. Somebody will always get hurt in the process.
 

ALEXT

Semi-Pro
Its all so revealing: you have many going overboard by the minute about Andreescu as if she's on the road to winning the Grand Slam, yet some of the same Andreescu-obsessed have trashed Osaka as if she has no game / or is washed up, when she made of the biggest true majors splashes in recent history by winning her first, then the next major. She's been called "mediocre" and accused of having "no game" yet she is the holder of back-to-back-majors. Meanwhile, for reasons having little to do with tennis, Andreescu is constantly inflated as a player.

Again, revealing.
I think Osaka and Barty are solid players that, in my personal opinion, will be at the top of the game in the coming years short of extraordinary circumstances like severe injuries, life changing events etc..... It's a personal matter, but I like their personalities as well, at least from what they show in the public space. However, as any other player, they have ups and downs; they are human and no exceptions. While they are leading the pack at the moment they are not (yet) what I would call dominant players.

I think at the moment Andreescu is in good form and I give her the first chance to go through the next 2 matches. I may be wrong but I'm going by my gut feelings like everyone else.

As for what future will bring for her I have no idea, so I personally don't buy into the hype. Like I said before, I would wait at least another full season to see where she's going before even trying to guess. Having a few good months and few good runs going from nobody to somebody in a short period of time is not a good indication of where her career will go from there. As everyone knows, staying at the top season after season is much more difficult than reaching the top. You need to win titles and run deep into tournaments frequently throughout the entire season which is not a small feat. However, regardless of what happens down the road, what she achieved and where she stands at 19 yo is admirable nevertheless.
 
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romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Back to back Slam semifinals after not reaching that stage before in her career. Keep improving Eli. (y)

It's Serena's title to lose. But should she have a bad day, I think Eli is as likely as anyone else left in the draw to capitalise.

Hopefully that happens and she does...

I disagree there. I think it’s Bianca’s title to lose.
 

WDC

Rookie
Back to back Slam semifinals after not reaching that stage before in her career. Keep improving Eli. (y)

It's Serena's title to lose. But should she have a bad day, I think Eli is as likely as anyone else left in the draw to capitalise.

Hopefully that happens and she does...
Williams won't last the pace she has a punchers chance based on first serve and second return but today was a good rehersal for Williams, Elina played low risk percentage today against a slowish mover, Williams leg's are shot so she has even more margin in that match up. My only question about Elina is the serve, many times I have watched her and thought she would do better returning all the time. Even today it wasn't convincing Konta got too many chances.
 
Serena would really need to play first-strike tennis against Svitolina. But, "smart" first-strike. Serve big and go for a bigger second serve than normal (like Medvedev against Djoker in Cincy); really look to move forward at any reasonable opportunity (but she doesn't move forward that well). Has to get herself the right balls so that going for the put away shot is the right play. Easier said than done. She should return aggressively but not go for broke on every first serve as she likes to do. And, as I said yesterday, if she's getting pulled wide on the run, she's got to slow things down; throw up a high ball, hit a defensive slice rather than trying to hit big every time because (1) she tends to pull up her shoulder and make an error when trying to go big on the forehand when stretched, and (2) even if she gets it back hard, unless she hits a pure winner or draws an error, the ball will only get back to her side of the court faster and she doesn't have the footspeed to get to the NEXT ball if her returns her hard ball to the other side of the court.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Not me, certainly. But TV uses that argument a lot, sometimes without any justification.
Nope. The evidence is this board, and the way Osaka has been blasted--a back-to-back new majors winner compared to the slobbering idolatry over Andreescu when the later has yet to prove anything at a major. This is about actual ability and achievements, yet Osaka--the breakout majors winner in all of tennis for the past several years--has been repeatedly criticized.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Nope. The evidence is this board, and the way Osaka has been blasted--a back-to-back new majors winner compared to the slobbering idolatry over Andreescu when the later has yet to prove anything at a major. This is about actual ability and achievements, yet Osaka--the breakout majors winner in all of tennis for the past several years--has been repeatedly criticized.

As she should be criticized. She has every weapon in the book and is losing to players who she’s way better than.
 
Serena would really need to play first-strike tennis against Svitolina. But, "smart" first-strike. Serve big and go for a bigger second serve than normal (like Medvedev against Djoker in Cincy); really look to move forward at any reasonable opportunity (but she doesn't move forward that well). Has to get herself the right balls so that going for the put away shot is the right play. Easier said than done. She should return aggressively but not go for broke on every first serve as she likes to do. And, as I said yesterday, if she's getting pulled wide on the run, she's got to slow things down; throw up a high ball, hit a defensive slice rather than trying to hit big every time because (1) she tends to pull up her shoulder and make an error when trying to go big on the forehand when stretched, and (2) even if she gets it back hard, unless she hits a pure winner or draws an error, the ball will only get back to her side of the court faster and she doesn't have the footspeed to get to the NEXT ball if her returns her hard ball to the other side of the court.
Don't go ahead of ourselves, Wang is actually good and consistent.
 
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