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WhiskeyEE

Legend
So after all that talk of easy draws, hard draws, per seeding ...

The projected 3rd round opponent for Djokovic was Lajovic. Gone
The projected 4th round opponent for Djokovic was Monfils. Gone.
The projected 5th round opponent for Djokovic was Tsitsipas. Gone.
Hurcacz is a better player than Lajovic. That wasn't even an upset.

And his 4th round opponent is FAA. Who had Monfils making the 4th round?
 
Damn USA coverage of Wimbledon sucks for the early rounds. Wish it was back on tennis channel and not ESPN. Showing a replay of gauff after already spending two hours on it.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Wow, what a day. Couldn't watch, but Djokovic couldn't have asked for much better, could he? Not that he needs the help, mind you!

The only seed he can still face before the QF is No 19 FAA, who never won a match at a GS before today, and now is the favourite to make it through to R4. We'll see how he deals with that expectation, and whether he makes the second week in what I believe is only his second main draw appearance at a GS after USO 2018 (where he withdrew during his match with Shapo). If he does, that will be a tremendous achievement. Also taking out the defending champion in R4? No chance. (Unless Novak has a really bad day.)

The most dangerous seed left for the QF is No 11 Bullsheet Russian. He did reach the Queens SF, and beat Djokovic on clay this year, so I suppose he could make a match of this, if he gets through. But again, he has never made a GS QF, and only once R4 (AO this year). He's also still rather inconsistent, so I don't think Novak will be quaking in his boots. The other seeds left in the quarter are No 21 Goffin and No. 30 Edmunds. Goffin of course has had a bit of a resurgence and made the Halle final against Fed.

In the bottom half of the draw we have only lost Zverev, who, let's face it, was probably nobody's favourite to reach the semis after the year he's had. Still, Khachanov at No 10 is now the highest seed that Novak can face at all on his way to the final, and I doubt that Karen will make the semis tbh.

Not the easiest slam path I've ever seen, but certainly one that a player of Djokovic's calibre should have no difficulty navigating.
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
Wow, what a day. Couldn't watch, but Djokovic couldn't have asked for much better, could he? Not that he needs the help, mind you!

The only seed he can still face before the QF is No 19 FAA, who never won a match at a GS before today, and now is the favourite to make it through to R4. We'll see how he deals with that expectation, and whether he makes the second week in what I believe is only his second main draw appearance at a GS after USO 2018 (where he withdrew during his match with Shapo). If he does, that will be a tremendous achievement. Also taking out the defending champion in R4? No chance. (Unless Novak has a really bad day.)

The most dangerous seed left for the QF is No 11 Bullsheet Russian. He did reach the Queens SF, and beat Djokovic on clay this year, so I suppose he could make a match of this, if he gets through. But again, he has never made a GS QF, and only once R4 (AO this year). He's also still rather inconsistent, so I don't think Novak will be quaking in his boots. The other seeds left in the quarter are No 21 Goffin (still to play his first round) and No. 30 Edmunds. Goffin of course has had a bit of a resurgence and made the Halle final against Fed.

In the bottom half of the draw we have only lost Zverev, who, let's face it, was probably nobody's favourite to reach the semis after the year he's had. Still, Khachanov at No 10 is now the highest seed that Novak can face at all on his way to the final, and I doubt that Karen will make the semis tbh.

Not the easiest slam path I've ever seen, but certainly one that a player of Djokovic's calibre should have no difficulty navigating.
Novak's only competition in his half is FAA (first slam win as you said), Mevedev (meh), bad back Raonic, and bad form Anderson.

Definitely hard to see him not making the final. It would take another tornado. And with the roof I guess that can't happen.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Novak's only competition in his half is FAA (first slam win as you said), Mevedev (meh), bad back Raonic, and bad form Anderson.

Definitely hard to see him not making the final. It would take another tornado. And with the roof I guess that can't happen.
We could add Goffin to these. And, just maybe, Queens Champ Feliciano (though his age is not in his favour). Not that adding either changes anything about the conclusion.
 

73west

Semi-Pro
Not really how it works. Nadal was seeded 4th behind 2nd seed Andy Roddick at 2005 RG, but he was the obvious favourite for the title.
It is exactly how it works if you look at what I was saying. I was not making educated guesses as to who would advance, only looking at the seeding and the draw.

In that context, his projected opponents were the highest seeds in his path.

Vijay R
 

TennisFan3

Legend
Powder puff draw for Novak. Not that he needed it. But short of him getting injured on court, I can't see him losing the tournament.
It's like a walk in the park to the final, and even there he might destroy whoever is on the other side of the net.

