2020 Vienna open ATP 500 R16 :- (1) Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s Borna Coric (CRO)

[TheAssassin]

Djokovic spraying too much in the last two return games. Just when it looked like he played himself into form.

 

[zuluzazu]

Fed and Pancho are Gods while Djoko is a mug.

What about the Spencer?

 

[Deleted member 748597]

What about the Spencer?

Fed's greatest rival in the stronk era.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Well, if you are suggesting that Federer choked every single match against Nadal in his prime, then he’s the mentally weakest ATG of all time.

might be. What it tells us then that he pushed Djokodal hard past his peak then prime, losing mostly for being consistently unclutch on key points? It tells us that Fred has access to a higher peak, which in conjunction with his overall higher prime consistency means he reached greater overall heights and has better technical talent/abilities while Djokodal get their wins by exercising their mental and later also physical (age) superiority. Sad!

 

[TheAssassin]

What stunning gets!

 

[RF-18]

HOLY peakest defence of all time

 

[BackhandDTL]

might be. What it tells us then that he pushed Djokodal hard past his peak then prime, losing mostly for being consistently unclutch on key points? It tells us that Fred has access to a higher peak, which in conjunction with his overall higher prime consistency means he reached greater overall heights and has better technical talent/abilities while Djokodal get their wins by exercising their mental and later also physical (age) superiority. Sad!

All of that is a stretch. You can dissect tennis into peak, talent, mental strength, athleticism, grit, etc to come up with excuses....

but ultimately they are all crucial parts of the game so this is an exercise in futility.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

LOLLL Ok. Fed has never lost a match. He has only gift wrapped matches for his rivals. He is the GOAT of gift wrapping. Why is so tough for fed fans to see the truth that prime vs prime Nadal always had the upper hand in most of their matches except at WTF. According to Fed fans Fed has always won or gift wrapped matches to other players. How can you write this with a straight face???

Silly exaggeration. What's true is that all of his five-set losses (except the two he lost on fitness) were chokes he should have won

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

1/5 on BP's....pathetic

 

[BrokenGears]

Ah yes, the mythical power of forcing unforced errors.
hint: you draw errors by hitting balls with uncomfortable depth (very deep / very short) or spin (very high / very low [slice]). Solid neutral rallying at 2/3 depth ending in a wild miss = sukk.

As I said, this isn't something that should be hard to comprehend. You've tried to make doing so determinant in binary terms when tennis in reality, tennis doesn't work that way. Even with your example, Djokovic is significantly better at the neutral rallies which will of course, more often than not lead to the opponent missing before he does.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Fed's greatest rival in the stronk era.

Hey give Fed some credit. He’s the GBBOAT

Greatest Bagdhatis Beater of all time. Credit where credit is due.

 

[zuluzazu]

Silly exaggeration. What's true is that all of his five-set losses (except the two he lost on fitness) were chokes he should have won

Please W2008 he should have never won. That would have been the death of tennis where the worse player would have won.

 

[TheAssassin]

Credit to Coric, he still keeps finding the baseline.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

All of that is a stretch. You can dissect tennis into peak, talent, mental strength, athleticism, grit, etc to come up with excuses....

but ultimately they are all crucial parts of the game so this is an exercise in futility.

Racquet skills/talent is the aesthetically and ethically superior part though. Being more skilled than your opponents makes you morally greater even if you should lose for other, ugly reasons.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Can Novak inflate 7th YE #1?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Please W2008 he should have never won. That would have been the death of tennis where the worse player would have won.

Federer had a higher RPW figure despite all the muggery. He was the better player made fewer breaks because of BP chokeitis

 

[BackhandDTL]

Racquet skills/talent is the aesthetically and ethically superior part though. Being more skilled than your opponents makes you morally greater even if you should lose for other, ugly reasons.

All of that is subjectivity and delusion. Bottom line is 4-10, 16-24. 10-21 against Djokodal in slams.

Results matter. not whether you can play tennis like a ballerina.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Done YE#1 secured!

