2019 Wilson Blade

ChaelAZ

Legend
Still happy with the 18x20 V7 and finding better access to power and spin working with the swing weight. Also getting much better with my volley work. Serve and groundies are money.

Still need to work through some
Various string tensions for testing.

Also have about 8g of lead in the butt cap of one and liking the balance and feel. The other is stock and still really good though, so not sure how great an impact it is having the weight.
 

TennisManiac

Professional
Blade has basically been the same since its creation. High SW, low static weight. If you pick it up and swing and it comes through too fast, that’s a dud. Got to have that higher SW to really play like a Blade.
I'm thinking perhaps I got a dud then. Because this thing strung in stock form felt like a feather when I swung it. It was so light I practically sprained my wrist the first time I took it out and hit some balls with it. Even after I added 4 grams to the tip and a 5 gram overgrip it still felt like a feather to me. And a couple of other guys I hit with said the same thing. The one guy hits with a 2nd gen Graphene Radical Pro and the other guy hits with a DR98.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm thinking perhaps I got a dud then. Because this thing strung in stock form felt like a feather when I swung it. It was so light I practically sprained my wrist the first time I took it out and hit some balls with it. Even after I added 4 grams to the tip and a 5 gram overgrip it still felt like a feather to me. And a couple of other guys I hit with said the same thing. The one guy hits with a 2nd gen Graphene Radical Pro and the other guy hits with a DR98.
Yeah man. Let me put it like this -a proper weighted blade v7 is the same specs as tiafoes leaded up yonex. Ive seen that guy practice in person and he massacres the ball.
 

FedGR

Semi-Pro
Did you measure it before hitting with it? The Blade is not supposed to be fast swinging or anything like that. Plus sooooo many college players hit with it in stock form. I hit with many 4.5s and love the control, stability and plow of the 16x19.

You either got a dud or your swing style does not work with the V7 16x19.
 

TennisManiac

Professional
Did you measure it before hitting with it? The Blade is not supposed to be fast swinging or anything like that. Plus sooooo many college players hit with it in stock form. I hit with many 4.5s and love the control, stability and plow of the 16x19.

You either got a dud or your swing style does not work with the V7 16x19.
Yep, strung with 1.25 Alu Power it weighed 321 grams and was 4 pts. HL. And it felt like a feather.
 

gutfeeling

Semi-Pro

Quick side by side of the 18x20 and 16x19. Very close in terms of spacing, the 16x19 is more open along the perimeter though.


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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Are you used to hitting with a 350gr strung racket or something? Coz 321 gr isn't heavy but it isn't a feather either.
You’re just gonna have to trust me and @TennisManiac on this. The ones we tried just suck. I have plenty of experience with different versions of 18/20 blades (cv, 2015, black gold blx and NONE play like the stinker I had which had most of the same characteristics that TM described.

This is how horrible mine was. I normally see some redeeming qualities in most every racquet and as a result have trouble parting with it. That’s how I ended up with nearly a hundred racquets in my collection. This one was so bad that I let it go after a week. There was not one redeeming quality. And I’m a fan of Wilson sticks currently playing modded Ultra Tours, modded Clash 100, and stock Clash 98.
 
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TennisManiac

Professional
You’re just gonna have to trust me and @TennisManiac on this. The ones we tried just suck. I have plenty of experience with different versions of 18/20 blades (cv, 2015, black gold blx and NONE play like the stinker I had which had most of the same characteristics that TM described.

This is how horrible mine was. I normally see some redeeming qualities in most every racquet and as a result have trouble parting with it. That’s how I ended up with nearly a hundred racquets in my collection. This one was so bad that I let it go after a week. There was not one redeeming quality. And I’m a fan of Wilson sticks currently playing modded Ultra Tours, modded Clash 100, and stock Clash 98.
I think you're right man. I must have gotten a real turd of a frame. I guess we've been the only ones on here so far that were dealt bad hands. :cautious:

I was out again this morning hitting with a guy who uses the Blade 18x20 Countervail version. I was using my ProStaff 97 of course. After our match I asked him to hit with my Blade and tell me what he thought of it. After he hit with it for about 5 minutes he said that he thought his Countervail version was a lot better. He said the V7 I gave him to try felt weak and offered less pop than his. He didn't like the feel either. He said it was too flexible for him.

