2020 Australian Open QF :- [1] Rafa Nadal vs [5] Domi Thiem

Match Result prediction poll


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arvind13

Professional
Nadal passed his prime at 27-28 in 2014-2015. Fed passed his prime in 2010 at 28. How good they were to begin with and how weak the current/previous eras have been is why they are still on top.

It's hardly a controversial remark if you have paid any real attention to the sport. Nadal had to completely re-purpose his game around his athletic decline. And I doubt Thiem has that adaptability.

2010 was a long time ago. 2020 players are fitter even though they may not be as good shotmakers compared to players of the past. nadal has had so many injuries because of his style of play. Thiem hasn't slowed down physically in last 3 years. and actually he has improved his skills and mentally matured over last 3 years. so no, thiem is not ''passing his prime''. infact he is in his prime.
 

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
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WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
2010 was a long time ago. 2020 players are fitter even though they may not be as good shotmakers compared to players of the past. nadal has had so many injuries because of his style of play. Thiem hasn't slowed down physically in last 3 years. and actually he has improved his skills and mentally matured over last 3 years. so no, thiem is not ''passing his prime''. infact he is in his prime.

There is nothing different now compared to 10 years ago. If you think there is, then explain specifically what has changed. Because I know for a fact that nothing has.

How are players "fitter" now? What advancements have there been in strength and conditioning training and physio? Specifically? Never mind that this has nothing to do with the aging process of the body anyway.

Nadal didn't just have injuries. He got slower and had to fire his uncle and hire Moya because he needed to become more aggressive to keep playing at the highest level. His more defensive style that he learned under Toni no longer worked.

And you called me an idiot. lol. You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Yeah maybe. Zverev was the first next gen to win a masters. First next gen to win the YEC. May have gotten over the mental barrier and could be the first to win a slam.

He's still only 22 years old. Thiem at 26 is close to passing his prime already. Keep in mind that Nadal in 2014 was 27. By 28 his former style no longer worked and he had to get a new coach.
LOL, comparing possible Thiem burnout to Nadal. You do realize that at Thiem’s current age (26, 5), Nadal had played almost 300 more ATP/DC level matches by the end of 2012 season, not 2014 (Nadal DOB June 3, 1986.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
LOL, comparing possible Thiem burnout to Nadal. You do realize that at Thiem’s current age (26, 5), Nadal had played almost 300 more ATP/DC level matches by the end of 2012 season, not 2014 (Nadal DOB June 3, 1986.

Matches are what age you now? Not time? What if someone practices hard but plays no matches? Or only plays Juniors/Futures/Challenger matches? Do those matches not age you? Why specify ATP/DC level and ignore all prior matches or forms of exertion? Sorry bud but that's an old wives' tale. 'Matches' can age you in for example boxing because you can develop brain damage. They won't age you as a tennis player.
 
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Bright pink looks bad on everybody, including women, and it looks even worse on masculine men, it makes them look silly, almost clownish.
Yes, below is an unattractive clown for you (and the topic is insane, it’s simply a matter of taste). Let’s put it like this - this guy walks into a bar, ain’t no woman in there thinking, “no hook up with this ‘clown’ tonight.”

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zvelf

Hall of Fame
Good post. You do always make a big deal about big hitters.
They haven't done anything so far, as they are SERIAL chokers.
No one wins a slam by beating Nadal and Novak both. Even the great Federer did not do that.

Thiem won against Nadal, but will have his clock cleaned by Novak in the final. Assuming Thiem beats Zverev, which is far from a given.

It's not a given, but Thiem is the favorite. Thiem is 6-2 against Zverev and 2-0 against Z on hard courts. Also, coming into this tournament, Zverev lost 3 matches in a row to de Minaur, Tsitsipas, and Shapovalov.
 

arvind13

Professional
There is nothing different now compared to 10 years ago. If you think there is, then explain specifically what has changed. Because I know for a fact that nothing has.

How are players "fitter" now? What advancements have there been in strength and conditioning training and physio? Specifically? Never mind that this has nothing to do with the aging process of the body anyway.

Nadal didn't just have injuries. He got slower and had to fire his uncle and hire Moya because he needed to become more aggressive to keep playing at the highest level. His more defensive style no longer worked.

And you called me an idiot. lol. You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.


to name a few advances last decade: injury rehabilitation technology, injury prevention technology like sensors, preventive genomics, stem cell therapy, and ofcourse DOPING. new performance enhancing drugs are coming up all the time and the ATP's testing is a joke, but that is another issue....

ofcourse aging catches up to you sooner or later but big part of the reason nadal got slower is also because of injuries.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I've heard that before, but I still believe pink is naturally more feminine than masculine.

