2021 ATP 1000 Paris Masters R2: [8] Jannik Sinner (ITA) vs Carlos Alcaraz (ESP)

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Rovesciarete

Rovesciarete

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It's not yet over as Carlos suffers generally quite some breaks.

I agree that Sinner should let his positive emotions flow more. His Net game is today supbar although Carlos is smart and quick.

Highly interesting match, will be remembered for quite some time.
 
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Hawaiian grip said:
His net game is all kinds of terrible to be honest. He nets routine volleys left and right.

He's still really young though, lot of time to improve and he's damn good at what he does.
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Sure, he is a great talent and its true that the things that he misses normally get better with age , look at djokovic, but right now, varied he is not
 
Baseline_Bungle

Baseline_Bungle

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Rovesciarete said:
As I have written before Carlos is the more complete, mature player with a better understanding of the game.

The Sinner has the bigger if somewhat shaky serve and heavier shots.
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Mah... you know how much I love Sinner, and I'm still convinced he'll be one of the top dogs for years to come. But honestly the other one seems better in every respect, including the serve.
 
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Slicehand

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One thing carlos really has to improve are his challenges
 
fundrazer

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So on the topic of serve + 1, who do you guys think is at an elite level? I have a hard time thinking of someone tbh. Shapo comes to mind but he's obviously in a bit of a funk right now.
 
Aabye5

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fundrazer said:
So on the topic of serve + 1, who do you guys think is at an elite level? I have a hard time thinking of someone tbh. Shapo comes to mind but he's obviously in a bit of a funk right now.
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Zod...when he gets his serve in. Did I see something about Medvedev's serve + 1, recently? I think Fritz is decent...
 
aldeayeah

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fundrazer said:
So on the topic of serve + 1, who do you guys think is at an elite level? I have a hard time thinking of someone tbh. Shapo comes to mind but he's obviously in a bit of a funk right now.
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Nadal, obviously. Oldal is all about the serve plus one.

Djokovic is more "serve" than "plus one" these days but he does well.

Matteo
 
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Kralingen

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fundrazer said:
So on the topic of serve + 1, who do you guys think is at an elite level? I have a hard time thinking of someone tbh. Shapo comes to mind but he's obviously in a bit of a funk right now.
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Well obviously Federer is the gold standard for this play, perhaps the greatest ever in terms of groundstrokes (Pete&Edberg probably better overall but they volleyed usually)

Nadal is also very very good at this shot post-2017 or so.

of the NextGen:
tsitsipas especially on clay stands out
Ruud is quite good
Medvedev has improved his
Hurkacz, Humbert, and Harris are also very good in terms of lower level players.
 
Picmun

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krmr said:
i hate this camera angle
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Baseline_Bungle

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Kralingen said:
He seriously struggles when he has to hit a shot from in front of the baseline.
Then again, so does the current US Open champion, so…
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He hits hard but struggles to finish off points. That's why it'd be soo important for someone like him to be able to come in and get some easy ones at the net. But those of us who've followed him all along know that's been a mess since the very start. In fact, as an unknown 17 year old he was MUCH more inclined to come in, but countless blunders - many in huge moments - over the past 2 1/2 years have made him somewhat shell-shocked. And that aspect of his game seems to have actually regressed over time.
 
Aabye5

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Kralingen said:
Well obviously Federer is the gold standard for this play, perhaps the greatest ever in terms of groundstrokes (Pete&Edberg probably better overall but they volleyed usually)

Nadal is also very very good at this shot post-2017 or so.

of the NextGen:
tsitsipas especially on clay stands out
Ruud is quite good
Medvedev has improved his
Hurkacz, Humbert, and Harris are also very good in terms of lower level players.
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And this year, Mr. Nole is also in the elite league. Stellar on serve + 1.
 
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Kralingen

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Aabye5 said:
And this year, Mr. Nole is also in the elite league. Stellar on serve + 1.
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I almost think of his as a serve +2 or 3, I know it sounds weird, but many of his points aren’t won directly on the +1 but on the 3rd or 4th shot after running his opponent from side to side.

Novak has always been a versatile ball striker though including from in the forecourt (overheads aside) - I think the whole baseline bot moniker with him is inaccurate.
 
aldeayeah

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It seems more and more players are becoming apt to hitting deep down the middle in neutral/defensive positions.
 
happyandbob

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Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
For me Carlos plays with the best aspects of both Federer and Nadal; Sinner plays like Federer but not Nadal. At least that is my take on it. Obviously I prefer Carlos, he's my new favorite player while Rafa is away.
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I’m an Alcaraz fan and I like Sinner too but that’s just crazy talk :D

sinner was 4/14 on net points in the first set. I think that alone disqualifies him from ever being mentioned in a discussion involving Federer.
 
Sysyphus

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Alcaraz sure is a deal more physically developed for his age than the lanky Jannik.

But does that mean that he is more an early bloomer and Jannik will catch up, or is he simply more gifted in this respect and always will be? I do not know.
 
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Kralingen

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Sinner has to be laughing whenever he gets a 2nd serve to hit. Those are probably the easiest shots he gets to attack all match (stealing this trope from Murray matches)
 
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Slicehand

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Sysyphus said:
Alcaraz sure is a deal more physically developed for his age than the lanky Jannik.

But does that mean that he is more an early bloomer and Jannik will catch up, or is he simply more gifted in this respect and always will be? I do not know.
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Physical aspect is not the biggest difference between their games tbh, they have different play styles, but for sure alcaraz i very good very early, when they get to be a finished product we will see nicer things
 
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Kralingen

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Sysyphus said:
Alcaraz sure is a deal more physically developed for his age than the lanky Jannik.

But does that mean that he is more an early bloomer and Jannik will catch up, or is he simply more gifted in this respect and always will be? I do not know.
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He’ll almost certainly be always more athletically gifted. Alcaraz has rare speed and a unique balance and ability to produce power on the stretch.

However Sinner has the advantage of being 6’5” and having those pogo stick arms as levers for his serve. He could develop a legitimately dominant Medvedev/Zverev level first serve if he achieves his potential there. Alcaraz will never have that luxury.
 
aldeayeah

aldeayeah

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Things getting close in the business end of the second, but Carlos is in real risk of running out of gas IMO

If I were a betting man I'd put some quid on Jannik immediately as soon as Alcaraz looks close to losing the 2nd
 
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