2019 WTF 1/2 Final:Roger Federer vs. Stefanos Tistsipas

Who Wins?

  • 08.08.1981 wins in two

    Votes: 24 47.1%
  • 08.08.1981 wins in three

    Votes: 12 23.5%
  • 12.08.1998 wins in two

    Votes: 11 21.6%
  • 12.08.1998 wins in three

    Votes: 4 7.8%

  • Total voters
    51

guitarra

Professional
Well done to Stefanos on reaching the biggest final of his career. Best of luck to him but if it's vs Dominic I'll be rooting for the Austrian. :)

As for Roger. Sad to see him lose. That Djokovic win probably took too much out of him physically and mentally so that he had little left for today. But it's admirable that a 38-year old man is still capable of reaching the semifinals of the biggest events in tennis. Keep fighting, Roger! Your are and will always be a legend.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
The problem for Fed is that he's ancient. 2004 Fed was FAR faster than anything Stef brings now.
Prime Federer's speed is so underrated in this forum, or at least to those who never watched him play in the mid 2000s. His ability to turn defense into offense was his biggest strength in my opinion.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
The problem for Fed is that he's ancient. 2004 Fed was FAR faster than anything Stef brings now.
That’s so true. People forget that Federer was a very good soccer player when he was young. He had blazing speed. But even better, his coordination and footwork that he likely picked up from soccer allowed Fed to so quickly set up that never-seen-before cannon of a forehand .

Sampras had a great forehand. But a slightly last his prime Sampras couldn’t hit through Hewitt. Federer at his best could blast his forehand through Hewitt with ease. This is no disrespect to Pete, who was a phenomenal all court player with a top-5 forehand in history. Fed’s forehand was on a different level.

Fed’s footwork here is phenomenal. It allowed him to set up so many sharp-angle shots from both wings.

 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
That’s so true. People forget that Federer was a very good soccer player when he was young. He had blazing speed. But even better, his coordination and footwork that he likely picked up from soccer allowed Fed to so quickly set up that never-seen-before cannon of a forehand .

Sampras had a great forehand. But a slightly last his prime Sampras couldn’t hit through Hewitt. Federer at his best could blast his forehand through Hewitt with ease. This is no disrespect to Pete, who was a phenomenal all court player with a top-5 forehand in history. Fed’s forehand was on a different level.

Fed’s footwork here is phenomenal. It allowed him to set up so many sharp-angle shots from both wings.

You watch that video and notice every time Federer has even a second to set up that forehand he’s literally putting every ounce of body weight into it and exploding into that ball. He doesn’t hit the forehand anything like that nowadays. He was so ruthless from that wing.
 

Rogfan

Professional
From the ATP website:
Did You Know?
In Federer's two defeats against Tsitsipas, the Swiss went just 1-for-24 on his break point opportunities.
I think these numbers really hang in players’ mind. For Tsitsipas, knowing Fed is so hopeless helps him relax and serve big, in bps, the opposite for Fed. I can imagine Fed will only get worse in bps as he plays Tsitsi more. Sad.
 
I think these numbers really hang in players’ mind. For Tsitsipas, knowing Fed is so hopeless helps him relax and serve big, in bps, the opposite for Fed. I can imagine Fed will only get worse in bps as he plays Tsitsi more. Sad.
Fed has beaten Tsitsipas in the last two outing on tour, and well deserved wins, I think it is a credit to Tsitsipas that he has put them behind him and still hands tough in another match, because yesterday is not my tomorrow
Fed acknowledged that by saying “ he is a tough as nails”
 

Tenez!

Professional
That’s so true. People forget that Federer was a very good soccer player when he was young. He had blazing speed. But even better, his coordination and footwork that he likely picked up from soccer allowed Fed to so quickly set up that never-seen-before cannon of a forehand .

Sampras had a great forehand. But a slightly last his prime Sampras couldn’t hit through Hewitt. Federer at his best could blast his forehand through Hewitt with ease. This is no disrespect to Pete, who was a phenomenal all court player with a top-5 forehand in history. Fed’s forehand was on a different level.

Fed’s footwork here is phenomenal. It allowed him to set up so many sharp-angle shots from both wings.

What's also amusing is that Agassi looks ancient on the video, yet is 4 years younger than Federer today.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Is this the first time you're watching Fed? He gets that all the time, are you gonna write the same S every time he loses.
It must be the social media gen, feverishly counting likes and basing their existence on their favorite playing winning and hating the most popular guy. Back when Lendl played, his fans (like me) embraced him being hated and loved giving the finger to Mac. But the pre-Internet age is obviously long gone.

To all those endlessly whining that their guy gets booed or hissed, then change allegiance to Fed and your problem is solved.
 