So now I'm faced with the decision on whether or not to order another Blade and hope I get a good one or just say the hell with it and try to find some "new old stock" PS97s. :confused:
 

tennis347

Professional
I can understand why the 16x19 would be underwhelming for some people: flexible, light, and not enough weight in the head is a horrible combo. I had an underspec 18x20 that was meh, so I get it. To settle this debate I picked up two matched 16x19s. They are the same static weight as my 18x20s but 1.5 points more headlight and 10 swingweight points lower. Initial impression is string pattern is very open around the perimeter of the head and I don’t think it will hold up as well as the 18x20 unless I increase the tension. Also just hitting the stringbed with my palm, the frame does not feel or sound as substantial as the 18x20. Adding some weight to the head would probably help, but then I would simply be approaching the swingweight and balance of the 18x20 at a higher overall static weight. Same string, same tension, apples to apples. I will circle back after I log some court time.


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I have to say that the 16 x 19 version has a healthy swing weight in stock form. I added 1.5 grams at 10 and 2 as well as 2 grams on the butt of the handle. I also changed the stock grip to a Wilson Contour grip. The racquet weighs 329 grams and has plenty of mass for my baseline game against heavy hitters on the 4.0-4.5 level. I use a Gosen Micro 16 on the mains at 55 lbs and Forten Sweet 17 at 54 lbs on the crosses. I am getting some real nice pop and spin without using a poly.


The 18 x 20 has a bit more swing weight and will have a lower launch angle which is better for someone who hits very flat.
The good thing about the Blade is the low static weight and healthy swing weight which does require much if any customization!
There’s a lot of competition with players racquets these days but the Blade is definitely one of the best today also factoring how are arm friendly they are. It can be a never ending search with racquets with all the new ones coming out. IMO Angell is also making some great frames with K7 Red which I have as well as the lime version.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
It has taken a while for me to groove with the Blade 16x19. Added 5g in the handle. As I have three, maybe I will find one plays best out of them. They are all matched in weight only.

I do think the Clash 98 is good for that type of frame (thicker beam, more power) and is super easy on the arm.

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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I think you're right man. I must have gotten a real turd of a frame. I guess we've been the only ones on here so far that were dealt bad hands. :cautious:

I was out again this morning hitting with a guy who uses the Blade 18x20 Countervail version. I was using my ProStaff 97 of course. After our match I asked him to hit with my Blade and tell me what he thought of it. After he hit with it for about 5 minutes he said that he thought his Countervail version was a lot better. He said the V7 I gave him to try felt weak and offered less pop than his. He didn't like the feel either. He said it was too flexible for him.

So now I'm faced with the decision on whether or not to order another Blade and hope I get a good one or just say the hell with it and try to find some "new old stock" PS97s. :confused:
Have you tried the 18/20 version yet?
 

TennisManiac

Professional
Have you tried the 18/20 version yet?
Yes, I demoed the 18x20 along side the 16x19 a few weeks ago. They both had a full bed of multi "Wilson Sensation". When I demoed them I felt like I was getting more spin with the 16x19. And it was a little harder to come up with a nice kick serve with the 18x20. That's why I choose the 16x19. But I suppose I could try the 18x20 again and give it another shot.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Yes, I demoed the 18x20 along side the 16x19 a few weeks ago. They both had a full bed of multi "Wilson Sensation". When I demoed them I felt like I was getting more spin with the 16x19. And it was a little harder to come up with a nice kick serve with the 18x20. That's why I choose the 16x19. But I suppose I could try the 18x20 again and give it another shot.
When you demoed the 18x20 and 16x19, did you feel the 16x19 was anaemic and weak... or did you feel it was good? If you felt it was good, then you have your answer of whether to order another one... and maybe ask TW to match it as closely as possible to the stated specs. Just a thought.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I demoed the 18x20 along side the 16x19 a few weeks ago. They both had a full bed of multi "Wilson Sensation". When I demoed them I felt like I was getting more spin with the 16x19. And it was a little harder to come up with a nice kick serve with the 18x20. That's why I choose the 16x19. But I suppose I could try the 18x20 again and give it another shot.
Every blade 18/20 have been super solid sticks. Would recommend giving it another go.
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
Still happy with the 18x20 V7 and finding better access to power and spin working with the swing weight. Also getting much better with my volley work. Serve and groundies are money.