Different colors have natural qualities, and people's personalities also have some correlation to their color preferences. There's even personality/career assessment tests based on color preference like this one:


In the test results you get recommended a "best" and "2nd best" occupational category, and the categories have 7 specific personality traits associated with them and they're very different on each category, so the descriptions are not horoscope-like but more like those in the MBTI profiles.

well you can believe one thing but reality says otherwise

i have no problem with anyone wearing pink and clearly Nadal (and numerous other ATP players) doesn't care either
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Yes, below is an unattractive clown for you (and the topic is insane, it’s simply a matter of taste). Let’s put it like this - this guy walks into a bar, ain’t no woman in there thinking, “no hook up with this ‘clown’ tonight.”

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leave it, the poster might be a troll hard to say yet
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.

to name a few advances last decade: injury rehabilitation technology, injury prevention technology like sensors, preventive genomics, stem cell therapy, and ofcourse DOPING. new performance enhancing drugs are coming up all the time and the ATP's testing is a joke, but that is another issue....

ofcourse aging catches up to you sooner or later but big part of the reason nadal got slower is also because of injuries.

I said specifically and you post a collection of vague buzz words. Of course a website like "medicalfuturist" is going to discuss current or potential future advancements, however marginal they be. How big of a difference do they make actually? Genomics, heart rate sensors, and anti-gravity treadmills are extending the career-spans of athletes? Riiiiight.

And why are we not seeing this phenomenon in other sports? Why is it only tennis that is aging compared to 10 years ago? Do other athletes not benefit from the same advancements in 'genomics' and heart rate monitoring (lol) that tennis players do?

What advancements have there been with regard to PEDs? Because EPO, HGH, and anabolic steroids were all around 10 years ago. Advancements in PED technology help athletes beat tests that were instituted 10 years ago. That does not make the drugs more efficacious.
 
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Tenacity

Hall of Fame
I’m pretty sure he did shake her hand. Post match, when the camera feeds cuts to show Rafa having come around to Thiem’s side to congratulate him, you can see the umpire in the background leaning over with her arm outstretched and then sit up straight. So looks like Rafa shook her hand on the way to Thiem.
True.

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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Matches are what age you now? Not time? What if someone practices but plays no matches? Or only plays Juniors/Futures/Challenger matches? Do those matches not age you? Sorry bud but that's an old wive's tale. 'Matches' can age you in for example boxing because you can develop brain damage. They won't age you as a tennis player.
You’re hopelessly deluded then. Nadal had so many more miles on him at the same age but you can’t handle being disproved.

Don’t even think about comparing ATP level to Challenger/Future either, in terms of the body/mental fatigue that goes on due to playing a worldwide tour full time at age 17/18 vs experienced pros. In that year (2004) Nadal played 47 ATP/DC matches on 4 continents. That includes 9 Bo5. Thiem? He played 27 total matches in 2011, all but one trip to Bangkok as a ATP250 WC, in Europe and all but four were Futures/Challengers. No Bo5.
 

arvind13

Professional
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I said specifically and you post a collection of vague buzz words. Of course a website like "medicalfuturist" is going to discuss current or potential future advancements, however marginal they be. How big of a difference do they make actually? Genomics, heart rate sensors, and anti-gravity treadmills are extending the career-spans of athletes? Riiiiight.

And why are we not seeing this phenomenon in other sports? Why is it only tennis that is aging compared to 10 years ago? Do other athletes not benefit from the same advancements in 'genomics' and heart rate monitoring (lol) that tennis players do?

What advancements have there been with regard to PEDs? Because EPO, HGH, and anabolic steroids were all around 10 years ago. Advancements in PED technology help athletes beat tests that were instituted 10 years ago. That does not make the drugs more efficacious.

yeah that's a huge leap of logic
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
You’re hopelessly deluded then. Nadal had so many more miles on him at the same age but you can’t handle being disproved.

Don’t even think about comparing ATP level to Challenger/Future either, in terms of the body/mental fatigue that goes on due to playing a worldwide tour full time at age 17/18 vs experienced pros. In that year (2004) Nadal played 47 ATP/DC matches on 4 continents. That includes 9 Bo5. Thiem? He played 27 total matches in 2011, all but one trip to Bangkok as a ATP250 WC, in Europe and all but four were Futures/Challengers. No Bo5.

