2020 Australian Open QF :- [1] Rafa Nadal vs [5] Domi Thiem

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tenisdecente

Hall of Fame
You really get the feeling now that this Australian Open title is Djokovic's to lose now more than ever.

In the contrary, Thiem (if defeats Zverev) has a good shot in the final. Not an excellent match up for Djokovic. Nadal would be a deer in the headlights for the Serb

Nadal had Thiem pinned so far behind the baseline consistently yet you can count on one hand how many times Nadal tried keeping Thiem honest with a dropshot.

Probably because he tried a couple of dumb dropshots and paid for them. Thiem was flying on the court
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Bright pink looks bad on everybody, including women, and it looks even worse on masculine men, it makes them look silly, almost clownish. But light pink shirts can be stylish on men, too.

And here's one theory why pink could be considered feminine for natural reasons:


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Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I wonder why Pablo Carreno Busta didn't play with as much vigor, fire and passion against Nadal in the 2nd round the way Thiem did tonight? Pablo didn't even want to pretend like he was trying. Just took his loss like a typical lapdog.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
I'd put my money on the average 6 year old against you in a debate tbh. Nadal began to show obvious decline at age 28, the same age as Federer, who has a far less taxing style of play. Sampras likewise obviously declined at age 28, despite having one of the least taxing styles of play in history. It turns out that 28 has always been a pretty common age to begin showing athletic decline, regardless of style of play or how many 'miles' one has accumulated in ATP tour level matches. Weird.

Where are your stats to back any of these outrageous claims up at?

So far as I can tell, the top 3 men's singles players in the world are currently 33, 32, and 38 years of age, respectively.

They have also comprised the last 12 slams, and if you want to get technical, Stan Wawrinka won the '16 US Open at 31 years of age defeating Djokovic in that final. Andy Murray won Wimbledon that year as well, at 29 years of age. The last 18 major titles have been won by players that were 28 years of age or older at the time. I guess they were all passed their prime, no?
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Where are your stats to back any of these outrageous claims up at?

So far as I can tell, the top 3 men's singles players in the world are currently 33, 32, and 38 years of age, respectively.

They have also comprised the last 12 slams, and if you want to get technical, Stan Wawrinka won the '16 US Open at 31 years of age defeating Djokovic in that final. Andy Murray won Wimbledon that year as well, at 29 years of age. The last 18 major titles have been won by players that were 28 years of age or older at the time. I guess they were all passed their prime, no?

Yes they were all past their primes. There was an enormous gap between them and the field and when the Berdych/Tsonga/etc. generation fell off the subsequent generation was even weaker.

Are you of the opinion that 2017 was prime Federer? Or what is your argument? Did Federer switch racquets in 2013 and hire Edberg to adopt a S&V style because he was still in his prime and everything was still working? Or was he having to make tough decisions to adapt to his athletic decline? All of Federer's contemporaries (Roddick, Davydenko, Safin, etc.) were washed up by 2011.

And is Nadal still in his athletic prime because he is still winning RG every year? Or is the gap between him and everyone else just that big that he can decline considerably and still win?

Wawrinka is an exception. He did play his best tennis past his athletic peak because he was a head case throughout most of his career. He also got a new coach. Not many are going to follow his career trajectory.
 
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Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes they were all past their primes. There was an enormous gap between them and the field and when the Berdych/Tsonga/etc. generation fell off the subsequent generation was even weaker.

Are you of the opinion that 2017 was prime Federer? Or what is your argument? Did Federer switch racquets in 2013 and hire Edberg to adopt a S&V style because he was still in his prime and everything was still working? Or was he having to make tough decisions to adapt to his athletic decline? All of Federer's contemporaries (Roddick, Davydenko, Safin, etc.) were washed up by 2011.

And is Nadal still in his athletic prime because he is still winning RG every year? Or is the gap between him and everyone else just that big that he can decline considerably and still win?

Wawrinka is an exception. He did play his best tennis past his athletic peak because he was a head case throughout most of his career. He also got a new coach. Not many are going to follow his career trajectory.

I'm just saying that the numbers don't support your assertion, like not even a little bit.

But it's okay because @stringertom is a blithering idiot with an IQ of 60 and can only pedal a bike and string racquets!