Still need to work through some
Various string tensions for testing.

Also have about 8g of lead in the butt cap of one and liking the balance and feel. The other is stock and still really good though, so not sure how great an impact it is having the weight.
I’m using Hyper G 17g in my v7 18x20. I never really liked this string before. But in this frame it’s comfortable but still has great spin and control. Decent power. Looks cool too.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I think you're right man. I must have gotten a real turd of a frame. I guess we've been the only ones on here so far that were dealt bad hands. :cautious:

I was out again this morning hitting with a guy who uses the Blade 18x20 Countervail version. I was using my ProStaff 97 of course. After our match I asked him to hit with my Blade and tell me what he thought of it. After he hit with it for about 5 minutes he said that he thought his Countervail version was a lot better. He said the V7 I gave him to try felt weak and offered less pop than his. He didn't like the feel either. He said it was too flexible for him.

So now I'm faced with the decision on whether or not to order another Blade and hope I get a good one or just say the hell with it and try to find some "new old stock" PS97s. :confused:
321 is 10 grams lighter than mine. I think yours is way off spec. First one i got was on spec and it was from wilson on release day. I got lucky there. Second i paid tw for the service to have it on spec. Unfortunately with wilson that is very important to do.

Spin is no issue with the 18x20. Its a light frame so the spin comes from your tip speed. Its not like the 16x19 is wide open. Its tight. But you can hit with a ton of spin using a tight pattern. Its more about the trajectory.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I think you're right man. I must have gotten a real turd of a frame. I guess we've been the only ones on here so far that were dealt bad hands. :cautious:

I was out again this morning hitting with a guy who uses the Blade 18x20 Countervail version. I was using my ProStaff 97 of course. After our match I asked him to hit with my Blade and tell me what he thought of it. After he hit with it for about 5 minutes he said that he thought his Countervail version was a lot better. He said the V7 I gave him to try felt weak and offered less pop than his. He didn't like the feel either. He said it was too flexible for him.

So now I'm faced with the decision on whether or not to order another Blade and hope I get a good one or just say the hell with it and try to find some "new old stock" PS97s. :confused:
Sorry if this has been mentioned I just joined in and saw your saga and quickly read perhaps skim read your posts but If you bought the blade from any reputable shop and it’s way under specs they would usually take it back and send it to Wilson for replacement if not exchange it on the spot and deal with Wilson on their end...
 

snoflewis

Hall of Fame
Sorry if this has been mentioned I just joined I your saga and quickly read perhaps skim read your posts but If you bought the blade from any reputable shop and it’s way under specs they would usually take it back and send it to Wilson for replacement if not exchange it on the spot and deal with Wilson on their end...
why would wilson warranty it if it's within their tolerance?
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
why would wilson warranty it if it's within their tolerance?
I assumed it was not I though I saw Powerplayer mention it was 10g difference.
Mine were 330 strung with overgrip

But even if it’s not customer is always right and if he insists I am sure they will exchange.

Additionally It would be stupid of them not to help out their customer because they might win $230 this time but miss out on 2-3x as much because happy customer will come back to buy another racquet maybe a bag maybe some strings, positive pr story in social media (here) etc...
 
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AA7

Semi-Pro
Still happy with the 18x20 V7 and finding better access to power and spin working with the swing weight. Also getting much better with my volley work. Serve and groundies are money.

Still need to work through some
Various string tensions for testing.