 

[Deleted member 748597]

YESSS

 

[TheAssassin]

Your 2020 World Number 1.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Another inflation YE #1

Without sinner tennis would be in a dire spot.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

BOAT.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

All of that is subjectivity and delusion. Bottom line is 4-10, 16-24. 10-21 against Djokodal in slams.

Results matter. not whether you can play tennis like a ballerina.

It is the moral truth and you're a flawed heathen for not recognising it.

The ballet comparison is so off-base btw, whoever even came up with it lolz. Skillful tennis is rather like watching a master painter paint a masterpiece with his trusty brush (racquet).

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

As I said, this isn't something that should be hard to comprehend. You've tried to make doing so determinant in binary terms when tennis in reality, tennis doesn't work that way. Even with your example, Djokovic is significantly better at the neutral rallies which will of course, more often than not lead to the opponent missing before he does.

That's the point! For PETE's sake, don't play safe and hope Noel misses, you mugs. He's a better defender than you so you gotta attack and risk it. If you miss by an inch, it's okay, you'd have lost playing safely anyway. If you make it but he comes up with even better shots, say too good and keep trying. You still have a better chance to make the shots and force errors and win being daring and going for it, than being cautious and playing safely.

 

[JadeC]

6 YE #1!

I'm so glad he took a WC in Vienna. He can now play more freely and not have to think about it. Less stress for Novak fans watching the WTF too.

 

[BrokenGears]

That's the point! For PETE's sake, don't play safe and hope Noel misses, you mugs. He's a better defender than you so you gotta attack and risk it. If you miss by an inch, it's okay, you'd have lost playing safely anyway. If you make it but he comes up with even better shots, say too good and keep trying. You still have a better chance to make the shots and force errors and win being daring and going for it, than being cautious and playing safely.

Yes, but this says a lot about Novak's proficiency behind the baseline. There a few players who can do what you're suggesting which is a testament to Djokovic's inherent strength and why it's a little hard for me to understand the complaints about people choking against Novak and missing neutral rallies. It comes with the territory.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yes, but this says a lot about Novak's proficiency behind the baseline. There a few players who can do what you're suggesting which is a testament to Djokovic's inherent strength and why it's a little hard for me to understand the complaints about people choking against Novak and missing neutral rallies. It comes with the territory.

As I said, they should never be content to trade neutral rallies in the first place. Facing better baseliners, opponents should be looking for opportunities to attack rather than play meek and fearful as if waiting for something to happen; you'll miss, that's what'll happen. And that's what Coric was in fact doing up to that point, which is why he got so close to taking the set - but just couldn't dare hit with authority on set points. A clear-cut example of mental frailty.

 

[3fees]

Congrats to Djokovic blnt Coric 76(11) 63 after 1set TB Coric was finnish

Cheers
3Fees

 

[mike danny]

I agree W08 was chokery by Nadal. Getting stretched to 5 sets from 2 sets to love up is chokery. But all is well that ends well

Fed should have won the 2nd set, so I don't know where this is coming from.

 

[RS]

Yeah man, remember 2009 Wimbledon final, the tiebreak, the volley. Who cares how well Roddick played up to that point if a momentary shaky blip undid all his effort in that set? Not many indeed. No use playing at 9000% when you switch to 10% at the precipice of winning.

Many indeed.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Many indeed.

Not really. The big point is that Dickrod didn't let that choke wreck him but kept fighting hard to the very end.

 

[Winners or Errors]

13-11. Clutch. Got to admit, Djoker always seems to be on the winning end of these sort of close sets and matches. He has a lot of faith in himself.

 

[Rovesciarete]

I would add that being the (far) better player helps a lot. Still there is more to it and his 85%+ of tie brakes won is an absolut monster stat, far ahead of anybody. Good sample size too

 

[RS]

Not really. The big point is that Dickrod didn't let that choke wreck him but kept fighting hard to the very end.

It gets rated very highly on peak buy non troll posters..l,.

 

[SeeingDusk]

Why does everyone choke against djokovic when they have the upper hand? Kraij, coric