:-D:-D:-D
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
I'm just saying that the numbers don't support your assertion, like not even a little bit.

But it's okay because @stringertom is a blithering idiot with an IQ of 60 and can only pedal a bike and string racquets!

:-D:-D:-D

So why did Roddick, who is one year younger than Federer, decline so sharply in 2011, one year after Federer began to? Just didn't want it enough? He said himself that he couldn't contend for the biggest titles anymore and that's why he retired.

What about Davydenko? He's the same age as Federer is now. Why was 2010 the last year he made a slam QF? He was a top 6 player from 2005 to 2009 and then fell out of the top 20 at, oddly enough, age 28. Did these guys just not have access to the Illuminati anti-aging products that Federer, etc. do? Or was Federer just so good that he could continue to beat the field and contend for the biggest titles while past his prime?
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
In the contrary, Thiem (if defeats Zverev) has a good shot in the final. Not an excellent match up for Djokovic. Nadal would be a deer in the headlights for the Serb



Probably because he tried a couple of dumb dropshots and paid for them. Thiem was flying on the court

Because he had an unsuccessful attempt doesn't mean he couldn't use it again, and effectively.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Well, thanks to Nadal for wasting a few hours of my life. There were really no reasons to watch this pathetic match. Nadal choked in the first 2 sets, played a terrible game at 1-1 in the fourth set and again failed to win AO. I think he will be slamless this year.
Nadal was playing the world #4, man. Not some Spanish lapdog like Carrenno Busta. You honestly think beating the world #4 ranked player in the world with the power of Thiem was going to be a walk in the park? Nadal was never going to have it easy with Dom Thiem. Get some perspective. Nothing to do with choke. Thiem played stronger and hit the ball harder and was beating Nadal from the baseline. He hit more winners as well.
 

WarriorRafa

Hall of Fame
Another sad thing to see from Rafa was his non-existent FHDTL. He has no confidence in that shot anymore. A few years ago he could change direction so well now he keeps going crosscourt. I think some of it could be due to the heavy balls. And if these balls are used at RG plus put in the roof and night sessions and I dont see him winning the French.

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aditya123

Hall of Fame
Another sad thing to see from Rafa was his non-existent FHDTL. He has no confidence in that shot anymore. A few years ago he could change direction so well now he keeps going crosscourt. I think some of it could be due to the heavy balls. And if these balls are used at RG plus put in the roof and night sessions and I dont see him winning the French.

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Will the roof be closed regardless whether it rains or not????
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I’m watching parts of the 4th set at TC now. Two clay court specialists playing on hard court. Boring.
What about the agonizingly slow play from Nadal? Toweling off after almost every single point and the pre-serve ritual. I like Rafa, but the time between points just ruins the flow of the match. He was averaging 28 seconds between each serve and Gilbert timed him at 34 and 35 seconds many times as early as the second set.
 

tonylg

Legend
What about the agonizingly slow play from Nadal? Toweling off after almost every single point and the pre-serve ritual. I like Rafa, but the time between points just ruins the flow of the match. He was averaging 28 seconds between each serve and Gilbert timed him at 34 and 35 seconds many times as early as the second set.

I turned it off after 2 sets. Ain't nobody got time for dat.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
What about the agonizingly slow play from Nadal? Toweling off after almost every single point and the pre-serve ritual. I like Rafa, but the time between points just ruins the flow of the match. He was averaging 28 seconds between each serve and Gilbert timed him at 34 and 35 seconds many times as early as the second set.

Delaying tactics and never playing to the server's speed has always helped his cause. The shot clock was initiated after much hue and cry to no avail. Things are more or less the same because ATP/ITF cannot impose "fair play" and bans the umpire after he complains.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Dominic is one of my favorites be he went even more hard core with the streaks in his hair(n)
Domi needs to lay off the blonde highlights which look tacky. Fed spends $900 on his haircuts and coloring, Thiem needs to spring for a decent stylist. Domi's GOAT haircut was in 2018:

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Perfectly integrated hair highlighting should be subtle, blending the highlights with the natural darker hair color:

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GeoffHYL

Professional
Watched the extended highlights. Seems like Nadal is a bit slow to his backhand on some points compared to how he used to be. He mishit or didn't get to some BH shots that I remember him able to get to in years past. May not be a big issue once the clay season starts, but could be an issue on other HC and grass tournaments.
 