Also have about 8g of lead in the butt cap of one and liking the balance and feel. The other is stock and still really good though, so not sure how great an impact it is having the weight.
Yeah same here. To me its getting better and better.. for some reason volleys worked from day one.. and volleys are my weak shot.. they are better now but i hear you with manuevaribility. On the other side though, due to solid twistweight once you get it out in front its rock solid. Spin is definitely no issue.. good combo of plow and spin.. hits a really good heavy/dense ball.. lower launch angle was an issue at first but i adjusted to that... swingweight is possibly less of an issue for me bc both of mine are 331sw. They both have like 4gr under the buttcap (just to get the balance back to stock 4pts hl).
I am really happy with this stick. I am trying a whole bunch of strings.. 17g hyper g is actually very good. All around.. good control, power and spin... comfort borderline ok.
Trying grapplesnake alpha now.. lower launch angle than hyper G but better control.. little bit more power and better comfort.. spin is probably better with hyper G. I have like 7, 8 strings i will try but i could use either of these 2 and be fine with it.. just experimenting...
 

snoflewis

Hall of Fame
I assumed it was not I though I saw Powerplayer mention it was 10g difference.
Mine were 330 strung with overgrip
i believe tolerance is +/- 7g for most mfg's, so rackets can technically vary by 14g and still be acceptable.

the bigger problem is the SW because it can vary much more than weight. even in my batch of rackets posted above, the range of weights was 6.3g, but the range of SW was 14pts.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
Put in Hyper G / RS Lyon at 46/44 in my 18x20 and goddamn this color matches this racquet awesome. Pure coincidence, I put FirewireBoost in my PST today as well and it also looks awesome.

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dgoran

Hall of Fame
i believe tolerance is +/- 7g for most mfg's, so rackets can technically vary by 14g and still be acceptable.

the bigger problem is the SW because it can vary much more than weight. even in my batch of rackets posted above, the range of weights was 6.3g, but the range of SW was 14pts.
I have returned racquets for less than that or other reason and ime it didn’t matter reputable dealer will replace it with only one question asked: Would you like a replacement of the same racquet or try another type/brand?
 

gutfeeling

Semi-Pro
Played two competitive sets against a computer rated 4.0 that has a 4.5 game using the 18x20. As expected this thing is a dozer that rewards good footwork and leg drive/trunk activation on groundies and serves. I started fatiguing towards the end and I wasn’t hitting as clean or heavy though. You need to be fit to swing 340 swingweight for 1.5 hours, no surprises there.

After the match I hit a few balls with the 16x19. Felt surprisingly good and very light and whippy in comparison to the 18x20. The ball trajectory is definitely loopier. If I had to make an analogy, the 18x20 is like driving stick, more work but super rewarding. I can understand why the 16x19 would appeal to a certain segment, just like how the 18x20 is a player’s frame that purists that can wield it ogle over. However on off center hits or when I was absorbing heavy pace, the 16x19 fluttered and did not have the backbone of the 18x20. I am intrigued what a little weight in the head of the 16x19 would do. Stock swingweight on this thing is 328 using 4G 1.25.


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parasailing

Hall of Fame
I’ve got a 2015 Blade 18/20 with an unstrung SW of 291 coming soon. Since this will be way under spec, I’ll get to see if stability suffers in stock form as a result. Ultimately I intend to add lead to bring the SW up to ~325-328.
I got one in that sw and it won't affect stability. Blade is rock solid. With head hawk touch 17g or hyper g 16l, it gonna be 328 SW anyways so that isn't that under specd.

I had a sw of 280 blade that I sold and that felt a bit unstable since
it was 320 SW with the same string set up.
 

parasailing

Hall of Fame
Played two competitive sets against a computer rated 4.0 that has a 4.5 game using the 18x20. As expected this thing is a dozer that rewards good footwork and leg drive/trunk activation on groundies and serves. I started fatiguing towards the end and I wasn’t hitting as clean or heavy though. You need to be fit to swing 340 swingweight for 1.5 hours, no surprises there.

