2020 Australian Open QF :- [1] Rafa Nadal vs [5] Domi Thiem
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Berasategui94
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LOL, give me a break that a pink shirt on a man is “effeminate.” Pink shirts look better on fair men as opposed to darker men IMO, but are usually attractive. This is effeminate to you!?
Bright pink looks bad on everybody, including women, and it looks even worse on masculine men, it makes them look silly, almost clownish. But light pink shirts can be stylish on men, too.
And here's one theory why pink could be considered feminine for natural reasons:
Why is the colour pink generally associated with being "girlish"? Is there any fact or history to it?
Answer (1 of 15): One thing something else that Pink is traditionally a girl color but including women And Non-Existent clothes on the Men but does not seen that pink as masculine color or femenine color but No!! i don’t want that pink becoming a girl color or a boy color but sometimes and has no...
marc45
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are you strongrule 2.0
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TennisFan3
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@BeatlesFan - you of all the people should NOT be overrating the next gen.
How is the F.O 2019 relevant to A.O 2020 Final? In French Open, Thiem barely won in 5 when Novak was mad about the weather with conditions not suiting the Serb.
On this court, it's a different story. Novak has NEVER lost after the SF stage. He morphs into a BEAST at the business end here. He loses at other slams, but never loses here.
Do you remember AO 2008? OMG - Djokovic beat Fed in straights in the SF. I was so stunned by that. The biggest surprise ever (other than Nadal-Soderling). Just goes to show how strong Djokovic is on this court.
You are guilty of over-rating Thiem's chances. I would put it at 5% at best. Thiem won't get into a position of winning sets vs Novak. But even if he does, he will choke like he did today, and Novak, unlike Nadal, will take full advantage.
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TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Good post. You do always make a big deal about big hitters.
They haven't done anything so far, as they are SERIAL chokers.
No one wins a slam by beating Nadal and Novak both. Even the great Federer did not do that.
Thiem won against Nadal, but will have his clock cleaned by Novak in the final. Assuming Thiem beats Zverev, which is far from a given.
Legend of Borg
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Bright pink looks bad on everybody, including women, and it looks even worse on masculine men, it makes them look silly, almost clownish. But light pink shirts can be stylish on men, too.
And here's one theory why pink could be considered feminine for natural reasons:
Why is the colour pink generally associated with being "girlish"? Is there any fact or history to it?
Answer (1 of 15): One thing something else that Pink is traditionally a girl color but including women And Non-Existent clothes on the Men but does not seen that pink as masculine color or femenine color but No!! i don’t want that pink becoming a girl color or a boy color but sometimes and has no...www.quora.com
i was reading that in Victorian times pink was a boys color and blue was for girls
gendered colors doesn't really make sense to me considering how it can shift depending on time period
marc45
G.O.A.T.
I did think he was going to use it more, particularly after he hit that sweet one earlier in the match...might have helped break up the rallies and he could have won some cat and mouse points...problem is when those points did break out Thiem was winning most of them...the net loved Domi too
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
First Slam semi-final on hardcourt for both Thiem and Zverev (first on any surface for Zverev). They will now have to fight it out for the (dubious) honour of getting beaten by Djokovic in the final.
Everyone is playing for 2nd place here. But I hope Zverev wins and faces Novak in the final.
At least Zverev can serve big and make the match competitive. Thiem will just brainlessly ball bash and choke hard.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I did think he was going to use it more, particularly after he hit that sweet one earlier in the match...might have helped break up the rallies and he could have won some cat and mouse points...problem is when those points did break out Thiem was winning most of them...the net loved Domi too
Definitely. Dominic had good fortune today. Just maddening in a way to see Dominic move so well from side to side without having to worry about approaching really. You've got to mix in more droppers to keep him honest back there.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
This is a GREAT post. Thiem's tennis IQ and mental strength is the reason he NEVER will be a great player. He might win a slam or two, but that's it.
Every other young player: Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas have FAR HIGHER potential than Thiem.
Thiem lacks brains and adaptability.
His plan A is hit hard, plan B is hit harder.