H2H :- 9-4 nadal.
Last meeting :- 2019 RG final Nad. Def Thiem 6-3 5-7 6-1 6-1
Last(and only) HC meeting :- 2018 USO QF Nad def. Thiem 0-6 6-4 7-5 6-7 7-6
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[Edit on 29th Jan 3:30 pm IST]
(Now I'll try and add set summaries to important matches if I'd be watching them)

1st set 7-6(3) Thiem

Set summary:-

Nadal should have capitalised early in the set when thiem wasn't getting a read on his serve, made some errors at 3-4 to have rafa serve for the set at 5-3 40-30.
Other than that, Thiem was bullying rafa from the baseline. Most of the longer rallies going to the Austrian. Both players playing from behind the baseline like clay court. Nadal needs to stop that, he has to rush Thiem, shorten the points. Because at the moment, thiem is the better mover and more powerful ballstriker.


Set no. 2 Thiem 7-6 (4)

Set summary :-

A slight drop from the high levels shown in the first set by Thiem. In the early stages, he's still struggling to have a read on nadal's serve, especially the wide serves to his BH and FH. Nadal ups his level considerably in terms of ballstriking. After a couple of holds on each sides, 2 double faults from Thiem and 2 excellent FH & BH passing shots from Nadal give Rafa the upper hand, as he breaks and then holds to take the lead 4-2 with thiem serving next game. After another loose BH error at the start of 7th game, Thiem composes himself again and holds to 3-4. In the next service game, after an excellent get by Thiem on a powerful inside out FH from Rafa gets him to 0-30 & then 0-40 on rafa serve; Nadal saves first b.p. by great Serve+FH combo, but gets tense and double faults to give the break back to Thiem. Starting from this game onwards, Thiem has an excellent read on the rafa serve till the end of the set. After 2 more holds from each side, with a set point brilliantly saved by rafa in the 12th game at 5-6 30-40 by FH DTL cracker; the set goes to the tiebreaker with a slight edge to rafa this time in terms of momentum. In the tiebreaker, Thiem strikes early to take a 4-0 lead over rafa, only to make 3 unforced errors and some clutch by rafa to level it at 4-4. With some heavy inside out FHs, Thiem gets to 5-4 with 2 nadal service points coming, but then the Spaniard hits an unnecessary dropper to which thiem sets himself up 2 set points @ 6-4. On the first set point, thiem's return hits the net cord and drops early, to which nadal can't do anything but drop an easy sitter volley to thiem, the Austrian hits an easy inside out FH pass, apologizes straight away and takes the set in a second consecutive tiebreaker by 7 points to 4. Nadal now trails by 2 sets to zero. Can the Spaniard come back from here to demonstrate his fighting spirits once again, for which he's well known in the tennis world? Big question indeed, as we move into the 3rd set with thiem still having problems reading the Rafa serve.

3rd set Rafa 6-4

Set Summary :- Considerable drop off in the hitting quality and accuracy by Thiem from the 2nd set. Rafa - about the same imo. Set starts with Rafa holding his serve easily as Thiem looks even more clueless on the return. Though in the long rallies, thiem still prevails most of the time. Still some easy holds by nadal. In 3rd service game, thiem shows incredible defense as he soaks everything nadal throws at him multiple times to hold his serve. Neither player is able to get a look on each other's serve though. Nadal comes up with an astonishing quick hold in between. Nothing unusual from the first 2 sets in terms of rallying, apart from rafa pressing a bit more on the FH DTL & BH CC. After 8 consecutive holds with no break point for either man, Rafa holds at 4-4 from 0-15 to go up 5-4. Thiem makes some unforced errors and nadal suddenly gets 2 break+set points on 5-4 40-15 thiem serve. 1st set point is saved by Thiem by an excellent serve. On the 2nd set point, rafa wrong foots thiem in the rally, the Austrian nets a BH and boom... Set nadal. With a momentum shift seemingly on the horizon now as we move to the 4th set of this contest. Meanwhile in the 4th set thiem's making unforced errors at a higher rate than first 3 sets as I'm watching it. Can rafa take advantage of Thiem's dip even more? Will he take this to a decider. All answers will unfold in front of us.

