2021 Antwerp R1: Frances Tiafoe vs. (WC) Andy Murray

ark_28

Legend
His level of play this year and more specifically after Wimbledon.

The USO was a high quality 1st round loss against a top 5 player, if he played that match a year ago he woulda lost in 3 and gotten bageled in the process.

Beat a pretty on fire Alacaraz in Indian Wells last week.

He's also not falling off a cliff physically when going past 2 sets which was not the case before this year. He just seems way more gritty and more like his older self.
I don’t think the Alcaraz he faced was on fire! He was great at the US open but very erratic v Murray.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Epic but Pyrrhiziah will be mushziah vs Dark Helmet 2R. Reminds me of the night match at Washington vs Copil. Muzz gave a walkover after that escape IIRC.
 

BGod

Legend
What a match.

How many Wildcards is the ATP going to grant for Murray?

This is like the 5th one. Enough is enough.

Tiafoe in 3 sets
Not up to the ATP, up to the individual tournaments.

And honestly, Murray seems to be a pretty good use of wildcards. He's both a big name that draws in far more crowds than some random local boy, AND he's playing well and winning matches. He's 11-9 at the ATP level this year when he gets wildcards, if I'm counting right.
This is his 9th WC of the season and he's 9-8 in the previous 8 tournaments. That's to answer the question, I have no serious problem with him getting wild cards into tournaments. He's effectively a long term protected rankings case, in my personal view.
I think the ATP should revisit the WC criteria across the board to distinguish players who never achieved anything from those who had. They shouldn't expect top players who have won multiple big titles to go back to square one and start having to qualify for tournaments they've won several times simply because they were unfortunate enough to have a long term injury. That's effectively punishing them for being injured.

How many people would begrudge Del Potro unlimited WCs should he come back to the tour?
I think WCs were designed pretty well exactly for the reason they are used, to put lower ranked players in due to marketing or perceived quality play not reflective of ranking due to injury, surface, etc.

In cases such as Andy Murray, Wawrinka, Delpo or possibly in the near future for Federer or Nadal it's downright good business to WC them in.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Context for that one.

Eddie has been told Ukraine or nowhere for the rematch. It's about time the road warrior gets to defend his titles at home. Eddie will then shift his focus to Joshua vs Ruiz part 3.
Isn't Joshua pretty much finished if he loses the re-match?

I mean where does he go from there? He's not in his early twenties anymore.
 

D-Lite

Professional
Some highlights for anyone who didn't catch the match (not the best, but something nonetheless):


Really happy with this one for Murray. For him to get the W over someone he recently lost to, and win a BO3 vs a much younger player - that's really promising. 2R vs Schwartzman may be a little much after nearly 4h on court, but I suppose stranger things have occurred.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Praise be.

Isn't Joshua pretty much finished if he loses the re-match?

I mean where does he go from there? He's not in his early twenties anymore.
Yeah, it's hard to see where he fits in at the top if he loses the rematch. I keep hearing things about Joshua using his size in the rematch. I think that spells disaster but you never know.
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
Tiafoe is one of the gentlemen on tour, he's not a self absorbed egotist like other top players who are around his age.

As for Murray, I love his fight and never say die attitude on court. I criticised him for taking up places in the main tour recently, I was wrong.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Tiafoe is a class act. Great charisma.

I loved him flashing a smile at Murray after those two aces - Murray responded too with his own grin.
Muzziah always inspires his opponents to flash their signs of approval in defeat. Here is the ending of a match with Tommy Can You Hear Me Robredo that matched the quality and drama of today’s contest but it was a 500 final that Muzz pulled off by winning the second and third sets in TBs. Stick around to the end for the high flying two barrel avian salute from Tommy:

 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
LOL 4 hrs to eventually Muzzle the Foe proves he is the best Hacker ever.
Typical match of such contrasting styles whereTiafoe looks for the great shot,
while Muzzler just wears him down with one more back in his face.
For today's have it all youngsters though, take heed that Muzzlers team spent
years developing his body and stamina just for this kind of longevity on tour.

Tiafoe is too nice, he needs to a little more cut throat for his game than
the showman the crowd enjoys. His time on the Latin clay swing has
been the best choice for his consistency. Wayne Ferreira seems to be
taking it step by step to improve his focus in points for now, but will take
longer to change Foe being easily distracted quite and absent minded.

Im actually seeing Muzzler vs Brooksby to be the ultimate test while
Diego the perfect fortifying extra tune up practice he needs.
No way watching Diego match likely will be another Djorray AO final.
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I think WCs were designed pretty well exactly for the reason they are used, to put lower ranked players in due to marketing or perceived quality play not reflective of ranking due to injury, surface, etc.

In cases such as Andy Murray, Wawrinka, Delpo or possibly in the near future for Federer or Nadal it's downright good business to WC them in.
Then they need to have a more nuanced approach to the protected ranking system. It's iniquitous to expect players who had been at the top of the game for years, sometimes decades to have to go back to square one if the period currently stipulated is not enough for them to regain their pre injury form.

I am not saying this as a Nadal fan, because despite the number of times he has been sidelined with injury for a considrable length of thim, he has never needed to use his protected ranking to qualify for tournaments.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Tiafoe is one of the gentlemen on tour, he's not a self absorbed egotist like other top players who are around his age.

As for Murray, I love his fight and never say die attitude on court. I criticised him for taking up places in the main tour recently, I was wrong.
When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. You looked wonderful out there, Andy.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
This was easily the most exciting match of the YEAR by far. Did not think it would be a best of 3 non grand slam match, but this was epic.
it really was a great match. I had to step away in the second set and made it back halfway through the tiebreak. Fantastic fun to watch. Sad that someone had to lose it.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Full days rest is handy for Andy, like I said will go past SchartzGnome
a perfect opponent for a further tune up like playing a human ball machine
and will get to play the American version of himself, Brooksbeast
for the ultimate Trollfest Battle Royale. Its happening they will meet!!
 
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