And if plan A, plan B do NO work, Plan C is CHOKE.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Not so sad about this!!!
Been rooting for Thiem for so long, I feel more happiness for his win than Rafas loss.
And we going to get for sure Zverev or Thiem in the final and it just makes my heart sing! Yeah that was cheesy said, but it’s been such a long wait!!
Been rooting for Thiem for so long, I feel more happiness for his win than Rafas loss.
And we going to get for sure Zverev or Thiem in the final and it just makes my heart sing! Yeah that was cheesy said, but it’s been such a long wait!!
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
But poll said Thiem in 4
oldmanfan
Legend
zvelf
Hall of Fame
Jelena Dokic.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
He was not happy with the umpire
Raul_SJ
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LOL, give me a break that a pink shirt on a man is “effeminate.” Pink shirts look better on fair men as opposed to darker men IMO, but are usually attractive. This is effeminate to you!?
That is a different shade of pink and possibly not as bad...
Hopefully Rafa never wears this ghastly wimpy light pink outfit again. Don't know what he is thinking. Unless Nike forces these ugly colors on him...
Djoker would not be caught dead wearing this pink outfit.
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irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Disappointed but not massively surprised...Thiem is class player, very likeable and hope he wins tournament now...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I didn't see the match but just watched the highlights. I can't believe Nadal lost that 1st set from 5-3 set point up on his serve. That was a collapse. From what I can see though, Thiem played quite well. The problem with Thiem though is that a lot of the time he doesn't use his head and play percentage tennis and instead just bashes away uncontrollably. That's exactly what he did when serving for it with a bit of choking. I did think Nadal not being clutch when he usually is helped Thiem in the end.
I don't think Thiem can beat Nadal in a BO5 on clay unless he is so seriously declined that he can't play top level. Thiem tries to hit Nadal off the court and that is sudden death against Nadal because he just bleeds error after error. I don't see him beating Nadal there this year.
helterskelter
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Roy Emerson and Rod Laver both won multiple titles at all four Slams. Mats Wilander won multiple titles on all three surfaces: two on grass, two on hard courts, three on clay.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He's really good though and more talented than those guys but he doesn't think a lot of the time. He just goes for broke too much. I don't want to get ahead of myself though because if the final is between him and Novak, I don't want to jinx Novak. Lol
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Not staying up for these AO nighttime matches. So, after being really busy this morning; just learning of this result. Zverev or Thiem in the final - that's a big deal. Kudos, Thiem.
Keystoner
Semi-Pro
This was about where after the point he went to look for a mark and then asked for a challenge, and was denied--correct? Did they show the Hawkeye result on the telecast just for ****s and giggles?
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's inability to close sets/matches on serve was bound to catchup with him. He was faltering vs no name journeymen. It was going to be a problem vs a top player.
So it's not a surprise really. I've been watching Nadal enough to know that he wouldn't make the final of this tournament. I had said that in R1 itself.
I do agree with you here. But Thiem is improving. And if he is Nadal's half at RG, he might not beat Nadal, but can soften him up for Djokovic in the final. And Novak can then deliver the Coup de Grace.
You would love that, wouldn't you? Haha.
aditya123
Hall of Fame
Lolll. However earlier his plan c was to hit the ball into audience
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
If I am Novak, I'd want Thiem to be in the final. Everyone knows Thiem will choke at the big moments.
Zverev is such a wild card. He can play crap in a match. But if he's ON, he doesn't choke. He has the game to blow away anyone.
In other words, even if Thiem plays the match of his life, and Djokovic plays C game, Novak can still hang with him and Thiem will choke away leads. With Zverev you never know. The German may play pathetic and lose in straights.
Or he might come guns blazing and just go nuts. That is more frightening IMO.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Haha. True.
Poor Thiem, he just lacks the champion mentality. A very nice guy otherwise.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I actually haven't been able to watch much of Nadal this tournament because of the time difference. He probably was much more efficient in 2019 except the final though.
Now that is actually a possibility although Djokovic himself is more vulnerable on clay these days. He would need a really good draw I think and definitely no Thiem since he has caused him all kinds of problems since 2017.