After the match I hit a few balls with the 16x19. Felt surprisingly good and very light and whippy in comparison to the 18x20. The ball trajectory is definitely loopier. If I had to make an analogy, the 18x20 is like driving stick, more work but super rewarding. I can understand why the 16x19 would appeal to a certain segment, just like how the 18x20 is a player’s frame that purists that can wield it ogle over. However on off center hits or when I was absorbing heavy pace, the 16x19 fluttered and did not have the backbone of the 18x20. I am intrigued what a little weight in the head of the 16x19 would do. Stock swingweight on this thing is 328 using 4G 1.25.


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Prettty what I felt when using the 16x19 string pattern. It doesn't have the stability of the 18x20 and doesn't hit as solid a ball.

Just find an under spec 18x20 and it will the amazing. My first blade v7 18x20 was around SW of 343 but my second came around SW 333 so it was pretty close to my preferred specs.

I think if I can get one around 285 SW, then that will be ideal.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I got one in that sw and it won't affect stability. Blade is rock solid. With head hawk touch 17g or hyper g 16l, it gonna be 328 SW anyways so that isn't that under specd.

I had a sw of 280 blade that I sold and that felt a bit unstable since
it was 320 SW with the same string set up.
I use prince tour xp 1.30 mains with rs lyon 1.25 crosses. Sounds like the strung SW will be perfect then. Replace with a leather grip and I’ll be good to go.
 

snoflewis

Hall of Fame
Where did you find these?
i picked them up internationally. Had to jump through some hoops because the store didnt accept international payments and because they cant ship wilson stuff overseas. i'd share the store but they're sold out.

i might be willing to part with a couple if you're interested. I can share more info with you over PMs
 

tennis347

Professional
Played two competitive sets against a computer rated 4.0 that has a 4.5 game using the 18x20. As expected this thing is a dozer that rewards good footwork and leg drive/trunk activation on groundies and serves. I started fatiguing towards the end and I wasn’t hitting as clean or heavy though. You need to be fit to swing 340 swingweight for 1.5 hours, no surprises there.

After the match I hit a few balls with the 16x19. Felt surprisingly good and very light and whippy in comparison to the 18x20. The ball trajectory is definitely loopier. If I had to make an analogy, the 18x20 is like driving stick, more work but super rewarding. I can understand why the 16x19 would appeal to a certain segment, just like how the 18x20 is a player’s frame that purists that can wield it ogle over. However on off center hits or when I was absorbing heavy pace, the 16x19 fluttered and did not have the backbone of the 18x20. I am intrigued what a little weight in the head of the 16x19 would do. Stock swingweight on this thing is 328 using 4G 1.25.


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I would definitely agree that the 16 x 19 frame is less demanding and more user friendly. As I stated in an earlier post, I put 1.5 grams at 10 and 2 as well as 2 grams on the butt of the handle. It’s very stable and rock solid at 329 grams. IMO a 340 swing weight is way too much and not needed at the 4.0-4.5 level.
 

gutfeeling

Semi-Pro
I would definitely agree that the 16 x 19 frame is less demanding and more user friendly. As I stated in an earlier post, I put 1.5 grams at 10 and 2 as well as 2 grams on the butt of the handle. It’s very stable and rock solid at 329 grams. IMO a 340 swing weight is way too much and not needed at the 4.0-4.5 level.
I actually don’t mind the 338 swing weight of the 18x20, the overall static weight is less than 330 so that helps. If you’re tired or sloppy in terms of preparation though, forget about it. 330+ plus sw is not need at any level frankly, but it is nice when you’re playing big hitters/servers. I’ve played with computer rated 4.0s that wipe the floor with self rated 4.5/5.0s so it’s hard for me to agree that any given setup is appropriate for a particular level, or that any particular level plays a certain way. I’ve seen it all lol.
 