Oh so the number of continents they played on is significant as well. Well now you've convinced me.

And you aren't proving anything btw. You are arguing a conjecture. Federer made 18/19 slam finals from 2005 to 2010 and began to clearly decline at the same age as Nadal despite having a far less taxing (=less miles) style of play. Like Nadal, he managed to eventually offset this athletic decline by switching to (and, eventually, getting used to) a modern 97 square inch racquet.
 
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leave it, the poster might be a troll hard to say yet

No, I'm interested in psychology, personality and all things related, I'm not just talking out of my ass. There's even such thing as color psychology:


Different colors definitely have some natural qualities, it's not just arbitrary and based on "social constructs". Yes, it's partly cultural but also partly natural.

And I meant that when a large masculine man wears pink, it looks silly, like when a body builder type has a tight pink T-shirt on.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Oh so the number of continents they played on is significant as well. Well now you've convinced me.

And you aren't proving anything btw. You are arguing a conjecture. Federer made 18/19 slam finals from 2005 to 2010 and began to clearly decline at the same age as Nadal despite having a far less taxing (=less miles) style of play.
Yes, it does matter but I guess you’ve never heard of jet lag or the aging consequences of being an airline employee or any other profession dependent on globetrotting.

Just go ahead and believe what you want and continue thinking da Nile is only a river in Egypt.

It’s like arguing with a 6-year-old, “I’m right because I say so.”

LOL!
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Yes, it does matter but I guess you’ve never heard of jet lag or the aging consequences of being an airline employee or any other profession dependent on globetrotting.

Just go ahead and believe what you want and continue thinking da Nile is only a river in Egypt.

It’s like arguing with a 6-year-old, “I’m right because I say so.”

LOL!

I'd put my money on the average 6 year old against you in a debate tbh. Nadal began to show obvious decline at age 28, the same age as Federer, who has a far less taxing style of play. Sampras likewise obviously declined at age 28, despite having one of the least taxing styles of play in history. It turns out that 28 has always been a pretty common age to begin showing athletic decline, regardless of style of play or how many 'miles' one has accumulated in ATP tour level matches. Weird.
 
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marc45

G.O.A.T.
To answer my own question from earlier, Nadal was very humble in the interview. It was complete fake news to summarize this interview as Nadal being unhappy with the umpire. I saw an honest open assessment of himself and his opponent.
I thought he was really honest in saying his emotional/mental attitude was fine..(he often speaks of the "calm", and sometimes not having it in a loss)...by saying he was in fine spirit it gives Thiem even more credit...Rafa battled, just didn't play as well as Thiem overall, and certainly not on the big points
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
More than four hours for a four-set match. Ridiculous. Nadal's time-wasting OCD rituals only exacerbate the problem of these increasingly slow-playing courts. Do the AO organizers really think this is good for tennis? I thought 2017 showed some recognition on their part that matches need to speed up substantially. I guess it didn't.
 

Tuskarr

Semi-Pro
why you hate good tennis?
More than four hours for a four-set match. Ridiculous. Nadal's time-wasting OCD rituals only exacerbate the problem of these increasingly slow-playing courts. Do the AO organizers really think this is good for tennis? I thought 2017 showed some recognition on their part that matches need to speed up substantially. I guess it didn't.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
I've
I haven't watched Thiem play much before, but I watched this match up until the end of the 3rd set, because it was like 4am by that time.

I've got to say that I'm extremely impressed by Thiem's game. He has that ability to handle tough balls extremely well, off both wings. Many times when Nadal sent a tough ball across the net, I was thinking most other players would at best return it defensively, but Thiem can stay offensive and make a return that's just as tough back. He hits the ball so hard off both sides, with good angles. He can create winners from positions not too many others can. I guess already having beaten Nadal numerous times, especially on clay, has him mentally tough as well.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Roflmao. I read ignored comments just for this sake. I don't like to gloat, but this troll took obnoxiousness to a whole new level. I am not happy that Nadal lost but there is an odd satisfaction from seeing this meltdown. Karma, b*tches.
He was the first person I ever added to my ignore list here! (y) Though like you, I sometimes have to read ignored posts anyway just to marvel at the sheer depth of bitterness the human heart can hold.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame

Great win for Thiem.

Great press conference from Nadal.
"He has been playing very well I think, very aggressive, great shots...even from difficult positions he was able to produce amazing shots. So nothing to say, just well done to him."

