MrFancypants
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I figure most of us have hit a ball in anger. This did not look like that.
2020 US Open General Discussion (ATP)
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I figure most of us have hit a ball in anger. This did not look like that.
Carax
Hall of Fame
That makes a lot of sense. Bedene hit the cameraman during the Western and Southern Open.Last week at the US Open?
I was reading the article about Novak's default on ESPN and it said:
" 'In accordance with the Grand Slam rulebook, following his actions of intentionally hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with negligent disregard of the consequences, the U.S. Open tournament referee defaulted Novak Djokovic from the 2020 U.S. Open,' the U.S. Tennis Association announced."
Djokovic out of US Open after ball hits line judge
Novak Djokovic defaulted from his fourth-round match at the US Open after a ball he hit in anger struck a line judge.www.espn.com
So, in addition to USTA and ATP rules, there are Grand Slam/ITF rules. So, if Bedene did it at the tournament before the USO, maybe that's why. If it was at the USO, I don't know.
James P
G.O.A.T.
Travaglia, Gerasimov, Kukushkin, a murderer's row
MrFancypants
New User
Seems excessive.
So how many balls are hit "recklessly" according to that definition in a typical match?
BlueB
Legend
Oh yeah, best comeback - I'd love Coric to take it too!
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fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
A lot of randoms made it this far. Never heard of Zverev's opponent before today.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
A lot, but most don't hit lines people which is the reason he was defaulted.
I get the argument that it's "excessive" but it's the rules. We can complain and nit pick, but they did it by the book.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Now that Djokovic out.
My fave to win:
Medvedev
Auger-Aliassime
Zverev
Tiafoe
My fave to win:
Medvedev
Auger-Aliassime
Zverev
Tiafoe
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Thompson is even worse than Johnson.
cucio
Legend
Exactly. Edberg's case was a freak accident, a one in a billion chance, but during match play everyone on the court knows balls are flying fast and knows to be prepared. In that situation the player can't be blamed, unless they clearly hit the ball on purpose towards someone.
But outside match play people relax and players shouldn't be hitting towards the back as hard and high as Nole did. It's a sensible rule: even if serious harm is extremely unlikely, no one likes being smacked in the face by a ball when not paying attention. Maybe the punishment assigned on the rule book could be milder, but every professional should be aware of this and be mindful of other people on the court.
Forget about points and money, the real loss for Novak is missing a clear shot at another slam, maybe two. Our loss, too. Things are already bleak, losing the #1 for the competition sucks.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Let's see how pedantic Goffin is today, @TearTheRoofOff
mike danny
Bionic Poster
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Please find smaller image next time.
Tennis_dude101
Professional
Thompson seems to be a bit out of his depth....Will have to do it in 5 sets now...
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Problem with TTW is on mobile all images look properly sized, on desktop/computer they're sometimes huge.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
MrFancypants
New User
Serious question, if they roll a ball back and don’t look where it’s going and it taps a shoe is that reckless? Is DQ by the book?
This was not intentional. This was mostly peaceful.
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TheNachoMan
Guest
1 win at the USO too3-1
Latetothegame
Semi-Pro
Please be serious
I appreciate it’s frustrating.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
The rules may not have been the same. Even if they were, Edberg was never a candidate for disqualification under these today's rules. The linesman was hit by an Edberg serve or overhead - an actual tennis shot from the point - thus not reckless at all. Edberg was not swatting a ball away in anger. Think of all the times we see linespeople duck a serve by turning their head one way or the other. Basically this linesperson didn't see it coming or couldn't move in time. It was not a Shapovalov or Djokovic situation.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Agree. The important factor here that did Djokovic in was reckless behavior, more important than the issue of intention. That should get more emphasis.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Brad & Darren are weirdly fired up about that Coric win
MrFancypants
New User
what’s not serious about that? You hit a ball backward in the course of play. if you can perform an action that occurs during the course of regular play, and you can perform that action with no malice, at what point is it reckless?
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TheNachoMan
Guest
Looks like Borna will be well rested for his battle with Zod. No crazy five setter this time
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Goffin gatekeeping NextGen like the good Lost Gen lad that he is
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Good. It’s sad that there’s nobody fired up with the PCB win.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Anger management in tennis is a serious thing.
Mkiske
Semi-Pro
I totally agree.
Something always happens in Flushing Meadows with Novak. Now it's cool off, reflect, change and then think about clay.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Entering 2021, Novak‘s number of USO trophies will seem insufficient for him as the dominant hardcourt player of his era.
Meles
Bionic Poster
I can see why they flipped Mad weed with tim(mighty show/foe primetime), but probably enhances their opponents' chances.
EllieK
Hall of Fame
Yes he has
Some of these comparisons are stretching so far to try to find some inconsistency.
As you said, Edberg's was *in play*.The rule isn't just that "intent" doesn't matter, it's that players are not supposed to recklessly disregard safety. No one ever accused Edberg of that.
The Federer clip someone posted - again, that is something that is *not* reckless and that is done all the time. Ball comes back, redirect it to a ballboy. 99.99% of the time, the ballboy puts a hand up, catches it, a few fans applaud the seamlessness of it. It was not reckless.
It feels like some people are pedantically trying to find some similarity between two wildly dissimilar circumstances.
The rule is pretty simple and it's for a simple reason. You shouldn't just knock the ball around recklessly because you could accidentally hit and injure someone. Just like Djokovic did.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
King_ Zeglan12
Professional
That was one GOAT challenge from PCB triple SP down
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
D-Lite
Hall of Fame
That's like an ITF draw!
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TheNachoMan
Guest
Shapo will win this whole thing knowing my luck
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Shapo will win this whole thing knowing my luck
That is the correct decision.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
WOW,,, why is nobody talking about Berrentini and Rublev. both of these guys are extremely dangerous and can beat anyone left in the draw. Especially Berrentini was very close last year, and could have won last year.
D-Lite
Hall of Fame
I think Berrettini will take it in 4 sets - he has some huge weapons. Rublev was playing well before the lockdown, and he will be Matteo's first big test, and likewise Matteo will be his, but I think Berrettini is primed for a bigger result this USO.
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