tennis347

Professional
I actually don’t mind the 338 swing weight of the 18x20, the overall static weight is less than 330 so that helps. If you’re tired or sloppy in terms of preparation though, forget about it. 330+ plus sw is not need at any level frankly, but it is nice when you’re playing big hitters/servers. I’ve played with computer rated 4.0s that wipe the floor with self rated 4.5/5.0s so it’s hard for me to agree that any given setup is appropriate for a particular level, or that any particular level plays a certain way. I’ve seen it all lol.
I hear you. It’s all about what your comfortable with. I like a rather healthy swing weight but anything above 330 is out of my wheelhouse these days at 52 along with some shoulder issues. In my younger playing days, I played with thin beam racquets with a swing weight above 350 with no problems, lol . My shoulder can’t handle a really hefty weight these days. 329 grams on my 16 x 19 Blade is more than ample along with close to 330 swing weight, lol .
 

gutfeeling

Semi-Pro
I hear you. It’s all about what your comfortable with. I like a rather healthy swing weight but anything above 330 is out of my wheelhouse these days at 52 along with some shoulder issues. In my younger playing days, I played with thin beam racquets with a swing weight above 350 with no problems, lol . My shoulder can’t handle a really hefty weight these days. 329 grams on my 16 x 19 Blade is more than ample along with close to 330 swing weight, lol .
I’m going to keep the 16x19s “in my bag” in case the 18x20s make my life difficult during competitive USTA play. The high sw to static weight ratio of the 18x20 can be tricky so I need to figure out if it’s an adjustment period issue or a reality check issue - I don’t train like a college or pro player lol. It was cool to instantly feel the differences between the two. The on spec 16x19 is definitely a sweet offering by Wilson.


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Lozannois

Rookie
I’m going to keep the 16x19s “in my bag” in case the 18x20s make my life difficult during competitive USTA play. The high sw to static weight ratio of the 18x20 can be tricky so I need to figure out if it’s an adjustment period issue or a reality check issue - I don’t train like a college or pro player lol. It was cool to instantly feel the differences between the two. The on spec 16x19 is definitely a sweet offering by Wilson.


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Totally agree with that and same situation for me. In my bag is the v7 18x20, the v7 16x19 and maybe the TF40. With these rackets in your bag, your opponents can go home... ;)

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Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Dude, people can hit the ball very hard with this frame. It’s known for first strike hitting. I am not sure what big boy tennis means, but I imagine I have faced it down here in SoFL and plenty of guys down here use a stock Blade.

I respect that you don’t like the racquet, but to disparage people who use this frame as soft hitters or old guys is pretty lame and also pretty ignorant.
You are 100% correct with this.
The person seems to be saying "old, low ranked, soft hitters should use an RF97".
What this person is actually trying to do, is dictate what people should be hitting with by insulting them.
 
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gutfeeling

Semi-Pro
No you aren't alone, we have 4 in this household. I don't understand these low static weights these guys are getting, because these 4 are all 332 gm with and over-grip on them.
We love them. I just switched from the ProStaff 97 and even those ones I added weight to 2 and 10.
I think there are some underspec frames floating around. Makes sense, it’s a +/- 7 gram tolerance. I had an underspec 18x20 that was underwhelming, and I have a spec 16x19 that hits a nice ball. Go figure!


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dave t

Rookie
These anemic frames do exist. I tried to grab a third CV blade as a backup for my others. I think the SW was 20 pts less with similar static weight/balance. there was absolutely I could do to make it feel close. I guess it happens. Made me a TW-matching customer for life.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
Holy crap. I have finally fallen in love after moving from 16x19 to 18x20 and then 3 different string beds I'm at 46x44 Hyper G 18g/RS Lyon 17L and it is amazingly plush, ridiculous control and plow through and my OHBH appreciates the great swingweight.

I think I found my racquet and combo after exploring PST v3, PS17, K7 Lime, and Angell TC95. Damn it feels good to be locked in.

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Lozannois

Rookie
Holy crap. I have finally fallen in love after moving from 16x19 to 18x20 and then 3 different string beds I'm at 46x44 Hyper G 18g/RS Lyon 17L and it is amazingly plush, ridiculous control and plow through and my OHBH appreciates the great swingweight.

I think I found my racquet and combo after exploring PST v3, PS17, K7 Lime, and Angell TC95. Damn it feels good to be locked in.

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Very nice combo ! It's also on my list. Will try it soon !

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