"He played with the right determination...he's playing great....well done for him. I honestly didn't play a bad match. My attitude was great...good, positive fighting spirit all the time...was difficult to play against him."

And re: losing three tiebreaks, and any particular reason why
"Probably because he played better than me, normally that's the reason."

There's a reason Nadal has the following he does. Find a press conference after a Serena loss where she speaks like this and I'll mail you a blank check.
 

wangs78

Legend
Fed is FAR stronger mentally than Nadal in the later part of their careers. I would even say overall too.
I don't think this is true. Nadal in my view was stronger mentally but his game has declined more than Federer's has. Fed's more complete arsenal has allowed him to continue finding ways to win in his old age whereas Nadal, who has tried doing the same, is less able to do so given his weaker serve and more physical style of play. And note too that Nadal was the one who won TWO slams last year to Fed's zero. I will definitely grant you that at AO 17, Fed finally vanquished his mental demons against Nadal such that mentally they are about even now. Fed's game is just better (off clay) which is why he's won most of their matches since AO 17. Prior to 2017, Fed was definitely mentally impaired in some of their matches, hence the low BP conversions, tight play, etc.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
Well played thiem he truly deserves this victory!! Rafa on another day could have won this in 3 sets but thiem played really great in crunch moments, Thiem can surely win the title now as I think his today's level would surely give djokovic a tough fight.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
Great win for Thiem.

Great press conference from Nadal.
"He has been playing very well I think, very aggressive, great shots...even from difficult positions he was able to produce amazing shots. So nothing to say, just well done to him."

"He played with the right determination...he's playing great....well done for him. I honestly didn't play a bad match. My attitude was great...good, positive fighting spirit all the time...was difficult to play against him."

And re: losing three tiebreaks, and any particular reason why
"Probably because he played better than me, normally that's the reason."

There's a reason Nadal has the following he does. Find a press conference after a Serena loss where she speaks like this and I'll mail you a blank check.
Respect. Very interesting to see that Nadal saw it pretty much the same as I did as a viewer.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I'd put my money on the average 6 year old against you in a debate tbh. Nadal began to show obvious decline at age 28, the same age as Federer, who has a far less taxing style of play. Sampras likewise obviously declined at age 28, despite having one of the least taxing styles of play in history. It turns out that 28 has always been a pretty common age to begin showing athletic decline, regardless of style of play or how many 'miles' one has accumulated in ATP tour level matches. Weird.
Like I said, you get snitty when corrected like a little boy corrected by a teacher. Now you’re doing a straw man tactic by inserting fedr into the “debate.” I only mentioned a LOL about your feeble attempt to compare possible burnout by Thiem vs Nadal at same ages.

BTW, what is this mythical age 28 athletic decline “fact” based on? In tennis in the last decade fedr won 4 slams, The Nadal has 5, Joe Kovic has 6 and Wawrinka 2. Some decline.

Of course you will now say it’s undeserved because of the useless Lost/NextGen void, won’t you WeakWhiskey. Never credit their genius in staying prominent with hard/smart training, improved nutrition, smart technology (racquets/strings/shoes) choices.

If it doesn’t fit your argument you won’t hear of it.

Sad way to go through life.
 

tonylg

Legend
Q: What was you view on the (time) violation?
A: No, no view. It's a time violation, that's all.

Q: You seemed quite agitated during the match. (Clarification - frustrated, iritatated) Was that with yourself?
A: I was not frustrated. I don't see myself with negative attitude during the whole match.

So he didn't complain bitterly to the umpire over the course of a few games, walk off the court and put his hand on an official. It didn't happen, no?
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I actually mentioned Federer and now Sampras because they are inconsistent with your conjecture. You are ignoring evidence that does not fit your conception. Which is all it is.

You are accusing me of what you are actually doing. Of course Fed, Nadal, Novak et al have benefited from generation useless. This is not an unpopular opinion.

I would say that being a racquet stringer is a sad way to go through life, but I suppose jobs like that allow people like you with no critical thinking skills to earn a living. Wasn't going to go there, but since you appear to really want to, I will.
Nice ad hominem but inaccurate. You’re about as shallow minded as the cretin who told me once I wasted my college education because my current occupation as competition to him as a pedicabber doesn’t utilize thought process and rewards those better with people skills and life background. It also appeals to me for the exercise fringe benefit and people contact...like hopping on a plane to Ireland when my customers are from there or Scotland for my Glaswegians or Highlanders, everyday without the stress (that you denied LOL) or cost of travel. But you, who in one afternoon has proved utter hatefulness and just plain stupidity, would probably agree with him as you look down your long snout.