Fridge

Professional
Is this the first time you're watching Fed? He gets that all the time, are you gonna write the same S every time he loses?

Yes people prefer to support the GOAT over Stefanos "I like myself better naked" Tsitsipas, what's your problem?
No. I am just starting to call his fans out now after more and more matches (especially after losses). It is fun to see them act as if they have lost a child when he loses!
 
just like 20,000 crowds celebrate for every Novak error.. and shout and jeer at him ,so that he makes more mistakes .
Maratha, I don't know if you have a business, but if you do, you know that your customers, clients, are the bosses, and they are always right,
even when they are wrong, assuming you want to keep all your clients.
By the same token, the crowd is the boss, and the crowd is always right, specially when they boo Djokovic.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
This is perfect actually. Federer at least did his job two days ago. :p It will be great to see one of the younger guys winning this tournament for yet another year.
Couldn’t have asked for more!
Been some great weeks after USO, and now this to rest on until next year. Have a great Christmas time:D
 

merwy

Legend
Federer's attitude on break points is super extreme. Either waits for the opponent to gift him the point or he goes way too risky at bad moments. It's like his whole balance is out of the window.
You mean his attitude on break points and championship points at Wimbledon against Djokovic
 

ACE of Hearts

Talk Tennis Guru
Why should he retire when he went farther than both Nadal and Djoker and beat Djoker????
I’m talking about the whole year in general. Nadal and djoker had better years than the old man. I would feel better for roger had he not choked the wimbledon final. Who cares about a season ending tournament although it would have been nice if he ended on a winning note.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
It does show what motivates Fed at this point. It ain't the money. It ain't the hoes. It ain't the boats. It's the GOATs. How Fed can follow up that match Vs Novak with this utter, utter garbage is all the proof I'll ever need.

I'm not sure how Fraud thinks this will work, gifting all this crap to these mediocre young guns who are already scarred by the big-3. Djokodal ain't impressed much by these guys over BO5. Sad to see, especially when Tittypass is in dire need of a serious lesson and attitude readjustment. I guess Fed hopes TittyTeam is gonna stop Djokodal but it's gonna be the other way round...
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
I'm still wondering why does it make so big difference.
Why Djokodal is beatable by them in BO3, but BO5 is totally different story?
Won't always be that way. These guys have so much experience, in how to prepare to peak for the GS, how to play themselves into the tournament, how to manage the two weeks of Bo5. The day's rest between matches helps with recuperation also. There's a matter of a buildup of stamina also, probably.

But the going guys are getting ready to make a move. I'll be quite surprised if all four slams go to the Big 3 next year.

(Sent from my mobile phone, apologies for typos!)
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Why Djokodal is beatable by them in BO3, but BO5 is totally different story?
I'll be quite surprised if all four slams go to the Big 3 next year.
jeditribble explained it well but I disagree with his conclusion. I don't think there is much coming out of this that will be relevant at AO20 when everyone is fresh. We need to remember where we're at in the season. It's the end and the successful players are tired. 3 of the 4 semi-finalists at WTF had very quiet years at slams and played pretty light calendars.

Look through Titty's performances this year - not good, getting routined in pretty much every tough match except a very ordinary Fed in AO19, who crushed him when fit and fresh in Dubai and Basel. No real tactical or technical changes - serve still weird, groundstrokes a bit moonbally. Titty is basically the last man standing and there will be good things in his future on that alone but he ain't playing that mean a ball.

I'd also add that the big 3 are finding it harder and harder to get to their peak levels and stay there, so they have to let more and more go. I honestly think that if there were a few more marbles to play for this week, you would've seen a very different big 3. You saw glimpses of it with Novak and Fed blowing people away earlier on in the tournament, especially what Fraud did to Nolan in their RR match. Their peak levels are still there but they can't get there all the time, especially after a long year.
 

40L0VE

Semi-Pro
They played and were scored by a scoring system which is 'maths';-| and Federer didn't win the sets or games needed so he went out at the SF stage.
 

Jokervich

Professional
What a crappy year for roger federer. One to forget. Retirement should be around the corner.
He's not retiring as long as Djokovic and Nadal are still around. He's desperate to stop Djokovic and Nadal claiming the GOAT status, although his efforts will likely be futile at this point. It's virtually inevitable one of them wins more slams than him.
 
Roger is the clear favorite, just not an overwhelming one.

The Australia match was an anomaly where Fed actually managed to outdo himself in BP conversion. They've played twice in Bo3 hard court since and Fed won comfortably both times, including just a couple weeks ago.

Fed's capable of dropping his level and randomly losing to anyone at his age (Hello Goffin 2017!), but even an average day at the office should be enough to beat Stefanos. Besides movement, there's not one thing Stef does better than Fed atm.
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