What a time to be Novak Djokovic. After his come-back he's won 3 slams, lost in the 5th set of the SF in the 4th one. Looks destined to win this Wimbledon and likely the UsOpen too. And AO 2020 he's always the favorite on that surface.
Novak's also made more prize money than anyone in the history of the game. Best part: He still runs and moves like a gazelle. He might keep this on for the next 3-4 years. His greatest threat would always have been the new gen (not Fedal). The newgen is obviously useless, so honestly I won't bet against him cleaning up the slams for the next several years. He might break all kinds of records and create history repeatedly.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
Jeeez what a day one. Djokovic must feel so blessed right now. And I can't decide what's worse, Zverev or Dimitrov's loss. Maybe the former since he's at least younger and seeded.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Jeeez what a day one. Djokovic must feel so blessed right now. And I can't decide what's worse, Zverev or Dimitrov's loss. Maybe the former since he's at least younger and seeded.

Zverev loss is nowhere near as bad as dimitrov or tsitsipas. Zverev at least played a good grass player. Tsitsipas literally played an absolute bum and dimitrov was up 2-0 serving for the match
 

skip1969

Legend
So after all that talk of easy draws, hard draws, per seeding ...

The projected 3rd round opponent for Djokovic was Lajovic. Gone
The projected 4th round opponent for Djokovic was Monfils. Gone.
The projected 5th round opponent for Djokovic was Tsitsipas. Gone.
And that's after just the top half has gotten onto the court.

Which makes all of the insipid TTW threads on draws that much more annoying.
 

skip1969

Legend
Not really how it works. Nadal was seeded 4th behind 2nd seed Andy Roddick at 2005 RG, but he was the obvious favourite for the title.
Umm . . . actually, @73west is right. That's exactly the way seeding works. Seeding is based on ranking. The reason they went to 32 seeds was to help more of the top ranked guys make their seeding and not have to play each other in the early rounds.

So when you do a generic projection into potential future rounds, you pop in the seeded players by default . . . not the guy who you think is gonna get there. If not, then seeds have no purpose and you could just throw all of the players into a bag and do a blind draw.

It's seeding . . . it's not racquet bracket.
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
Umm . . . actually, @73west is right. That's exactly the way seeding works. Seeding is based on ranking. The reason they went to 32 seeds was to help more of the top ranked guys make their seeding and not have to play each other in the early rounds.

So when you do a generic projection into potential future rounds, you pop in the seeded players by default . . . not the guy who you think is gonna get there. If not, then seeds have no purpose and you could just throw all of the players into a bag and do a blind draw.

It's seeding . . . it's not racquet bracket.
I've never heard of "projected opponent" blindly referring to the highest possible seed. FAA was the 6th favourite to win the tournament before it started.

His post brought up the difficulty of Novak's draw and obviously that sort of subjective topic requires more nuance than what you just described.
 

skip1969

Legend
I've never heard of "projected opponent" blindly referring to the highest possible seed. FAA was the 6th favourite to win the tournament before it started.

His post brought up the difficulty of Novak's draw and obviously that sort of subjective topic requires more nuance than what you just described.
Your initial question was, "Who had Monfils making the 4th round?"
His reply was, "The seeding."

100% accurate, in that Monfils was seeded 16 and therefore, seeded on paper to make it to the round of 16. Again, that's how seeds work.

I'm not talking about filling in a racquet bracket or getting the line from the bookies. There you can put anyone you want into that projected fourth round slot against Novak. Putting Monfils, a clay court grinder who likes to play 20 feet behind the baseline might seem like a stretch. But you could say the same about putting Felix there, a guy who had never played best-of-five on grass until today, and never played/won a match at Wimby (until today).
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
Your initial question was, "Who had Monfils making the 4th round?"
His reply was, "The seeding."

100% accurate, in that Monfils was seeded 16 and therefore, seeded on paper to make it to the round of 16. Again, that's how seeds work.

I'm not talking about filling in a racquet bracket or getting the line from the bookies. There you can put anyone you want into that projected fourth round slot against Novak. Putting Monfils, a clay court grinder who likes to play 20 feet behind the baseline might seem like a stretch. But you could say the same about putting Felix there, a guy who had never played best-of-five on grass until today, and never played/won a match at Wimby (until today).
Seeding in tennis is just a way to give some structure to tournament design. They are not "projected opponents."

Is the person with the most difficult draw, by default, the person who draws the highest ranked players? Is Garin a more difficult 1st round opponent than Kyrgios?

Bringing up that Novak's highest ranked potential 4th round opponent lost does not lend support to the argument that his draw, which some claimed was initially difficult, has suddenly fallen apart. Especially since Monfils was never considered to be a factor by anyone.
 