Time for you to disappear, little boy! Ignore button is next because you’re a total waste of my time.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Rafa just was little short and did not capitalize when he had the chance to do so! Cannot win them all and Tie. has really improve from last year to this year.
 

Lebsta

Rookie
A bit disgusted with Rafa to be honest. Thiem played well but not outstanding. But to be up in both sets and have the advantage in tie breakers and still not see it through is a massive let down and i think Rafa needs to look at himself after this match. The match was on his racket, just hold serve at the critical points and he wins the match plain and simple. It highlights again his inability to serve aces or unreturnables constantly which denies him matches that he should win. It's almost like he'd be better if his opponents served all the time.

Ah well i think most anticipated Djokovic would win the tournament so the level of disappointment and outrage isn't too high. Losing the #1 ranking is another sore blow but he does have quite a few clay points to gain later, so he can get it back. He just better make damn sure he gets #20 in June. Very disappointing performance today.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Nice ad hominem but inaccurate. You’re about as shallow minded as the cretin who told me once I wasted my college education because my current occupation as competition to him as a pedicabber doesn’t utilize thought process and rewards those better with people skills and life background. It also appeals to me for the exercise fringe benefit and people contact...like hopping on a plane to Ireland when my customers are from there or Scotland for my Glaswegians or Highlanders, everyday without the stress (that you denied LOL) or cost of travel. But you, who in one afternoon has proved utter hatefulness and just plain stupidity, would probably agree with him as you look down your long snout.

Time for you to disappear, little boy! Ignore button is next because you’re a total waste of my time.

You started with the personal attacks bud. I'm not taking lip from a racquet stringer. Get a grip.
 

Lebsta

Rookie
Expected result. People keep talking about Nadal's mental strength but to me he has become a bit of a choker. When it gets close, he often makes mistakes and can't seem to find a first serve. The US Open final was a prime example of how mentally weak he has become, he was lucky to win that match. Here Kyrgios failed to punish him for his lapses, Thiem didn't. That's the bottom line. Unless he starts playing freely, more often than not he would come out on the wrong side of these tight matches. With that being said, except a few minor hiccups Thiem played a great match but those hiccups would have been enough for a younger Rafa to beat him.

Exactly. All he had to do was hold serve at two stages in the frist two sets and he wins the match. He let himself down this match.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Its amazing how many have abandoned Thiem after his hot run winning on three surfaces in 2016 fizzled. I was leading a whole pack and most abandoned ship.:mad:
I haven’t though! I’ve picked him to win USO. That he would do this well in AO I thought too soon, but I didn’t write him off before AO started. You have been away, to my surprise @NatF been the one having the same thoughts.

But who to pick in the semi?
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
A bit disgusted with Rafa to be honest. Thiem played well but not outstanding. But to be up in both sets and have the advantage in tie breakers and still not see it through is a massive let down and i think Rafa needs to look at himself after this match. The match was on his racket, just hold serve at the critical points and he wins the match plain and simple. It highlights again his inability to serve aces or unreturnables constantly which denies him matches that he should win. It's almost like he'd be better if his opponents served all the time.

Ah well i think most anticipated Djokovic would win the tournament so the level of disappointment and outrage isn't too high. Losing the #1 ranking is another sore blow but he does have quite a few clay points to gain later, so he can get it back. He just better make damn sure he gets #20 in June. Very disappointing performance today.
He's approaching his mid-30s. The big 3 don't play the way they used to ten years ago. Nadal had a good tournament. Federer is having a good tournament as well, though I expect he'll lose rather quickly tonight.
 

wangs78

Legend
Expected result. People keep talking about Nadal's mental strength but to me he has become a bit of a choker. When it gets close, he often makes mistakes and can't seem to find a first serve. The US Open final was a prime example of how mentally weak he has become, he was lucky to win that match. Here Kyrgios failed to punish him for his lapses, Thiem didn't. That's the bottom line. Unless he starts playing freely, more often than not he would come out on the wrong side of these tight matches. With that being said, except a few minor hiccups Thiem played a great match but those hiccups would have been enough for a younger Rafa to beat him.
Honestly I think Nadal is mentally as strong as ever. It's just that the competiton has caught up. Thiem is faster, hits harder and has a better serve. Nadal has been holding off Thiem for the last couple of years now despite Thiem's level being right there with him by virtue of mental strength. It's just that this year, even his will power wasn't enough to stem the tide.
 
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