James P
G.O.A.T.
Kind of nuts in an era with young stars like Osaka and Andreescu to contend with that are effectively the same age.
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SeeingDusk
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should be awesome if both play the same way they’ve been playing!!
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
It obviously sounds very crazy lol. To me she has the looks of an all time great though
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Must be the racquet............renamed The Princess, Pink & Black Attack
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NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
In here. I watched when she is smoked by Vika at USO.
Still 19, has the chance to evolve but stiff competition: Osaka, Andreescu, Kenin, Barty and maybe Gauff + Kostyuk.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I can't imagine Swiatek is thinking about playing as long as Williams- at her age someone 40 is probably close to her Mum's age. Really, really, really old.
How depressing
BoxbeamsFTW
Semi-Pro
I think she has the potential to win multiple Slams. Maybe 3 or more in her career. But I think her opposition is still figuring out her weaknesses.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
I think the era of over-inflated Slam titles for just a few is gone.
It might return in a few decades, but I can't see it happen in the short to medium term.
Too many things have to go your way (luck, unwavering determination, very few injuries, long career span, rivalries to keep you on your toes but not overwhelm you, etc) and the tour needs to be organised in a certain way (with an extreme gap between the top player(s) and the rest of the field that needs to be steady for years) for that to happen.
But we'll see.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Serena, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, it must be said, have also benefited from - but also helped to create of their own accord - a very specific era of top players (all ATGs) where it became possible not only to win as a teenager or a very young player (which was common before their era) but also to keep winning into your thirties and even late thirties (something that was very unusual before their era, especially in terms of consistency to keep yourself at the top of the game for all those years). The men, in this case, were helped by their own rivalry to keep winning, whereas Serena was motivated by early rivalries but also by the possibility of chasing records. These conditions may never arise again, both in the men's and the women's game. We may very well have the ability, nowadays, to keep a player fit and relatively injury-free for 20-something years. But, as one poster mentioned, the question is rather "do they even want to dedicate their whole lives to tennis and to chasing records the way these current ATGs did?"
I mean, if you asked me I would rather be Sampras than Serena.
But, of course, this is entirely subjective.
I mean, if you asked me I would rather be Sampras than Serena.
But, of course, this is entirely subjective.
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PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Thanks for this. Most appreciated.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Thanks for posting something having no bearing on reality and how majors have always been considered. ...and yeah, you mentioning male players is smoke and mirrors. Its all about your hatred of Serena, and yes, you wuld not be saying a word if the most successful player at the majors of this century happened to be anyone else.
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flyingboris
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flyingboris
Legend
Ouch, Swiatek ends the first game with one of those unstoppable forehands. It really is something else!
Oh, there's a match thread.
Oh, there's a match thread.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Swiatek's groundstrokes are so crisp, especially on that forehand.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Please don't project intentions on what I say.
I just said what I believe: that in the next few years we probably won't have 15+ major winners.
If you have anything to discuss on that topic, please chime in.
Otherwise your contribution is not very useful.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
What you believe is based on your well-known hang-up / attempt to belittle a player (like another member with the same, specific issues), and certainly not on fact.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
I think it's your hang up and your obsession with persecuting and policing other people's opinions.
I am making an overall point about tennis and you trace it back to Serena: it is your neurosis, not mine.
It is quite the opposite: if I loved and complimented Serena, you would believe it to be a neutral opinion.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You have a history of anti-Serena posts, which you have tied to her as an individual, the event organizers and the sport overall. Do not blame anyone else for so easily seeing your hateful obsession framing your posts. You are not slick, boy.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Updated WTA majors winners since 2010 (not named Serena):
Schiavone: FO - 2010
Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011
Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014
Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
Stosur: USO 2011
Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014
Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013
Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013
Pennetta: USO 2015
Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
Ostapenko: FO 2017
Stephens: USO 2017
Wozniacki: AO 2018
Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019
Barty: FO 2019
Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019
Andreescu: 2019 USO
Kenin: AO 2020
...and now Swiatek: FO 2020.
The WTA is incredibly strong with so many majors-winning talents. Swiatek handled herself well all throughout this French Open, and won every match in convincing fashion. From the looks of her game, she is not seen her final major--and neither has Kenin.