Mainad
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aditya123
Hall of Fame
Hope Massu will infuse some champions mentality in him but wait can he??? He was a good player but aint a great champion I feel.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea you make good points there. Zverev is probably a little more of a wildcard, although both can be dangerous, but a Zverev serving huge at 80% is a scary prospect. In that case, you'd much rather have Thiem who will make mistakes and give you openings.
aditya123
Hall of Fame
2017 Rg, Djokovic purposefully tanked in third but then he was going to lose however and in Rome earlier he did beat Thiem
oldmanfan
Legend
I also think Z is the bigger threat to Djokr. It's match-ups, always match-ups.
Assuming they both play fairly well:
BH: Z's is slightly worse than Djokr's.
serve: Z's is comfortably better than Djokr's (see WTF18).
ROS: Z's is worse, but he will have enough looks (see WTF18).
FH: Z's is comfortably worse than Djokr's.
Based on their form at this AO, a Z/Djokr finals would be close.
Berasategui94
Semi-Pro
Yeah, I've heard that before, but I still believe pink is naturally more feminine than masculine.
Different colors have natural qualities, and people's personalities also have some correlation to their color preferences. There's even personality/career assessment tests based on color preference like this one:
Home
deweycolorsystem.com
In the test results you get recommended a "best" and "2nd best" occupational category, and the categories have 7 specific personality traits associated with them and they're very different on each category, so the descriptions are not horoscope-like but more like those in the MBTI profiles.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly. But it is unlikely that Zverev plays at that level in the first slam final.
Really, this should be Novak's slam now. He can pocket #17 and proceed to clay. Djokovic needs to win at least one more slam (in addition to AO) to keep the GOAT race interesting.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I don't think he "purposefully tanked" but just was mentally completely out of sorts, was out of sorts all tounament really, carrying that elbow injury and just did not fight in that match. He seemed like he wanted off that court after the 1st set.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Sometimes these things cannot be taught. You either have it or you don't. Thiem is probably the latter.
Look at Nadal for example. Even when he was a kid in 2004 - he was a beast mentally. I've rarely seen him fold in big matches.
I mean if anything, Nadal falters as he's gotten older. But he was always so rock solid since he was a teen. You cannot teach that.
aditya123
Hall of Fame
Hmmm true...... If it(champions mentality) has to be taught it has to be taught at a young age I guess. At his present age it is difficult m
abmk
Bionic Poster
there was a break and break back in all the 3 TB sets.
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
Yeah maybe. Zverev was the first next gen to win a masters. First next gen to win the YEC. May have gotten over the mental barrier and could be the first to win a slam.
He's still only 22 years old. Thiem at 26 is close to passing his prime already. Keep in mind that Nadal in 2014 was 27. By 28 his former style no longer worked and he had to get a new coach.
I’m pretty sure he did shake her hand. Post match, when the camera feeds cuts to show Rafa having come around to Thiem’s side to congratulate him, you can see the umpire in the background leaning over with her arm outstretched and then sit up straight. So looks like Rafa shook her hand on the way to Thiem.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
You're welcome, sir.
Though calling each other friend, buddy, fella, bro, dear would be much comfortable imo..
Krish0608
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Roflmao. I read ignored comments just for this sake. I don't like to gloat, but this troll took obnoxiousness to a whole new level. I am not happy that Nadal lost but there is an odd satisfaction from seeing this meltdown. Karma, b*tches.
arvind13
Professional
one of the most idiotic comments. thiem at 26 is passing his prime??? when you have a 38 year old, a 33 year old and 32 year old as the top 3 players, thiem at 26 is nowhere near passing his prime. this is not 1981 when borg retired at 26. in the modern game 26 is nothing
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
Nadal passed his prime at 27-28 in 2014-2015. Fed passed his prime in 2010 at 28. How good they were to begin with and how weak the current/previous eras have been is why they are still on top.
It's hardly a controversial remark if you have paid any real attention to the sport. Nadal had to completely re-purpose his game around his athletic decline. And I doubt Thiem has that adaptability.
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