4th set :- 7-6 (6) Thiem.

Set Summary :-

As dramatic as it can get. Probably the most dramatic set of this match, though the tennis quality was at its poorest compared to the high standards of this match; but not unexpected as both players had already exhausted each other incredibly throughout the first 3 sets. This 4th set starts with nadal serving first, having claimed the 3rd set 6-4 by breaking the thiem serve at the tail end of the set. As nadal has the momentum, he is confident in his game and holds serve in the 1st game relatively easily. In the 2nd game, thiem makes some unforced errors to go down 15-40 and then 40-ad on his serve; he saves all 3 of those break points with incredible tennis in which was probably the 2nd most important service hold of this match (1st one was in 1st set 5-3 rafa but he blew it). Thiem wasn't getting a good read on rafa serve and if he'd been broken, I think rafa would've crushed the Austrian's soul in 5 sets. Nevertheless, thiem holds and levels the score at 1-1. In the next game, due to some unforced errors by nadal and ultra-level ball hammering by thiem at the right moments, the Austrian gets the break and takes 2-1 lead. From then onwards, a couple of easy holds for Dominic follow the course as nadal is getting bullied by his rival's power. At 4-2, nadal is down 0-30 on his serve and plays 4 extremely clutch points to stay alive in the match & keep the Austrian at just 1 break's lead. In the next game, thiem holds his serve to go 5-3, quickly followed by nadal at 5-4 and the Spaniard now asks the Austrian to hold his nerve and serve to close out the set and match. Thiem gets tight, leaks some weird unforced errors and Nadal breaks back to level the score at 5-5. From then, the tension is visible on court and surprisingly, a couple of easy holds follow to take this match into its 3rd tiebreaker (1st and 2nd were TBs too). In the breaker, Thiem immediately goes up a mini break due to stunning passing shots, but then leaks errors and give rafa the mini break back and a 2-1 advantage with a mini break. Though the Austrian gathers his composure quickly and wins 4 points in a row on nadal's & his serve to go up 5-2. Though being pressurized by Thiem's heavy shots, rafa maintains his composure to win next 2 points and passes the task of serving out the match to thiem. At 5-4, Thiem serves an excellent unreturnable in the corner and sets up 2 match points for himself. Though on the 1st match point, he gets tight again and misses an easy sitter off the FH wing and now its 6-5 thiem with rafa's serve points coming on. The 12th point is an incredible battle between the two as rafa pushes thiem to corner and he hits a lob at the other end of the court, which, upon being challenged by rafa, turns out to be out and now its 6-6 at the court changeover. In the 13th point, rafa's excellent wide serve to the thiem BH draws a short return from the Austrian, which Rafa follows through the net with a Forehand crosscourt shot, on which Thiem rips the passing shot on stretch, which touches the net cord and goes down to the rafa side to set up yet another match point for Thiem. On the match point no. 3, thiem puts in an incredibly nervy 2nd serve, on which, after a rally, Nadal misses an easy Forehand Sitter. Thiem wins the tiebreaker 8-6 and the match 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6.
Over-all, a high quality match.
Is that the best match thread OP guys??
I'm not bragging but I was incredibly involved into this match.
 

Yugram

Legend
@Yugram had an epic meltdown and still curses thiem.
Its so funny
After this match I am 100% sure this Austrian gambler doesn’t deserve to win a Slam. Good that Djokovic took care of him in the final.

Mr. "LeT’s HiT 200 kMh In To ThE nEt On EvErY iMpOrTaNt PoInT aNd MaYbE iT lAnDs On ThE oThEr SiDe"
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
After this match I am 100% sure this Austrian gambler doesn’t deserve to win a Slam. Good that Djokovic took care of him in the final.

Mr. "LeT’s HiT 200 kMh In To ThE nEt On EvErY iMpOrTaNt PoInT aNd MaYbE iT lAnDs On ThE oThEr SiDe"

Thiem doesn't play the good tennis.
 
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