EllieK

Professional
Djokovic will have to break an ankle to not make the final and since his ankles are basically made of elastic, that ain't gonna happen.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Djokovic will have to break an ankle to not make the final and since his ankles are basically made of elastic, that ain't gonna happen.
All his joints are elasticated which is why he can stretch them further and in directions it would be impossible for any human being to imitate. :cool:
 

mightyrick

Legend
Calling it right now. Someone called it before i believe. Querrey to take out thiem tomorrow in the first round.
I don't know if you're being facetious or not. But I'll tell you. I think Querrey actually could definitely take Thiem out. Over the last few years, Querrey has actually adapted his game very well to grass.

I'm pretty sure nobody wants to play Querrey. The same goes for Anderson. They have serves but they also actually have ground game.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
I don't know if you're being facetious or not. But I'll tell you. I think Querrey actually could definitely take Thiem out. Over the last few years, Querrey has actually adapted his game very well to grass.

I'm pretty sure nobody wants to play Querrey. The same goes for Anderson. They have serves but they also actually have ground game.

SOMETIMES Querrey has a ground game. Other times he looks atrocious. Watch his match last week against Fritz for example.
 

mightyrick

Legend
SOMETIMES Querrey has a ground game. Other times he looks atrocious. Watch his match last week against Fritz for example.
Agree. That final was horrible. That was way worse than the garden-variety Querrey lapse... where he goes away for a set. That was just terrible. Anderson (who I think is most similar to Querrey) is far more consistent and a better mover.

But I definitely think Querrey is good enough to beat Thiem. Even if Querrey does his usual "choke for a set-and-a-half"... I think he can win.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Agree. That final was horrible. That was way worse than the garden-variety Querrey lapse... where he goes away for a set. That was just terrible. Anderson (who I think is most similar to Querrey) is far more consistent and a better mover.

But I definitely think Querrey is good enough to beat Thiem. Even if Querrey does his usual "choke for a set-and-a-half"... I think he can win.
A month ago I would have said Thiem rolls easily in this matchup. His Joe Kovic no-warmup tournament strategy combined with Sam finding a bit of form last week makes this a very possible upset.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Wow, what a day. Couldn't watch, but Djokovic couldn't have asked for much better, could he? Not that he needs the help, mind you!

The only seed he can still face before the QF is No 19 FAA, who never won a match at a GS before today, and now is the favourite to make it through to R4. We'll see how he deals with that expectation, and whether he makes the second week in what I believe is only his second main draw appearance at a GS after USO 2018 (where he withdrew during his match with Shapo). If he does, that will be a tremendous achievement. Also taking out the defending champion in R4? No chance. (Unless Novak has a really bad day.)

The most dangerous seed left for the QF is No 11 Bullsheet Russian. He did reach the Queens SF, and beat Djokovic on clay this year, so I suppose he could make a match of this, if he gets through. But again, he has never made a GS QF, and only once R4 (AO this year). He's also still rather inconsistent, so I don't think Novak will be quaking in his boots. The other seeds left in the quarter are No 21 Goffin and No. 30 Edmunds. Goffin of course has had a bit of a resurgence and made the Halle final against Fed.

In the bottom half of the draw we have only lost Zverev, who, let's face it, was probably nobody's favourite to reach the semis after the year he's had. Still, Khachanov at No 10 is now the highest seed that Novak can face at all on his way to the final, and I doubt that Karen will make the semis tbh.

Not the easiest slam path I've ever seen, but certainly one that a player of Djokovic's calibre should have no difficulty navigating.
The draw is rigged. They want big 3 in the semis for more attention. The all have it easy. The first real match will be Federer v Nadal in the semis, followed by the other real match between the winner there v Djokovic.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Was on Centre yesterday 5 rows back from the court. Court speed looked fine from my point of view. Novak in very good form. Osaka just not consistent enough and needs to call Sascha to get him back on board. Edmund was good, but some wild shots. Will do well to get through the first week. Otherwise caught the 1st set of Heather’s match. Thought she was lucky to win that set to be honest.
 

73west

Semi-Pro
The draw is rigged. They want big 3 in the semis for more attention. The all have it easy. The first real match will be Federer v Nadal in the semis, followed by the other real match between the winner there v Djokovic.
How do you rig 3/4? That doesn’t even make sense.

I mean, if every tough opponent were thrown in with Anderson, perhaps, but clearly that isn’t what happened.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Thompson has won 6 of his last 8 matches on grass meanwhile Kyrgios just hasn't been great of late.

Dare to favour Jordan here.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Murray playing with Serena in mixed doubles. since serena most likely to be upset early, this will give her the chcnace to stay in the championships til 2nd week
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Abysmal attempts at a tweener then from Kyrgios gives Thompson 0-30.

Perhaps bad Kyrgios has turned up today.

Double break points for Jordan now.
 
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