Schiavone: FO - 2010
Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011
Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014
Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
Stosur: USO 2011
Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014
Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013
Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013
Pennetta: USO 2015
Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
Ostapenko: FO 2017
Stephens: USO 2017
Wozniacki: AO 2018
Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019
Barty: FO 2019
Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019
Andreescu: 2019 USO
Kenin: AO 2020
...and now Swiatek: FO 2020.
The WTA is incredibly strong with so many majors-winning talents. Swiatek handled herself well all throughout this French Open, and won every match in convincing fashion. From the looks of her game, she is not seen her final major--and neither has Kenin.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Maybe you should be slicker and perhaps learn that not everyone will agree with your holier than thou, sanctimoniously stated (and defended) opinions.
The slick and mature thing to do when you live in a society or belong to a specific community is to know that you will agree with people on some things and disagree with them on others.
For instance, I do agree with you when it comes to defending the Grand Slam as the highest achievement in the game.
But you won't have it, because you literally see the world in black and white, and your understanding of community is based on the notions of in-group and anathema: those who agree with you vs. those who don't on ONE issue that underlies everything.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Iga Swiatek the 2020 Roland Garros champion.
Dominant run, didn’t drop a set, didn’t lose more than 5 games a match. 6 breadsticks in 7 matches.
Dominant run, didn’t drop a set, didn’t lose more than 5 games a match. 6 breadsticks in 7 matches.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Too much explaining. Ever the sign of guilt. Again, You have a history of anti-Serena posts--there's no denying it--which you have tied to her as an individual, the event organizers and the sport overall. No need to wonder why. You have a well-known calling card. If you do not want anyone to point that out, you would exercise some self control and let it go. You cannot, so here you are.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
It's just an incredible run, outta nowhere. A true fairy tale.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Ok, Mr. Policeman.
Have the last word, I'm fine with it.
You bore me to tears.
(Also, too much explaining and profiling of another member)
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
^ Taken from The Message Board Tactics Book, circa 1996.
But not enough to post several nonsensical defenses and attacks. No too sharp, boy.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Becker nearly did likewise at 17. Had only won Queens (just before Wimbledon) when he won W as an unseeded player in 1985.
AM75
Hall of Fame
Ostapenko did the same only 3 years ago
elkwood
Hall of Fame
Playing lights out Tennis
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Where is dolgopolov?
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Wish I had the faintest idea.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
The WTA has been stronger than the ATP for a very long time; the WAT has not relied on one...or three players to keep it alive by dominating two generations of talentless losers. The women's side is thriving with talent who actually do their job and win majors. The ATP? It needed Djokovic to be unfairly disqualified from the 2020 US Open for someone new to win, when that was never going to happen if Djokovic remained in the event. That's how bad the ATP is.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
Or maybe having to beat 2/3 of the Big 3 to win a major is a significantly more difficult task. There’s no WTA equivalent of beating Nadal on Clay, Fed on Grass or Djokovic on Hard. Serena during her prime is the only thing that comes kinda close.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Is it? Other generations have had players strp up to challege, then defeat older, majors-winning players. That's how the majors are taken over, but the ATP has suffered from two generations of talentless hacks supported by three players the majority of the time, and that's a tour in freefall.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
Yes. The difference between defeating great players who won a couple majors like Safin or Hewitt & defeating the 3 greatest players of all time are not comparable tasks. For the past 15 yrs, in order to win a slam most of the time, you’d have to beat the greatest player to ever play on that surface. Fed @ Wimby. Nadal @ RG. Joker @ AO. Fed/Joker/Nadal @ US Open. And if you managed to pull it off, you’d then need to beat another member of the Big 3 in order to lift the trophy.
I like the WTA but there hasn’t been anything comparable to the Big 3 on the women’s side.
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FakeEmpire
Professional
I suppose this is as good a place as any to ask... Looking at the WTA site, I'm under the impression that the only 2 remaining tournaments this year are Linz and Limoges. Can anybody confirm that?
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Swiatek would have beaten any girl on the tour in the same fashion she beat Kenin. Just as she did everybody else she played this tournament...including great clay courter Halep
AM75
Hall of Fame
Fedinkum
Legend
That is the take away of this match. There are a number good WTA young players that are very enjoyable to watch and playIng great tennis.
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Well next year may be a different story if she doesn’t maintain it. But THIS tournament, she was on fire from start to finish
Nostradamus
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